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Old May 4, 2020 | 05:29 PM
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Unhappy Mercedes Stealership? or truthful? or bloating

Good everyone,

Hoping someone can post a clear and concise valid picture of the book time for replacing out the command knob (part # 212-870-28-51)

I'm trying to see why (even at $195 an hour) why it took them 2.5 hours to perform - if that is what it shows as true book time.
and also if not too much - the same book time for the belt tensioner replacement too (#272-200-02-07)

I know i can swap these part in less than 30 mins - and that's goofing around...
(While I had this done under my warranty - but i'm getting the close to my limit of liability and feel the dealer is chewing through it -even if I semi got my monies worth)

Thanks in advance!
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Old May 5, 2020 | 08:05 AM
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It is going to depend on what "book time" you are looking at. There is a warranty book and there is Motors or Chilton which many dealers use for customer pay work. If the repair was done under warranty, I can guarantee you the job was worth the time. If in fact you can do the jobs consistently in 20% of warranty time, you might consider a career change. You could make Heart Surgeon money working as a Mercedes tech!
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Old May 5, 2020 | 04:46 PM
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Bear in mind the time has to include giving you "courtesy inspection", stuffing donuts, refilling cappuccino machine and washing your car, not even saying about shuttle and potential loaner.
But heck, this is democracy. You don't like it >>> vote with your feet.
That's what I do and since most of manufacturers still try to put a gun against my head, I registered at https://repair.org/stand-up
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Old May 5, 2020 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JALLEN4
It is going to depend on what "book time" you are looking at. There is a warranty book and there is Motors or Chilton which many dealers use for customer pay work. If the repair was done under warranty, I can guarantee you the job was worth the time. If in fact you can do the jobs consistently in 20% of warranty time, you might consider a career change. You could make Heart Surgeon money working as a Mercedes tech!
MBUSA uses their own labor guide. Warranty work pays book time, customer pay work is 1.5x book time. I don't have access to the labor guide, but I don't doubt those times. A good technician can always find labor codes to help pad that warranty time ticket, especially if they have a good service writer on their side. As far as "beating the time" a good tech should flag at least 50% more than the job actually takes(ie- a 1.5 hr warranty pay job should only take an hour or less to complete), that's how a good tech makes money. 60+ billable hours in less than 40hrs worked
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Originally Posted by nota_amg
MBUSA uses their own labor guide. Warranty work pays book time, customer pay work is 1.5x book time. I don't have access to the labor guide, but I don't doubt those times. A good technician can always find labor codes to help pad that warranty time ticket, especially if they have a good service writer on their side. As far as "beating the time" a good tech should flag at least 50% more than the job actually takes(ie- a 1.5 hr warranty pay job should only take an hour or less to complete), that's how a good tech makes money. 60+ billable hours in less than 40hrs worked
I am a little familiar with the service process. I was a Parts and Service Director for a few years and then owned new car dealerships for several decades. While what you say has some resemblance to truth, damn few techs are consistently turning 150% on warranty work. All that creative booking catches up with the store extremely quickly. Very few folks understand just how much knowledge and understanding the manufacturers have when it comes to paying warranty.
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MBUSA uses their own labor guide. Warranty work pays book time, customer pay work is 1.5x book time. I don't have access to the labor guide, but I don't doubt those times. A good technician can always find labor codes to help pad that warranty time ticket, especially if they have a good service writer on their side. As far as "beating the time" a good tech should flag at least 50% more than the job actually takes(ie- a 1.5 hr warranty pay job should only take an hour or less to complete), that's how a good tech makes money. 60+ billable hours in less than 40hrs worked
I believe you can figure it out in the ASRA guide. It's usually part of the EPC/WIS which is the parts catalog and repair manual you can pick up on ebay for under $10. Never really used it and haven't been able to figure it out yet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Latest-2019-Mercedes-WIS-ASRA-EPC-Service-Repair-Workshop-Manual-Full-version/223950589741
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