TOMTOM Live Traffic termination
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Has TomTom Real time traffic subscription issue ever been resolved?
I'm looking to buy a 2020 w/NAV. Real time traffic is supplied by TomTom. I read Mercedes will use HERE traffic starting 2021 (makes sense as they're part owner of HERE along with BMW and Audi)
So I'm worried just how long can I expect real-time traffic from TomTom continue to work on a 2020 model?
So I'm worried just how long can I expect real-time traffic from TomTom continue to work on a 2020 model?
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*limited to 3 years
edit: I should add that if you read about live traffic and mercedes me on here they both aren't reliable. Maybe that's why they switched providers lol
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Just my $.02:
I have been following this thread since its inception.
Am I the only one on this Board who finds WAZE far superior to the MB navigation system?
For example, on my last trip from Vermont to Long Island, as I approached Hartford, CT MB navigation had me continue south on I 91 to I 95. WAZE directed me off to I 84 to I 684 and saved me more than 30 minutes.
I also find the graphics on WAZE superior to MB navigation.
With Apple Car Play, if I could delete navigation from the list of options and save the money I would!
Really, with Apple Car Play, I find MB navigation not only redundant but extremely expensive.
On the new Ford Mustang Mach E, where I put down a deposit on the First Edition, the screen at the top left shows navigation by Apple Car Play (Google or WAZE) and on the right navigation by Ford which shows charging stations. This seems to me at least, location of charging stations, the only use for the Ford navigation system. Ford is acknowledging that WAZE is the way most people use navigation.
I have been following this thread since its inception.
Am I the only one on this Board who finds WAZE far superior to the MB navigation system?
For example, on my last trip from Vermont to Long Island, as I approached Hartford, CT MB navigation had me continue south on I 91 to I 95. WAZE directed me off to I 84 to I 684 and saved me more than 30 minutes.
I also find the graphics on WAZE superior to MB navigation.
With Apple Car Play, if I could delete navigation from the list of options and save the money I would!
Really, with Apple Car Play, I find MB navigation not only redundant but extremely expensive.
On the new Ford Mustang Mach E, where I put down a deposit on the First Edition, the screen at the top left shows navigation by Apple Car Play (Google or WAZE) and on the right navigation by Ford which shows charging stations. This seems to me at least, location of charging stations, the only use for the Ford navigation system. Ford is acknowledging that WAZE is the way most people use navigation.
Last edited by JTK44; Dec 24, 2019 at 12:06 PM.
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- It does not work with the HUD.
- The map display is too small.
- WAZE requires an account and login.
- I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties.
- WAZE is a Google product.
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Dear UA529:
1: HUD: do not have this option so no comment.
2: Map too small: Do not know what you are seeing, but on my screen it is the same size as MB navigation
3: WAZE requires an account and login: Is this a problem? You do it once and it is set forever!
4. I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties: you always have the option of going "silent". The beauty of WAZE is that in real time fellow drivers are reporting conditions to aid you in your travel!
5. Waze is a google product: Again is this a problem? Don't you use Google as your search engine
1: HUD: do not have this option so no comment.
2: Map too small: Do not know what you are seeing, but on my screen it is the same size as MB navigation
3: WAZE requires an account and login: Is this a problem? You do it once and it is set forever!
4. I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties: you always have the option of going "silent". The beauty of WAZE is that in real time fellow drivers are reporting conditions to aid you in your travel!
5. Waze is a google product: Again is this a problem? Don't you use Google as your search engine
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I use both Waze and google maps with CarPlay. I prefer the look of google maps because it’s cleaner. And google maps of course usually picks good routes. And when you add a stop, gas for example, it finds it along your route fairly well.
I like that Waze shows/announces extra things like vehicle on shoulder, police and other hazards. So if I want to have all that extra info I use Waze. I also like that I can report things. It’s the community effort that helps make driving safer.
Head up display info for maps would be nice. But it’s not a big deal for me. All that info can be viewed on the navigation screen.
As far as these companies tracking me. Welcome to the digital era.
Our car has 4G in it. They can track you that way if they really wanted to.
edit: I wanted to add that google maps on carplay is starting to introduce more info... road hazards...
I like that Waze shows/announces extra things like vehicle on shoulder, police and other hazards. So if I want to have all that extra info I use Waze. I also like that I can report things. It’s the community effort that helps make driving safer.
Head up display info for maps would be nice. But it’s not a big deal for me. All that info can be viewed on the navigation screen.
As far as these companies tracking me. Welcome to the digital era.
Our car has 4G in it. They can track you that way if they really wanted to.
edit: I wanted to add that google maps on carplay is starting to introduce more info... road hazards...
Last edited by Cerave; Jan 1, 2020 at 09:22 AM.
