W213 vs W212
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W213 vs W212
So this time last year I bought a fully loaded used dealer loaner 2017 E300 4matic W213, my first ever Mercedes. I think the W213 is better looking inside and out compared to the W212, not that the W212 is bad looking. Consumer Reports gives good reviews to the late model W212's, and mediocre reviews for the W213. So far I have had three things go wrong with my W213. My first big problem was a chip in the windshield that I did not ever see, but it started to crack this winter, and I had to have my windshield replaced. I have read here and elsewhere that Mercedes windshields are more fragile than other brands.
Also I had some of my USB connections in the center console fail, which the dealer replaced as it was under warranty. Also the control unit for my seat massagers and bolsters failed, and was replaced by the dealer, which was covered under warranty. The 4 cylinder in my E300 is certainly adequate for me, but who doesn't love more power. I guess what I am getting at is the W212 much more reliable then the W213? I know that many 3 year leases on 2016 W212's are coming back to the dealers now, and I am beginning to wonder if I would have been better off getting a used W212 vs a W213. Also I only have 14 months left on my original factory warranty, and wonder if it is worth my money to get an extended warranty. Just some things I think about a lot and wanted to hear some input form you guys.
Also I had some of my USB connections in the center console fail, which the dealer replaced as it was under warranty. Also the control unit for my seat massagers and bolsters failed, and was replaced by the dealer, which was covered under warranty. The 4 cylinder in my E300 is certainly adequate for me, but who doesn't love more power. I guess what I am getting at is the W212 much more reliable then the W213? I know that many 3 year leases on 2016 W212's are coming back to the dealers now, and I am beginning to wonder if I would have been better off getting a used W212 vs a W213. Also I only have 14 months left on my original factory warranty, and wonder if it is worth my money to get an extended warranty. Just some things I think about a lot and wanted to hear some input form you guys.
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Well the 2016 E350 would get you the 302hp V6, but you could also get a newer E43/E53 or E400/E450 which had bigger engines.
As for the extended warranty, check the prices in the extended warranty subforum. You can go up to 7/100k for a few thousand and that would be much cheaper than swapping a W213 for a W212. Then by adding another 3 years, you can wait 4 years for some used E43/E53/E400/E450 to show up. Also keep in mind that the extended warranty isn't the same as the factory warranty. Certain items like cosmetic defects aren't covered under the original warranty. W212 had defects like faded wood trim that wasn't covered under extended, just the original factory.
As for the extended warranty, check the prices in the extended warranty subforum. You can go up to 7/100k for a few thousand and that would be much cheaper than swapping a W213 for a W212. Then by adding another 3 years, you can wait 4 years for some used E43/E53/E400/E450 to show up. Also keep in mind that the extended warranty isn't the same as the factory warranty. Certain items like cosmetic defects aren't covered under the original warranty. W212 had defects like faded wood trim that wasn't covered under extended, just the original factory.
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I loved my W212, but had enough warranty repairs that would have been very expensive (had they come out of my pocket) that I didn’t want to keep it after the extended warranty ran out. Fingers crossed my S213 has fewer gremlins. I intended the W212 to be a ”forever car” (it replaced a Volvo I had been driving for 15 years). Hopefully this S213 will actually go the distance.
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w213 better looking
w212 better built
i had/have a "ton" of little problems with my w213.
internet radio not working properly /
FM radio bad reception /
speaker vibrating within the door /
general vibration at speeds over 130km /
grill on top of dashboard vibrating /
warped brake discs /
terrible ABC suspension ..
and don't get me started on the "mercedes me" connectivity...
to name just a few items
w212 better built
i had/have a "ton" of little problems with my w213.
internet radio not working properly /
FM radio bad reception /
speaker vibrating within the door /
general vibration at speeds over 130km /
grill on top of dashboard vibrating /
warped brake discs /
terrible ABC suspension ..
and don't get me started on the "mercedes me" connectivity...
to name just a few items
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Back in 2017, it was a difficult choice for me between a really loaded leftover W212 and the very modern W213. I think the W212 felt more solid and more composed and the power was effortless. But - the nav screen was tiny and the interior overall seemed out of date, so I went with the W213. Mine has been pretty solid - few minor annoyances, but no real issues, so I don't regret the choice. I would like more power on the highway, but around town the 4cyl is more than fine.
