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I know the rears will fit no problem. on my 2016 E350 I had 285/30/19's on there with an aggressive ET. But i'm worried about my fronts. That is 1 more inch that will be closer to the suspension, but the ET is less on the E63's than it is on the E350 so that means that it won't be actually 1 Inch closer, more like maybe 0.7 inches. Does anyone know if i'll need a spacer or will it not even fit with a spacer?
These are the wheels I'm talking about.
Thank you in advance for those who help out!
Last edited by Billyismyname; Dec 14, 2020 at 10:15 PM.
If you fit a car with wheels that has a higher ET it means they will be going “into” the car. So besides a chance of them rubbing on the inside of your wheel-well, its also going to narrow the alignment... meaning it will be more unstable than was intended from the car manufactor. In my country its against the law to mount wheels with higher ET. You can mount wheels with a lower ET but maximum 10
f.x. Going from
ET 43 to ET 33 would be ok
ET 43 to ET 30 too much
ET 43 to ET 47 car will be less stable
If you fit a car with wheels that has a higher ET it means they will be going “into” the car. So besides a chance of them rubbing on the inside of your wheel-well, its also going to narrow the alignment... meaning it will be more unstable than was intended from the car manufactor. In my country its against the law to mount wheels with higher ET. You can mount wheels with a lower ET but maximum 10
f.x. Going from
ET 43 to ET 33 would be ok
ET 43 to ET 30 too much
ET 43 to ET 47 car will be less stable
I get what you're saying. I've had very aggressive offset on my W212 with 1.5-2 inch wider wheels, and it did nothing but make the car handle like a champ in the corners and on the highway. I love wide wheels and having them be flush against the fenders not only because of looks, but it makes the car handle better. Here in the states you can do whatever you want as long as the wheels aren't poking out too much past the fenders. Only other thing to consider is putting staggered wheels on a 4Matic, but as long as you have the rolling radius and circumference the same, it doesn't matter.
And I understand that it'll poke out more, i'm not worried about that. There is about 1.5 inches of room to play with from the OEM tire to the fender as it sits now. I'm worried about the tire/wheel hitting the suspension on the inside of the wheel well since i believe it'll be 0.7 inches or so closer to the suspension.
Thank you for the link sir. I actually used that site to get the ET specs off of my current wheels and the E63 wheels.
I used that tool also to check out the numbers but it tells me that it'll just be a lot wider near the suspension. It doesn't say if the offset will help the suspension part or not.
I think they will fit, but I'm just being cautious I guess.
Front W212 E63 wheels will fit 100% flush with not poke. However, 255/35-19 tire should be replaced by 245/40-19 or 255/40-19.
Rear W212 E63 wheels will be well into wheel wells and in my view require 10-15mm spacers to be flush. Just as with front, 285/30-19 tire should be replace by 275/35-19 or 285/35-19.
Below is on my former '19 E450.
Front 19x8.5 et30 (et35.5 +5mm spacers, about identical to 19x9 et37) with 245/40-19:
Rear 19x9.5 et38 (et48 +10mm spacers, much better looking than 19x9.5 et52) with 275/35-19:
Front W212 E63 wheels will fit 100% flush with not poke. However, 255/35-19 tire should be replaced by 245/40-19 or 255/40-19.
Rear W212 E63 wheels will be well into wheel wells and in my view require 10-15mm spacers to be flush. Just as with front, 285/30-19 tire should be replace by 275/35-19 or 285/35-19.
Below is on my former '19 E450.
Front 19x8.5 et30 (et35.5 +5mm spacers, about identical to 19x9 et37) with 245/40-19:
Rear 19x9.5 et38 (et48 +10mm spacers, much better looking than 19x9.5 et52) with 275/35-19:
That looks awesome! Thank you for sharing and for the reference link.
I think i'll be okay too. I was just worried about the fronts hitting the suspension since they're 9" wide in the front.
As for the tires, I think ill go with the 245/40/19 & 275/35/19's as there are ALOT more options out there for that size vs the 255/35/19 & 285/30/19.
Did you have any issues with the 245/40/19? would it clear the front as the 40 would have a higher sidewall than the 35?
Also, did you HAVE to use a spacer or did you just do it for the perfect fitment? I would like to stay away from spacers if at all possible.
Cheers and thank you!!
Last edited by Billyismyname; Dec 15, 2020 at 08:14 PM.
I also don't know if 245/40/19 would clear the front as 40 would have a higher sidewall than 35.
Cheers and thank you!!
