My E450 Wagon FAIRY TALE--I still can't believe it!
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Both of mine have the pano roof. It was better on the W211, doesn't make that much noise. Worse on the W212, but I tightened the bolts and it's better although at extreme points, it still makes a little noise which I attribute to the having the pano roof. At least with the roof all glass, you don't have to wax it. I don't notice the heat, it's always hot the first time you get in a car on a hot day, always takes 5 minutes to cool it down. I'd rather have it than not, what's the point of owning a luxury car if you don't have any luxury features?
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I don't miss having so many cars......the bills always came for something or one of them......registration, taxes, insurance.......
Do you ever grab the wrong keys for the wrong car? I used to do that a lot lol. One of those good problems
Lets have a pic of the fleet Stream! As long as they're clean
Do you ever grab the wrong keys for the wrong car? I used to do that a lot lol. One of those good problems
Lets have a pic of the fleet Stream! As long as they're clean
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Then why don’t all S Class cars have the top line interiors, the best audio system, the most elaborate suspension, heads-up display, night vision, V12 engines, etc.? I believe that the answer is because some buyers want those things and others don’t. Some prefer a $90,000.00 S450, while others want a $150,000.00 S560. My biggest gripe with the Panorama Roof is that it completely changes the look of lighter colored cars. I find my silver S560 to be relatively unattractive and would pay a $10,000.00 special order fee to get the car without the glass roof. If the Pano Roof can be optional on most every other MB model, it should be on the current S Class as well. It is in Germany, Mexico and other countries, but here in the US, it is shoved down our throats, whether we want it or not. Decidedly NOT a luxurious feeling, IMO.
There's always a fringe group that custom order cars, most people just buy whatever the dealer ordered on the lot. Just too small of a niche market to cater to just a few people. The sales of an S class is even lower than that of the E.
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2015 E250 Bluetec
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Very nice , congrats
Seems all of the ‘stars’ aligned for you.
If you don’t want the flowing lines, I’ll have it :-).
Now to just enjoy it
Out of interest i bought the Michelin Primacy 3/4 as MOE run flats and found them to be very comfortable.
Seems all of the ‘stars’ aligned for you.
If you don’t want the flowing lines, I’ll have it :-).
Now to just enjoy it
Out of interest i bought the Michelin Primacy 3/4 as MOE run flats and found them to be very comfortable.
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The Primacy tires are what I ended up putting on my wagon. It had the Goodyear sport tires on it from the factory which I could not take anymore after the first 10k miles. Very harsh tire. The primacy are better but still a very firm ride. What I don’t get is I had a rear wheel drive 2019 e450 cabriolet with same primacy tires which was a low amg line and that car rode like a S class. Very strange. On the wagon over bad roads like on the jersey turnpike the front end sometimes bottoms out. Generally not a problem in Florida though. A number of others have complained about this too. The older e350 212 wagons never did this.
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While I enjoy your rant against it, it's basically because MB USA is who determines who gets to buy what in this country. There's a lot more choices in Germany where they have a lot more low end cars. In a high priced market like they US, they just don't want to sell you a cheaper model. Also eliminating options saves money so it could actually be cheaper to put one thing in all cars instead of setting up the production line to service two options. Plus they make more money. What's not to like? For them that is.
There's always a fringe group that custom order cars, most people just buy whatever the dealer ordered on the lot. Just too small of a niche market to cater to just a few people. The sales of an S class is even lower than that of the E.
There's always a fringe group that custom order cars, most people just buy whatever the dealer ordered on the lot. Just too small of a niche market to cater to just a few people. The sales of an S class is even lower than that of the E.
This has always been a persistent mystery to me. Maybe the members on forums like this and I are just so different from the general car buyer that I can’t understand the typical consumer’s mindset, but I cannot imagine buying a brand new MB and not custom ordering it to be exactly as I wish. I see that as the only significant reason to pay the new prices when you can easily get beautifully maintained cars with 20-30k miles for 50-70% off MSRP used. Of course used you don’t always have your druthers, unless you’re as lucky at Stream, but that’s part of the deal for the huge savings. And when shopping used it becomes apparent just how few custom order new when sorting through endless lease return specials with Premium Package and nothing else... I just don’t get it.
One other note: I wanted to order a new wagon, but by the time I found out that the Luxury trim would no longer be imported in 2021, it was too late to order a 2020. This, of course, is yet another ridiculous move by MBUSA. That said, I feel that the facelift Luxury model, as shown on the German site, is not that good looking anyway. Here’s a photo. The grill looks to be just an insert that fits into the same cavity as the AMG version. It doesn’t look as nice as the current car, but I still would have ordered one, if MBUSA had made it available here. Oh well, “Big Brother” knows what’s best for us!