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Back in 2017, it was a difficult choice for me between a really loaded leftover W212 and the very modern W213. I think the W212 felt more solid and more composed and the power was effortless. But - the nav screen was tiny and the interior overall seemed out of date, so I went with the W213. Mine has been pretty solid - few minor annoyances, but no real issues, so I don't regret the choice. I would like more power on the highway, but around town the 4cyl is more than fine.
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Depends what W212 to what W213? Base model to base model? W212 because V6 of course. The 4banger in the E300 I drove was awful. It is a mess! Tech? Newer looks, new features then get the W213! W212 to me has a old school and simple (By MB standards) to work on and is more straight forward. My 2012 E Class has been a solid 99%. Failed to start one time because of water due to heavy rain. Dried out and was fine. Cannot speak for the W213 Reliability. If I was to trade in my E for a newer one it would have to be one with a V6. If not then the AMG model. I would 100% get a last year W212 over a new W213 any day.
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I've had my 213 for a year now and I absolutely love it. I traded my 212 for the 213. I possessed my 212 for about 2 years and never really had any bad issues with it, I just got tired of the stale interior and the small screen. I believe my compelling point for the purchase of the 213 was after having a 213 for a loaner for about a day. Mercedes makes some of the best cars I believe, the E300 is a testament of that - they just keep getting better.
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I have a 2010 that I purchased new. Whenever I take it to the dealer for service I check out the new E Class. Just don't interest me. I especially do not like the exterior, but don't like the interior either.
But then I am a traditionalist and the 2010-2013(?) had that traditional M-B Luxury Sedan appearance inside and out.
Mine had some bugs initially, but warranty took care of them. I have noticed that Consumer Reports reliability ratings have fallen for the new E Class. While there is some room for discussion re: CR ratings, they do base it on the largest reporting of any group for reliability over a period of years. So, I trust them.
I have no reason based on my experience, the condition of my car and the reliability expectations to consider trading it for a new E Class. Of course, not liking the car would turn me away anyway. The same as the really, really, really ugly front ends of Lexus models completely keep me from even considering one.
But then I am a traditionalist and the 2010-2013(?) had that traditional M-B Luxury Sedan appearance inside and out.
Mine had some bugs initially, but warranty took care of them. I have noticed that Consumer Reports reliability ratings have fallen for the new E Class. While there is some room for discussion re: CR ratings, they do base it on the largest reporting of any group for reliability over a period of years. So, I trust them.
I have no reason based on my experience, the condition of my car and the reliability expectations to consider trading it for a new E Class. Of course, not liking the car would turn me away anyway. The same as the really, really, really ugly front ends of Lexus models completely keep me from even considering one.
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It's great you are happy with your W212. They were and are still great cars. I loved mine and drove it for more than three years. That said, it does NOT hold a candle to my E450. My E450 is in every respect a much more capable and comfortable car. Stylistically, I also think the new E is better looking, but that's my humble opinion. The great thing about the automotive world is we all have choices. I'm happy with mine and I'm glad you are happy with yours.
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Relatively new to the forum but thought I'd chime in. Been driving a 2012 E350 for almost 7 years now. Fantastic car with almost no problems. Had a rear window quit working but was only a loose wire that dealer fixed easily. Had motor mounts replaced (under warranty) just before I hit 60,000 miles. OTW just an enjoyable, reliable, comfortable car. Almost moved to the 213 when they first came out but no way I'd go to the four cylinder and wanted the technology to get through some of the early issues before making the move. Now have an E450 that's due to hit the port on the 15th. Had to order because still prefer the old style grill and couldn't find a Luxury model with the right equipment anywhere in the US. I guess the dealers know what's selling but I'm amazed at how few luxury models are around. Agree with others, the 212 is a great, solidly built vehicle that has had very few issues over the years. But wanted to move up to newer technology, love the new interior, and believe most of the early issues with the 213 have been resolved. Would have loved to have the new inline 6 but didn't want to wait any longer. I think you'd be happy either way but just the new technology would move me in the direction of the 213.
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SalTex. I received an email of your post, but cannot find it anywhere here. Even when I signed out and in again.
Anyway, my experience was similar re: trying to get a luxury version in 2010. I think part of problem is dealers don't "stock" them because the "sport" models sell better. In 2020 I told the salesman and the sales manager both, no matter the deal for me No luxury meant no sale at all. That's when they made a very good deal on ordering a luxury version.