Not sure you fully understand how everything works. W213 uses 26.8" tall tires while W212 used on average 25.8" diameter tires. 245/40-19 IS OEM tire on W213 equipped with 19" wheels (or 245/45-18 if 18" wheels). Based on your first post, you already have (or at least that is how I understood it) 245/40-19 on 19x8 et43 wheels, hence your above statement does not make any sense to me. Your car will be fine with 255/35-19 and 285/30-19 (W212 sizes), but W213 E300 was designed to use 245/40-19 and 275/35-19 (it can even take 255/40-19 and 285/35-19 with 100% confidence). As you may know, W213 E63 uses even taller diameter tires - 265/35-20 (translates to 265/40-19) and 295/30-20 (translates to 295/35-19). You can use any MB wheels from any other model on W213, provided they fit, but IMHO you should not use smaller diameter W212 tires on W213.
Spacers were used only for cosmetics.
Edit: The reason I mentioned spacers, is because W212 E63 has huge front fenders (as does W213 E63), hence offset is much lower upfront. If you put W212 E63 wheels as is on W213, front will be 100% flush with front fender, but rear will be well "in". IMHO it will not look "right", hence I would not put rears without at least 10mm spacers.
Last edited by threeMBs; Dec 15, 2020 at 08:35 PM.
Reason: W212 E63
Not sure you fully understand how everything works. W213 uses 26.8" tall tires while W212 used on average 25.8" diameter tires. 245/40-19 IS OEM tire on W213 equipped with 19" wheels (or 245/45-18 if 18" wheels). Based on your first post, you already have (or at least that is how I understood it) 245/40-19 on 19x8 et43 wheels, hence your above statement does not make any sense to me. Your car will be fine with 255/35-19 and 285/30-19 (W212 sizes), but W213 E300 was designed to use 245/40-19 and 275/35-19 (it can even take 255/40-19 and 285/35-19 with 100% confidence). As you may know, W213 E63 uses even taller diameter tires - 265/35-20 (translates to 265/40-19) and 295/30-20 (translates to 295/35-19). You can use any MB wheels from any other model on W213, provided they fit, but IMHO you should not use smaller diameter W212 tires on W213.
Spacers were used only for cosmetics.
Edit: The reason I mentioned spacers, is because W212 E63 has huge front fenders (as does W213 E63), hence offset is much lower upfront. If you put W212 E63 wheels as is on W213, front will be 100% flush with front fender, but rear will be well "in". IMHO it will not look "right", hence I would not put rears without at least 10mm spacers.
I did not know any of that. You learn something new everyday! Once I get the wheels ill get the 245/40/19 and 275/35/19 tires.
Sorry about the confusion in my previous post. I meant to say will those tire sizes work with the wider wheels (since the fronts are 9" wide). I was just worried that with the 245/40 size tire it would be hitting the suspension. But i re-read your first comment on this post and see that with the width and offset of the front wheels it'll fit close/similar to what you have in the pictures.
One last question i promise (youre the only one who's been really helpful so far!) Do you know what bolts/size you used? and which brand spacer you used in the rear? I do not want to cheap out on the one thing that is holding my wheel in place doing 80 MPH haha
Do you know what bolts/size you used? and which brand spacer you used in the rear? I do not want to cheap out on the one thing that is holding my wheel in place doing 80 MPH haha
Thank you!!
1. Keep in mind that your W213 OEM wheels have OEM 45mm R14 bolts. All OEM W212 wheels, including E63, use OEM 27mm (sometime referred as 28mm) R14 bolts. You can not use bolts made for W213 wheels with wheels made for W212 unless you use 15-17mm spacers.
2. So for front (no spacers) E63 wheels you need OEM 27mm(28mm) R14 14x1.5 bolts.
For rear: 10mm spacers - 38mm-40mm R14 14x1.5 bolts, for 12mm spacers - 40mm bolts, for 15mm spacers - 43mm-45mm bolts.
I normally use only H&R spacers, but W213 have 10-11mm high hubs so standard H&R 10mm and 12mm spacers do not fit.
Personally I would use H&R's 13mm spacers, p/n 2655665 with 40mm R14 14x1.5 bolts.
If you want use 10mm spacers, then only these (I have them) fit: https://otisincla.com/product/merced...ith-lug-bolts/ they fit VERY snug (can not take them off with bare hands once they are in the wheel - line up holes carefully before pressing them in) and the price include 10 bolts of your choice, tell Phil that the bolts you want are these https://otisincla.com/product/m14x1-...m-zinc-plated/
1. Keep in mind that your W213 OEM wheels have OEM 45mm R14 bolts. All OEM W212 wheels, including E63, use OEM 27mm (sometime referred as 28mm) R14 bolts. You can not use bolts made for W213 wheels with wheels made for W212 unless you use 15-17mm spacers.
2. So for front (no spacers) E63 wheels you need OEM 27mm(28mm) R14 14x1.5 bolts.
For rear: 10mm spacers - 38mm-40mm R14 14x1.5 bolts, for 12mm spacers - 40mm bolts, for 15mm spacers - 43mm-45mm bolts.
