The little "E" Class that couldn't!
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But you are bad- mouthing the E300. You ( and others) keep repeating your claim that it is under- powered. As compared to what? Certainly not the W212 E350. Whether on city streets or the freeway at 75 - 85 mph that simply isn't true for the vast majority of drivers.
Yours want something faster. That's cool, but don't take it out on the E300.
Yours want something faster. That's cool, but don't take it out on the E300.
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The E300 is under powered compared to my '15 W212 E400 with its basic 3 liter v6 engine (not the tuned E43 version). Sure a majority of drivers are happy with low end performance, but there is also a huge mid-performance group of drivers that Mercedes has abandoned with the current W213 product line.
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The Mercedes E Class product line gap may permanently eradicate many of its loyal customers. I've bought about 50 Mercedes since 1959. While I and many others such a NGerstman are forced to buy another brand to fill the gap, Mercedes risks losing us permanently. I will wait until the 2018 models arrive this summer before buying my next batch of cars. Right now I'm leaning heavily toward the 2018 BMW 5 Series models arriving in August 2016.
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if you read my posts, I have not bashed the e300, I have been generally complimentary of its many virtues. as you pointed out I have been more upset and frustrated by Mercedes not having a regular six upgrade, that's all. This is after all a discussion forum so we discuss. I recently retired so I need stuff to fill my day so get used to it, time is on my side, I most likely have more time to kill than you do! Maybe more so than the lack of regular six offering was the fact that I couldn't get a better deal on an e43 in a money grab by Mercedes and the dealerships, saying that it is a special amg when it really isn't and is a basic production vehicle. Nothing off after being a customer for almost 30 years, I'm pissed and expressing my thoughts. Anyway enjoy the e300, I know it's a great car but also don't tell me you wouldn't be happier with a nice three liter turbo six with 330hp. Regards. Ned.
Just trying to point out how your posts are coming across to me (and I suspect others as well).
You are welcome to express your comments but it has become very repetitive. After owning the car for 10 days, the power is just fine and the technology and innovative interior makes it a winner.
I too like fast cars. Grew up with Mopar and GM muscle cars. Drove competitively with a RX-7, and for more than 20 years drive Carreras. I appreciate fast cars but more than that, I appreciate a well packaged, designed E300.
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Just trying to point out how your posts are coming across to me (and I suspect others as well).
You are welcome to express your comments but it has become very repetitive. After owning the car for 10 days, the power is just fine and the technology and innovative interior makes it a winner.
I too like fast cars. Grew up with Mopar and GM muscle cars. Drove competitively with a RX-7, and for more than 20 years drive Carreras. I appreciate fast cars but more than that, I appreciate a well packaged, designed E300.
You are welcome to express your comments but it has become very repetitive. After owning the car for 10 days, the power is just fine and the technology and innovative interior makes it a winner.
I too like fast cars. Grew up with Mopar and GM muscle cars. Drove competitively with a RX-7, and for more than 20 years drive Carreras. I appreciate fast cars but more than that, I appreciate a well packaged, designed E300.
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The E300 is under powered compared to my '15 W212 E400 with its basic 3 liter v6 engine (not the tuned E43 version). Sure a majority of drivers are happy with low end performance, but there is also a huge mid-performance group of drivers that Mercedes has abandoned with the current W213 product line.
Personally, I would have looked at a 6cyl if it had been available, but it wasn't and I didn't want to wait. I wouldn't pay the premium for an E43 no matter what. Just not my driving style anymore. More power to those who want that level of performance and can make an agreeable deal with their local dealer. But, again, it has nothing to do directly with the E300. However, rumor has it that a new, mid-performance as you call it, I6 is coming. I just wonder how that will affect 4cyl sales given that car manufacturers are under huge pressure worldwide to reduce emissions and consumption.
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The Audi and BMW have base fours but both offer a six option at a reasonable cost as upgrade without the need to buy ton of other stuff like Mercedes has done with the e43. If one needs a car now and want a six in e class size, Mercedes has no basic option. Regards. Ned.
Not so much you Ned, but if you strolled into many of these threads without knowing some facts, you'd come away thinking the E300 was it for the w213 line according to some opinions here.
This is a typical new model roll out plan. Nothing new.