Anyway, my experience was similar re: trying to get a luxury version in 2010. I think part of problem is dealers don't "stock" them because the "sport" models sell better. In 2020 I told the salesman and the sales manager both, no matter the deal for me No luxury meant no sale at all. That's when they made a very good deal on ordering a luxury version.
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Nobody mentioned the Twin Turbo V6 over the normally aspirated V6 in the 212. Much more Torque and HP with the TT model. I think the 213 is definitely a better car than was the 212. The 212 were not bad, but the 213 is just better.
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But to me the E Class and AMG are really totally different vehicles, hence the huge premium for the AMG.
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Relatively new to the forum but thought I'd chime in. Been driving a 2012 E350 for almost 7 years now. Fantastic car with almost no problems. Had a rear window quit working but was only a loose wire that dealer fixed easily. Had motor mounts replaced (under warranty) just before I hit 60,000 miles. OTW just an enjoyable, reliable, comfortable car. Almost moved to the 213 when they first came out but no way I'd go to the four cylinder and wanted the technology to get through some of the early issues before making the move. Now have an E450 that's due to hit the port on the 15th. Had to order because still prefer the old style grill and couldn't find a Luxury model with the right equipment anywhere in the US. I guess the dealers know what's selling but I'm amazed at how few luxury models are around. Agree with others, the 212 is a great, solidly built vehicle that has had very few issues over the years. But wanted to move up to newer technology, love the new interior, and believe most of the early issues with the 213 have been resolved. Would have loved to have the new inline 6 but didn't want to wait any longer. I think you'd be happy either way but just the new technology would move me in the direction of the 213.
The number one criticism of vehicles today, especially for reliability is the electronics, either not working properly of failing completely. Then going to a dealership to try and get it repaired.
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Your post finally showed up. Wonder why it took so long. Anyway, you make some good points. However, I am becoming disillusioned with all the new technology. Not for what it can do, but the reliability over an extended period. We're not talking a cell phone, lap top or TV, but a multi-functional electronic system in a vehicle travelling 0 to 80 MPH on a routine basis, bouncing down terrible roads and doing it in temperatures that range from 0 to 100 degrees.
The number one criticism of vehicles today, especially for reliability is the electronics, either not working properly of failing completely. Then going to a dealership to try and get it repaired.
The number one criticism of vehicles today, especially for reliability is the electronics, either not working properly of failing completely. Then going to a dealership to try and get it repaired.
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Good comments and I don't necessarily disagree with you. No question they are one of, if not the main, complaint areas in most of today's cars. It's hard to imagine how to program a computer (or computers) to do everything that goes on in the background as you drive a fully loaded W213. So there are occasional coding problems and hardware problems. The second issue to me is the distraction to driving that they can be if you allow them to be. And there's the last thing you mention: getting issues repaired. That's probably my biggest fear. Anyway, I love the things they offer and allow me to do and will risk the occasional failure. The next question is will I ever figure out how to use all the options that are available.
My car was about three years old and I noticed the easy entry/exit had ceased to work. So I took it to dealer and they said yep, it's broke. A week later the part came in. All day job to fix it, but took two days because when finished they could not initially get the car's computer to talk to their computer to talk to the MBUSA computer - or something like that. Something about the three had to communicate to close out the service order or something. Still working though.
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Can't speak for the others but I was on the hunt for a newish E-Class. While 17 E300s were in a similar price range to the facelifted E400s, they would have been base stripper models, mostly without the digital cluster and with the inline 4. I also was not a fan of the exterior styling and prefer to get late model in the chassis life versions. For those reasons, a late W212 E400 TT was a no brainer. Car seems solid and I love the way it looks with designo paint. It also has distronic, LED, parktronic, etc. I'm not a fan of the exterior of the W213, or the W205 and W222 for that matter. I'm really hoping the facelift differentiates the E-Class moreso than the other two models. If so, I may end up replacing the E400 with a late model E53 in 4-5 years.
Also.. I'm biased, but I think the facelifted W212 will age pretty well and it reminds me of the old W124s in terms of stodgy mercedes appearance.
Also.. I'm biased, but I think the facelifted W212 will age pretty well and it reminds me of the old W124s in terms of stodgy mercedes appearance.
