they said as in they are happy to not sell you the e450?

 

An E350 will take about 15 seconds or 1/2 mile to pass a car going 65 mph.

 

They would reorder a e450 if want too, but ? if i want to go through another 3 months. or
look into other opts

 

Like said, looking at other opts, may take the e 350 when comes but the C43 amg or glc 43 amg is looking
to have more interest right now, yeah different car characteristic but smaller with more zip is an opt

 

Well, you also lose the luxury of the W214.

 

From a dead stop maybe. Not sure how often someone would need to pass a car traveling at 65mph when they are starting from zero. In a typical on-ramp situation, you are not starting at zero. You are likely going 30mph or better as you round the corner of the ramp and then have at least 1000ft to accelerate to highway speed and there is not a need to pass a car at 65mph. Instead, merge in behind them and then accelerate further if you want to travel at 70+. I have never had an issue doing that in my E350 and can get up to highway speed plenty fast enough. In fact, I have never had an issue at all with needing more power from the E350. Now wanting more power? That is a different story.

 

I don't think you can compare a C-Class or GLC with an E-Class. The E is more luxurious in every way IMO. It really depends on your priorities. If you value performance over luxury then go for the C/GLC 43. If you want luxury then go with the E350. If you want both, go for an E43. I wanted a little more power but prioritize luxury so I went with the E450 which is a good middle of the road from a power perspective.

 

One important part of my idea of luxury is the feel of power when you mash on the pedal. No matter how plush a so called luxury car is, it just wouldn’t feel right to me without a strong surge when I hit the gas.
I personally would not settle for the “adequate” 4 banger in a 350. JMO. That’s why I ordered a 450.

 

I agree and ordered the E450 for the same reason. For those that do not mash the pedal and drive very casually 90% of the time, the E350 is a fine car with enough power for what they need. I'm surprised at the power of the 4 cylinder E350, but it's not enough for me. Again, it comes down to a personal preference of what you want in your car.

 

I'm not referring to merging from an on ramp. I'm referring to driving on a 2 lane road behind a car going 65 mph. That is starting from 65 mph, just behind the car being passed, and accelerating to 75 mph for passing. I've done a lot of 2 lane driving through hilly/mountain terrain and having a 1/2 mile clear stretch for passing can be rare. I simply leave my E300 at home and use a more highway capable car for traveling.

 

Why would you need to pass a car in front of you doing 65mph on a two lane road through mountainous terrain with lots of curves? At that speed, you are already going at least 10mph over since you're not likely to ever see a two lane mountain road in the US with a greater than 55mph speed limit. Not to mention, passing in that type of situation is quite dangerous for you and others on the road. For perhaps 99% of drivers, having someone in front of you doing 65mph would not only be a non-issue that required passing but you likely are not even keeping up with them in the turns for it to matter.

 

You've never driven in Nevada or Montana, have you? The current Montana speed limit on a 2 lane road is 70 mph and 80 mph on a 4 lane road. In Nevada it is 75 mph and 80 mph respectively. Not that long ago there were no highway speed limits in Montana or Nevada. Both states have lots of curving and twisting mountainous roads with 70 or 75 mph speed limits. If I can depart 15% later or arrive 15% sooner, it saves money.

 

Do you pass many cars going 80 mph? Better wait for a E63!

 

yes the c43 is not an e when talking comfort but the 1 test drove and floored. The wow
is there, i was surprised at that 4 cyl. Yes it is rough as a cob compared to an e, but
that amg does have the wow factor.. They want me to come and test a 350 and think
will find its all want for around town driving. when i talk acceleration its when pull out
onto the road and have good punch to get up speed without someone running up
your rear or when on the on ramp being about to merge into 70 mph traffic or should
say 80, which is what many are traveling. I usually stay to the right lane, around or
slightly under limit, leave the other 2 lane for the lane changers and hurriers. my days
in the other 2 lanes are past, just like cruise along and listen to pandora

 

No, I do not exceed the speed limit but I drive at the speed limit. If the speed limit is 75 and the car in front of me is driving 70, I'll pass at the first safe opportunity.

 

As I mentioned earlier in the thread I would not consider an E350 personally...but let's be realistic about its performance. It will do the 1/4 mile in 14.5 @ 95 mph...that's a dead stop to 95 mph in less than 15 seconds...

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...t-test-review/

 

wouldn’t you lose a lot of $ when it comes time to trade in the e350?

 

The numbers are not comparable. My passing numbers are limited to a starting speed of 65 mph and a final speed of 75 mph. I don't speed under any circumstances. After all that car being passed may be an unmarked police car.

 

How did you calculate these numbers? They seem a bit off to me. I can accelerate from 65 to 75 in about 3 seconds in a 2024 E350. I don't think it will take very long to pass a car in front of me doing 65. Certainly not 15 seconds.

 

The starting position is the safe driving distance behind the target car is 4 seconds or 381 feet.
You start to pass and accelerate from 65 mph to 75 mph (average 70 mph) for 4 seconds or 411 feet.
When you reach 75 mph the target has traveled 762 feet, and you have traveled 822 feet.
You are 60 feet or 2 seconds ahead of the target. You are traveling 30 ft/sec faster than the target.
To pass safely you need to be 381 feet ahead of the target. It will take another 10 seconds to complete.
Safe passing takes about 18 seconds. If you do not wish to grant the target a safe stopping distance
in case your car malfunctions, you could cut back in front of the target as soon as reaching 75 mph or 60 feet ahead.

 

^ Right. So you state the actual acceleration is 4 seconds. Is that the issue you have with the car? E450 is 1 second quicker 50-70 mph, 3.5 vs 4.5:

https://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-benz/e-class

 

This is rather silly actually since you would never pass another car with only a 10mph differential in speed unless you are on a multi-lane highway. 10mph is roughly 15fps when rounded. If you need to cover 762ft (381x2) it would take you 52 seconds at 15fps. Ignoring the length of the car, that is how long it would take if you could instantly accelerate from 65mph to 75mph. In reality, you would need to be going way faster than 75mph to pass in a reasonable amount of time. To do it in 15 seconds, you would have to instantly accelerate to 100mph (a 35mph or 51fps differential) if the car in front was doing 65mph. Doing this in an E350 verses E450 will not make a bit of difference. Even if the 450 could accelerate in half the time the 350 does.The passing speed is what matters most, far more than the time it takes to get there. You have setup a silly situation that is not based in reality and has no meaningful contributions to this thread.

 

Why wouldn't you pass a car anytime its speed is 10 mph less than the speed limit be it in town or on the highway? I pass cars going 10 mph slower than the speed limit every day. Florida has a law against driving less than the speed limit in other than the rightmost lane on multi-lane roads. The in-town non-interstate speed limits here vary from 15 mph to 60 mph. Would you pass a car going 5 mph in a 15 mph zone? The principle is the same. The scale is different.

 

Interesting article about MB and 4 bangers. Looks like we had better get used to them or move to another manufacturer. As long as the power is there, I don't care how many cylinders the engine has.

https://www.motor1.com/news/729311/m...-cylinder-amg/

 

An inline 4 cylinder engine is inherently unbalanced whereas an inline 6 cylinder is inherently balanced. Even the highly engineered MB 4 bangers have vibration issues that cannot be corrected. Power isn't as important to me as lack of vibration (smoothness). When I ordered my W213 E class, MB did not offer anything other than the 4 cylinder engine. I won't make that mistake again. If MB discontinues the M256 engine or an inline 6 isn't available, I'll spend my money elsewhere.