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Old 07-31-2020, 04:10 PM
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Did we agree on how Apple CarPlay work?

Is it using the car’s GPS signal or the phone's GPS chip? (Phone chip = navigation is managed by the phone and the display signal is sent to the MB 12” screen)
No, we're not sure about how Mitsubishi implemented it. It's possible for them to use the car's GPS hardware in COMAND or the phone's GPS chip, but nobody here has devised a definitive experiment to be sure one way or the other.
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Are we having Mitsubishi SW in our cars?
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Yes, and in other makes, We are not talking about Mitsubishi Motors. Mitsubishi conglomerate makes many systems used by many companies.

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Mitsubishi...
Are we having Mitsubishi SW in our cars?
Old 08-01-2020, 05:58 PM
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Yes, and in other makes, We are not talking about Mitsubishi Motors. Mitsubishi conglomerate makes many systems used by many companies.
ok got it
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Originally Posted by Music_Lover
Mitsubishi...
Are we having Mitsubishi SW in our cars?
And to be clear, software and hardware. All COMAND 5*5 units are made by Mitsubishi Electric.
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And to be clear, software and hardware. All COMAND 5*5 units are made by Mitsubishi Electric.
Thanks for the information.

Just checked the SW version in my car, its 16/26.00
Is that the latest navigation version?
(Asked the MB dealer to upgrade the navigation SW and map last week, but no idea if it was done or not)
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Thanks for the information.

Just checked the SW version in my car, its 16/26.00
Is that the latest navigation version?
(Asked the MB dealer to upgrade the navigation SW and map last week, but no idea if it was done or not)
The latest map version (from the Nav Options menu) is V19(2020). As of MY 2019, you can download updates from the Mercedes Me portal, and I did about a month ago. That's different than the software level. This is the summary of my COMAND software levels from the Dealer Menu.
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When using Apple CarPlay it uses the GPS in the phone.
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When using Apple CarPlay it uses the GPS in the phone.
How do you know? (If you haven't read this thread, please do before responding.)

Any definitive proof would be much appreciated.
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What about putting the iphone in a Faradays cage while it's connected to the car with USB cable?
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What about putting the iphone in a Faradays cage while it's connected to the car with USB cable?
That would also block Wi-Fi and cellular data, so Google Maps and Waze would be dead in the water. I suppose you can download an offline area for Google Maps and see if it still navigates with the GPS signal to the phone completely blocked.
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Originally Posted by whoover
How do you know? (If you haven't read this thread, please do before responding.)

Any definitive proof would be much appreciated.
I did read the thread first and was just adding my understanding from personal research. On the tech sites that delve into CarPlay they specifically say that the information (GPS, Mapping etc) is driven by the phone. The confusion perhaps is that the phone can use an internal aerial link to get better signal when in car, armrest, wireless charger. That is not the same as using the cars GPS module.

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Just got around to digging up some actual information on the inner workings of CarPlay from Apple. The below link is Part 1 of a presentation into the workings of CarPlay straight from Apple. Around minute 12:48 she explains the car sensors and what is sent from the car's head unit to the iPhone and as I said, GPS location along with speed information is sent from the head unit to the iPhone. She says that if the car is equipped with GPS, the CarPlay implementation is required to send location information to the iPhone, although the corresponding slide says it's required for wireless CarPlay. I guess the final piece comes down to MB's implementation to confirm that COMAND is indeed sending the correct car sensor data to the iPhone. I think everything that's been said is partially correct. The iPhone uses its own GPS, but can improve accuracy by using location information from the car's head unit if available. That's provided MB or better Mitsubishi Electric has implemented it properly on their end.

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/722

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Good information, thanks!
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Just updating everyone... had my car sit for five days and when I got in the navigation worked again and has been for the past 4 drives.

so im down to some on and off error - the same as the aux. battery failure that has corrected it self 4 times now in the 3 months I have owned the car(w213 from 2016 so bought used)

so as of now the car has no faults... and I didn’t do anything
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Hi all, as some of you have read from my other post, I have an issue with the aux. battery failure warning showing from time to time. Last time it showed the navigation went shot and does not show the car in the correct place. Now the aux. battery failure warning is gone again but the navigation is stil shot.

When I get into the car. Its positioned incorrectly(but different everytime and still somewhat close) when I drive it does not actually move but it like “stutter” moving a quarter of an inch and then resets to the beginning - like a half of second and then resets Mercedes Navigation Not Working: How to Fix?. (Maybe similar to an old record which is stuck in the same groove) Meaning it does not move anywhere from the initial wrong place under the whole trip.

Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong?

Also I have a general question regarding the navigation audio instructions. It seems like its set to default to be at sound level 27 - is there anyway I can change this other than altering it everytime? I like it at 15-20 but it will not save it!
Hi i have just bought a s280 but am having major problems getting the navigation to work i can input my destination but as soon as i press start nav it just shows a blank blue map on one half and an arrow saying maps off on the other half

also can any body tell me what the latest maps are for a 2004 s280 please it currently has this on the disk that came with the car,

command aps
A211 827 68 59
B6 782 34 89

EUROPE
Navigations DVD COMMAND APS version 5.0


i was wondering if it needs updating or maybe the gps has stopped working. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Totally forgot about this thread.

The navigation got fixed by replacing the gps antenna in the left mirror.

Aux battery also got replaced. Both has not said a wrong beep since the fix, which was done a few weeks after my last post in this thread.

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Old 11-16-2023, 10:36 AM
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i would have said to see if you were getting ANY GPS satellite locks by going to your compass in the navigation, there it shows you how many GPS satellite it is tracking.

In my 18 E63s.. it showed zero BUT interesting enough, it would still attempt to track placement on the NAV map.

Anyway long story short, the GPS antenna was split in half and the diagnostics showed Open circuit to the antenna... replaced the GPS antenna and it acquired 12 satellites. All good now.

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