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Dear UA529:
1: HUD: do not have this option so no comment.
2: Map too small: Do not know what you are seeing, but on my screen it is the same size as MB navigation
3: WAZE requires an account and login: Is this a problem? You do it once and it is set forever!
4. I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties: you always have the option of going "silent". The beauty of WAZE is that in real time fellow drivers are reporting conditions to aid you in your travel!
5. Waze is a google product: Again is this a problem? Don't you use Google as your search engine
1: HUD: do not have this option so no comment.
2: Map too small: Do not know what you are seeing, but on my screen it is the same size as MB navigation
3: WAZE requires an account and login: Is this a problem? You do it once and it is set forever!
4. I do not wish have my movements tracked by unknown parties: you always have the option of going "silent". The beauty of WAZE is that in real time fellow drivers are reporting conditions to aid you in your travel!
5. Waze is a google product: Again is this a problem? Don't you use Google as your search engine
3. Requiring an account that is not really necessary for navigation is an invasion of privacy and simply a method to obtain a user's personal information such as an email address.
4. By logging into an account one can be tracked. Is going "silent" really preventing WAZE from tracking movements?
5. I do not use Google because they capture and retain forever every bit of data they suck up. Even on my Android phone, I did not create a gmail mail account for that same reason.
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2. I use Apple Play. The entire screen not 2/3 is used. Do not know about Adroid.
3. Using your email address is "an invasion of privacy". I really do not think so anymore than someone having your mailing address. Remember the days when there were white pages and everyone's name, address and telephone number were listed. Hardly an "invasion of privacy".
4. Yes logging in "silently" and you are not tracked. Again, I an not paranoid about tracking where I am but I understand others may be.
5. Not using gmail for your account? You are definitely in the minority. Not using Google as your internet web browser - again you are in the minority.
Basically I am not as paranoid about using WAZE or Google as you are.
If you get over the paranoia, I think you will find that WAZE is a far superior navigation system than what exists in our Mercedes and it is FREE and it is constantly being updated!
3. Using your email address is "an invasion of privacy". I really do not think so anymore than someone having your mailing address. Remember the days when there were white pages and everyone's name, address and telephone number were listed. Hardly an "invasion of privacy".
4. Yes logging in "silently" and you are not tracked. Again, I an not paranoid about tracking where I am but I understand others may be.
5. Not using gmail for your account? You are definitely in the minority. Not using Google as your internet web browser - again you are in the minority.
Basically I am not as paranoid about using WAZE or Google as you are.
If you get over the paranoia, I think you will find that WAZE is a far superior navigation system than what exists in our Mercedes and it is FREE and it is constantly being updated!
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The main problem is that you have to plug in your phone. At least for me, I dislike having to remove my iPhone from my pocket and plug it in, and then I also forget to take it with me when I arrive. as a side note, I find Waze graphics to be a bit cartoonish and way prefer to MB nav look.
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I don't mind that Android Auto and Apple CarPlay only use roughly 2/3 of the MB's large screen. I mind that MB has decided to do nothing useful with the other 1/3. Personally, while the MB nav system's wide maps look incredible, the added with is rarely of any benefit, as movement is generally in the upward direction, and all that extra width map goes to waste. It is better when instructions and other stuff pop up beside it, though.
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2. I use Apple Play. The entire screen not 2/3 is used. Do not know about Adroid.
3. Using your email address is "an invasion of privacy". I really do not think so anymore than someone having your mailing address. Remember the days when there were white pages and everyone's name, address and telephone number were listed. Hardly an "invasion of privacy".
4. Yes logging in "silently" and you are not tracked. Again, I an not paranoid about tracking where I am but I understand others may be.
5. Not using gmail for your account? You are definitely in the minority. Not using Google as your internet web browser - again you are in the minority.
Basically I am not as paranoid about using WAZE or Google as you are.
If you get over the paranoia, I think you will find that WAZE is a far superior navigation system than what exists in our Mercedes and it is FREE and it is constantly being updated!
3. Using your email address is "an invasion of privacy". I really do not think so anymore than someone having your mailing address. Remember the days when there were white pages and everyone's name, address and telephone number were listed. Hardly an "invasion of privacy".
4. Yes logging in "silently" and you are not tracked. Again, I an not paranoid about tracking where I am but I understand others may be.
5. Not using gmail for your account? You are definitely in the minority. Not using Google as your internet web browser - again you are in the minority.
Basically I am not as paranoid about using WAZE or Google as you are.
If you get over the paranoia, I think you will find that WAZE is a far superior navigation system than what exists in our Mercedes and it is FREE and it is constantly being updated!
BTW - I always had and still have what are called unpublished phone numbers.