I normally use only H&R spacers, but W213 have 10-11mm high hubs so standard H&R 10mm and 12mm spacers do not fit.
Personally I would use H&R's 13mm spacers, p/n 2655665 with 40mm R14 14x1.5 bolts.
If you want use 10mm spacers, then only these (I have them) fit: https://otisincla.com/product/merced...ith-lug-bolts/ they fit VERY snug (can not take them off with bare hands once they are in the wheel - line up holes carefully before pressing them in) and the price include 10 bolts of your choice, tell Phil that the bolts you want are these https://otisincla.com/product/m14x1-...m-zinc-plated/
Good luck
Seriously thank you for the help! You're the man.
I just emailed Otis for the spacers and for the bolts. I think the guy im buying the wheels from has the original bolts as well that I can use for the fronts, if not then ill get them from Otis.
Tried on my buddies wheels (same ones just grey, not black like the ones im buying) that he uses for summer only. He didn't have any tires on them since he has to buy new ones for next year, so I thought it would be smart to test fit them. Once bolted on, i let the wheel sit on a wooden block for 30 min to let the suspension settle a little bit.
The 9" wheel in the front fits, but it's super close to the suspension. I am afraid to put on the 255/40/19 tires on it as it doesn't look like it'll clear it (from the naked eye atleast it doesn't), but looking at ThreeMB's picture, he used 245/40/19's on his wheels. I'm going to order the same for mine and hope the tire doesn't rub or hit the suspension components.
As for the rear 9.5" wheel, it fits but I agree once again with ThreeMB that it'll need 5-10mm spacers (which I have ordered already).
I will update this thread with pictures of the fitment as soon as the wheels come in and tires are mounted on.
I ran 8.5" et35 wheels and they had tiny bit more room than stock's 8" et43. And while 9" et37 do have less room, fear not as they will fit with 245/40-19 with room to spare (actually 9" wide wheels with offset of as high as et45 do fit upfront, TireRack says so, so it is).
I ran 8.5" et35 wheels and they had tiny bit more room than stock's 8" et43. And while 9" et37 do have less room, fear not as they will fit with 245/40-19 with room to spare (actually 9" wide wheels with offset of as high as et45 do fit upfront, TireRack says so, so it is).
I trust you
I'm going to my tire place tomorrow to get me some Continental DWS 06 tires (I live in New England and our weather sucks, so it makes sense to buy one of the best all-season tires).
I also ordered the bolts per your specifications with the 10mm spacer in the back and the shorter bolts in the front.
The wheels came in. Ordered tires yesterday and because of Covid I have to wait a week to get the 245/40/19 & 275/35/19’s installed.
spacers and bolts came in about a week ago. Although Otis sent one wider spacer (12mm instead of 10mm) Phil from Otis Inc sent a new 10mm and 38mm bolts instead of the 40mm that I originally ordered (Phil is awesome and I highly recommend him to anyone who wants bolts or spacers). I have shipped the 40mm bolts and 12mm spacer back to him.
I will take pictures of the fitment as soon as I get the wheels on the car!
Last edited by Billyismyname; Sep 14, 2023 at 12:17 AM.
It maybe that I’m biased when it comes to lowered cars with bigger wheels (1 inch drop max), but it not sure I like this look. While the wheels are nice, it doesn’t fit the car well in my opinion. Maybe it’s also because the suspension didn’t settle fully yet, but after driving for about 10 miles and an hour later, it looks like it’s lifted an inch, and not stock height.
There was ALOT of space left for wider and taller tires as ThreeMBs said. I could’ve done a 255/45/19 & 285/40/19 with no issues. The spacer (10mm) in the rear does make it look better once again as ThreeMBs said.
I wanted to also take the time to thank ThreeMBs for helping out as much as he did! Awesome dude!
Last edited by Billyismyname; Sep 14, 2023 at 12:16 AM.
hows the driving? much more harsh due to the bigger wheels? do you still have run flats or did you replace with non run flats?
Sorry for the late response. Driving is actually amazing compared to the original 18x8's and stock 19x8's that come on the car.
The wider tire/wheel gives it more grip and going in twists and lengthy corners on the highway at 80-90 MPH doesn't feel like it's going to make the car tip over. Having a wider contact patch with the asphalt is awesome and i missed it ever since i got rid of my W212 which had the same wheel size and tire size.
I replaced them for non-run flat tires. The ride is actually smoother with larger wheels without runflats. They're a lot more smooth, less noise, less harsher bumps, the whole 9 yards.
Only thing that sucked was when trying to buy the tires, the Continental DWS 06's were end of life and weren't being made anymore, and the new version (DWS 06 PLUS) tires didn't come out up until the other day. So i bought some cheapish tires for the time being (cost about 700$ total) but they absolutely suck in the snow. I cannot wait to put the Conti's on soon.
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