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complain once...youre an unhappy consumer.
complain again, and again....and again. youre a whiner.
move along. MB will not lose sleep if you dont patronize them. youre probably the only ones losing sleep over it. i think all members here knows you dont like the E300 from the minute they opened this sub-forum. you should be over that by now. its just getting old. its ok fellas, life goes on...
complain again, and again....and again. youre a whiner.
move along. MB will not lose sleep if you dont patronize them. youre probably the only ones losing sleep over it. i think all members here knows you dont like the E300 from the minute they opened this sub-forum. you should be over that by now. its just getting old. its ok fellas, life goes on...
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Well, besides CAFE staring everyone in the face, a strictly 4-banger E300 makes all those coupes, convertibles and the aging CLS line positive bargains. (Just in case one wonders what MB was thinking)
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The government fuel standards will impose more and more restrictions on the volume and types of vehicles that can be produced. I would more expect that the next offering would be a E300e plugin hybrid, 4-cyl engine with a 52hp electric motor which can travel 20 miles on the battery. Of course, that will make V8 engines only coming from AMG in the E63 and the inline 6 cyl to be very limited (and expensive) production.
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The Audi and BMW have base fours but both offer a six option at a reasonable cost as upgrade without the need to buy ton of other stuff like Mercedes has done with the e43. If one needs a car now and want a six in e class size, Mercedes has no basic option. Regards. Ned.
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But you are bad- mouthing the E300. You ( and others) keep repeating your claim that it is under- powered. As compared to what? Certainly not the W212 E350. Whether on city streets or the freeway at 75 - 85 mph that simply isn't true for the vast majority of drivers.
You want something faster. That's cool, but don't take it out on the E300.
You want something faster. That's cool, but don't take it out on the E300.
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...When I ordered my 2013 E550, I had to special order the airmatic suspension which had been std on the 2011 E550. However, in 2014, the airmatic suspension became std again in the E550's last year. All the while, the airmatic could be ordered in other countries with the E350 w/o needing the V8 option. ...
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They play up to the fact that the car is made of lighter weight aluminum instead of sheet steel, if you know anything about engineering, theories are all well and good but I don't want my life compromised so MB can make more money by making the "E" out of aluminum instead of the tried and true sheet steel. If aluminum were miles ahead of sheet steel the truck manufacturers would have started making truck bodies out of aluminum years ago, it's just cheaper but doesn't possess the strength of sheet steel, do the math.
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I don't think it's been properly pointed out, but you have it completely backward. Just look at the raw cost of aluminum vs steel. Aluminum is more money. There's a reason they make planes out of aluminum, it's lighter. But it also costs more, not less. Otherwise all car makers would be using it because aluminum doesn't rust like steel does. It's also harder to work with which is why you need body shops that know how to work with aluminum.
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Correct. However, dents and the like can be fixed fairly easily, you simply need a shop that has trained personnel. MB dealers have any info you may require to get anything repaired.
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Correct. However, dents and the like can be fixed fairly easily, you simply need a shop that has trained personnel. MB dealers have any info you may require to get anything repaired.
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My kind of Benz owner. I'll bet you remember when Mercedes were so rare that owners would beep at each other when they saw another one coming.
I can't claim to have bought that many over that period of time but only to have ridden in or driven that many over the same period of time. Seeing the quality of my Dad's '59 180 sealed the deal on this 56 year long obsession.
And to the OP's post the W212 is a great car. Today when I pulled in into the garage I thought what a nice car (mine is 7 years old and 100k on the clock and it still feels for the most part like new). I do wish it got four cylinder fuel mileage. I also agree that the W222 is an absolutely beautiful car so I can't fault him for loving it.
Haven't driven the W213 so can't comment on it. The only thing I can say is that people bad mouthed the W201's and from my experience they were also a fine automobile. I know I loved mine.
I can't claim to have bought that many over that period of time but only to have ridden in or driven that many over the same period of time. Seeing the quality of my Dad's '59 180 sealed the deal on this 56 year long obsession.
And to the OP's post the W212 is a great car. Today when I pulled in into the garage I thought what a nice car (mine is 7 years old and 100k on the clock and it still feels for the most part like new). I do wish it got four cylinder fuel mileage. I also agree that the W222 is an absolutely beautiful car so I can't fault him for loving it.
Haven't driven the W213 so can't comment on it. The only thing I can say is that people bad mouthed the W201's and from my experience they were also a fine automobile. I know I loved mine.
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I finally bit the bullet and ordered a 2018 E300 as a grocery getter. I'm keeping my E400 for highway use until I see how capable the E300 actually is for my style of driving.
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I've got plenty of time. My family folks are very long lived at 100+ while I'm in my early 70's. That's the new 50's.
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