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In a high priced market like they US, they just don't want to sell you a cheaper model. Also eliminating options saves money so it could actually be cheaper to put one thing in all cars instead of setting up the production line to service two options. Plus they make more money. What's not to like? For them that is.
The irony is most cars sold in US are pretty basic, with limited options installed, so you almost have to custom order. I'm one of the "fringe group that custom order cars", because whatever the dealer has on the lot is usually black, or less commonly white, with a black interior, and a couple of useless vanity options like projector lamps in the doors, but without drive pilot, digital cockpit etc.[/QUOTE]
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I'll never forget the time I was shopping Honda's and the guy looked at me like I was crazy when I asked about configuring my own options.....he said no, you just pick off the lot.......so I got one for my wife off the lot
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2020 E450 Wagon
Congrats!! Your wagon is lovely! I am also looking for a luxury model with only Prem, Lighting and Parking Assistance packages and 3-zone climate control in either Designo Red, Iridium Silver or Selenite Gray. I'm open to any interior colour but also do not want a pano roof. There are so few luxury 2020's available and then finding one with 3-zone climate seems near impossible. The hunt continues.
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The one time I ever bought a new car, I had to buy it off the lot. My previous car had died on me (blown head gasket, fine one day, gone the next) and I was just paying for a rental when I needed it so I didn't have too much time to wait around for one to be built. I've mostly just bought used cars. My boss keeps thinking about getting a new car and he's just going to buy one off the lot. I keep telling him that if he's thinking about it, he could just order one now and it'll be there in a couple months, but he says he can't do that, if he's ready to spend money, he just wants to pick one up off the lot. It's why dealers end up ordering whatever is on their lot and they only order what they think will sell. I guess if they get it with too many options, no one wants to pay that kind of price so maybe a loaded one will really sit for a while and they just want to move the metal.
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Ya, I really find it best to buy 2 or 3 year old cars like I did with my S550. The sticker on the car was 118K and I got the car 3 years old with 16.2K miles on it like new for 60 grand, that is quite the discount over new. My wagon I did buy new but had the dealer find me one with the options I wanted from another dealer. The only car I special ordered was my 2018 E63 AMG wagon and it was a long wait like 4 months or 5 months and there was issues with not being able to get certain things so probably never again.
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Congrats!! Your wagon is lovely! I am also looking for a luxury model with only Prem, Lighting and Parking Assistance packages and 3-zone climate control in either Designo Red, Iridium Silver or Selenite Gray. I'm open to any interior colour but also do not want a pano roof. There are so few luxury 2020's available and then finding one with 3-zone climate seems near impossible. The hunt continues.
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I love the W213 sedan but the wagon is just phenomenal looking car. One of the best designs of Mercedes ever. The lines are so good that the factory didn't dare to touch it much at all in 2021 facelift. Wise decision.
Beautiful wagon man, enjoy!
Beautiful wagon man, enjoy!
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No more MB:(
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Have you seen the all-terrain wagon ( https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/mo...s/wagon/e450s4 )? This is the only non AMG wagon offered in the USA. Reminds me of a Subaru.
To give us this:
Brilliant move…………NOT!
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Congrats! I’m also looking for an e400/e450 with the classic / luxury line front end I’m ok with pano roof but tex seats are a must and just like you classic walnut burlwood would be nice 😊
There’s actually a 2017 in the Bay Area about 2.5hrs away with 75k miles.. but that’s just a lot of miles for a 4-5yr. Old car
I’m ok with pano roof but tex seats are a must and just like you classic walnut burlwood would be nice 😊 There’s actually a 2017 in the Bay Area about 2.5hrs away with 75k miles.. but that’s just a lot of miles for a 4-5yr. Old car
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In fairness after mostly agreeing with you guys on the new All Terrain, the visual cuts are barely different in practice.
And the 2021 AT drives miles better FWIW, which is to say smoother, more linear, more direct and mbux is vastly superior to comand.
Changes happens. Worst case, the older model is still a terrific wagon so enjoy it as long as you can.
And the 2021 AT drives miles better FWIW, which is to say smoother, more linear, more direct and mbux is vastly superior to comand.
Changes happens. Worst case, the older model is still a terrific wagon so enjoy it as long as you can.