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Do what I do. Simply keep an email address for junk. I use the @aol.com address I created 30+ years ago. When a site needs an email addr for something I want (a free download, read a paper, Waze, ....) I use the junk email address. Problem solved
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I'm not paranoid, just avoiding being doxxed.
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The main problem is that you have to plug in your phone. At least for me, I dislike having to remove my iPhone from my pocket and plug it in, and then I also forget to take it with me when I arrive. as a side note, I find Waze graphics to be a bit cartoonish and way prefer to MB nav look.
This makes CarPlay wireless. I’m thinking of getting it but I’m not sure yet. Supposedly it works well, though.
edit: One drawback I have seen is that there is some latency issue when pressing commands (pause/play). I will probably test this out in the spring if they can make it stable.
I would imagine that updating your iOS may cause compatibility issues but they seem to be 'promising' to push out new firmware. I personally wouldn't mind the slight latency delay. Wireless would be great. Also, I'm not sure if the Qi charger and wireless CarPlay can be used at the same time. I asked the manufacturer of CarPlay2Air but they gave me an ambiguous email response.
Last edited by Cerave; Dec 25, 2019 at 10:57 AM.
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https://carplay2air.com/
This makes CarPlay wireless. I’m thinking of getting it but I’m not sure yet. Supposedly it works well, though.
edit: One drawback I have seen is that there is some latency issue when pressing commands (pause/play). I will probably test this out in the spring if they can make it stable.
I would imagine that updating your iOS may cause compatibility issues but they seem to be 'promising' to push out new firmware. I personally wouldn't mind the slight latency delay. Wireless would be great. Also, I'm not sure if the Qi charger and wireless CarPlay can be used at the same time. I asked the manufacturer of CarPlay2Air but they gave me an ambiguous email response.
This makes CarPlay wireless. I’m thinking of getting it but I’m not sure yet. Supposedly it works well, though.
edit: One drawback I have seen is that there is some latency issue when pressing commands (pause/play). I will probably test this out in the spring if they can make it stable.
I would imagine that updating your iOS may cause compatibility issues but they seem to be 'promising' to push out new firmware. I personally wouldn't mind the slight latency delay. Wireless would be great. Also, I'm not sure if the Qi charger and wireless CarPlay can be used at the same time. I asked the manufacturer of CarPlay2Air but they gave me an ambiguous email response.
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I thought I saw new icons in google maps on CarPlay recently but I wasn’t sure.
I’ll have to test it again soon.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.go...ogle-maps/amp/
Last edited by Cerave; Dec 26, 2019 at 01:15 AM.
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The good news is that Google Maps via Android Auto is showing basic directions also on the HUD (don't know about Waze, never use it).
Indeed a real pity that (on Android Auto) it only uses 2/3 of the screen (known issue with MB COMAND, the Adnroid Auto app support full HD screen since earlier this year, "only" MB has to open this feature in the Engineering Menu, like wireless Carplay/Android Auto, that seems to be hidden in the Enigneering Menu........... :-( )
It is all concering v4.80 of COMAND 5*5.
Indeed a real pity that (on Android Auto) it only uses 2/3 of the screen (known issue with MB COMAND, the Adnroid Auto app support full HD screen since earlier this year, "only" MB has to open this feature in the Engineering Menu, like wireless Carplay/Android Auto, that seems to be hidden in the Enigneering Menu........... :-( )
It is all concering v4.80 of COMAND 5*5.
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VERY FRUSTRATED - but got a retroactive discount
Ditto to all the complaints; it is unconscionable for Mercedes to be one of the only car companies (if not the only) that doesn't provide traffic conditions. ETA is the #1 feature of a GPS. Not to support it is a poor business decision. I called mbrace and their only response was "call the concierge, they will tell you what time you will arrive". Of all the possible solutions, this is far and away the dumbest. However, after a long debate with "Special Services", the team one is connected with when cancelling a subscription, I got a 16% discount on my mbrace plan. If we all threaten to cancel our plans unless we are compensated for the reduced functionality, maybe this will get their attention.
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I’ve given up on factory navigation live traffic
Google maps on CarPlay shows traffic very well. It’s just a minor annoyance to plug in my phone to use it.
And it’s more reliable than anything TomTom could provide.
Google maps on CarPlay shows traffic very well. It’s just a minor annoyance to plug in my phone to use it.
And it’s more reliable than anything TomTom could provide.
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MB is missing an opportunity to add value to their UI. Most OEMs are trying as hard as possible to lock users into proprietary interfaces in order to monetize features and protect themselves from Google and Apple owning future revenue streams, MB is giving up this valuable real estate. A prestige car company should strive offer the best GPS experience, or at least explain to user while it has given up the fight. If any MB employees are monitoring this thread, the floor is yours. If not, then maybe we should take to Twitter.
