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I do believe that you are on to something with the phone and watch in passive entry mode causing the handles to stay retracted after multiple cycles of premature extension. If I could predict when the handles would stop extending, then that would be the final piece which could be used to confirm your theory on E handle extension and lack thereof. We are so close, but yet so far away from getting the last piece.
In the first round of testing, I tested two variables simultaneously: the number of extension cycles until failure to extend, and the length of time between not opening the door and failure to extend. Since the extension time was consistently 4 minutes and the handles failed to extend on the fifth cycle, I took a guess that the handle algorithm is "extend 4 cycles for 4 minutes each cycle, then stop extending if the door hasn't been opened." It seemed like something engineers would come up with. But then on the subsequent test where I activated the handles immediately after they retracted, the handles only extended for 3 cycles. The next test, with zero wait time after retraction, the handles extended for only one cycle. I'm obviously missing some piece of the handle extension logic, but don't have any good guesses as to what I'm missing.
Last edited by Mercuccio; Mar 12, 2026 at 03:57 PM.
I'm in Ottawa, ON, for business this week and we had an ice storm into yesterday morning. When i went out to the car there was 1/3-1/2" of ice on the entire car. The door handles popped right out, broke through the ice no stress at all.
I do believe that you are on to something with the phone and watch in passive entry mode causing the handles to stay retracted after multiple cycles of premature extension. If I could predict when the handles would stop extending, then that would be the final piece which could be used to confirm your theory on E handle extension and lack thereof. We are so close, but yet so far away from getting the last piece.
In the first round of testing, I tested two variables simultaneously: the number of extension cycles until failure to extend, and the length of time between not opening the door and failure to extend. Since the extension time was consistently 4 minutes and the handles failed to extend on the fifth cycle, I took a guess that the handle algorithm is "extend 4 cycles for 4 minutes each cycle, then stop extending if the door hasn't been opened." It seemed like something engineers would come up with. But then on the subsequent test where I activated the handles immediately after they retracted, the handles only extended for 3 cycles. The next test, with zero wait time after retraction, the handles extended for only one cycle. I'm obviously missing some piece of the handle extension logic, but don't have any good guesses as to what I'm missing.
I'm in Ottawa, ON, for business this week and we had an ice storm into yesterday morning. When i went out to the car there was 1/3-1/2" of ice on the entire car. The door handles popped right out, broke through the ice no stress at all.
https://www.npr.org/2026/02/03/nx-s1...r-door-handles
Last edited by Cao Black; Mar 12, 2026 at 07:21 PM.
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I will say that the handles have been extending automatically when I go in the garage now that passive entry is turned off on the digital keys.
https://www.npr.org/2026/02/03/nx-s1...r-door-handles
Mercedes already has a V-Class executive van in China, so they know the market. One doesn't need a powerful engine to be shuttled in Beijing traffic at 10 MPH. To be cost effective to operate in a Chinese city, it needs to be an EV. Mercedes might need to change to traditional door handles, and they can substitute a less powerful motor and the VLE is ready for China. There are already $50,000 EV executive mini-vans in China that are really nice. Ten years ago, the Chinese luxury van market was led by the Toyota Alphard and the Lexus LM. The Chinese manufacturers copied the Alphard, then made the copies more luxurious and less expensive. As of 2025, Mercedes were more refined than the Chinese domestic market EVs, and the Mercedes sound systems were better. The Chinese are already better at software and making a very cool entertainment screen. If the Chinese van is $50,000 and the Mercedes van is $100,000 and the refinement of the Chinese EV's is improving rapidly, I'd be worried about Chinese market share if I was Mercedes. For most people, a small amount of refinement won't be worth the premium that Mercedes will charge. There will always be a market in China for Maybach, G wagons, the S Class and VLE's. I'm just not sure that Mercedes can maintain more of the "main stream" market since Chinese vehicles are getting better rapidly. Market share percentage for Mercedes is sure to drop. I would imagine that the Mercedes strategy is to try to keep the volume the same as the Chinese auto market grows.
On my trip to China last summer, I was first driven in BYD EV sedans. Those are amazing for the price. Once we "upgraded" to the luxury EV mini-vans, those became our preferred mode of transportation. Our ride of choice was the Denza D9 van, which is not the top of the top, but still a great way to get around the city. See: DENZA D9 EV. I would pay $50,000 for a D9.
Now that long wheelbase limo sedans are practically dead in the US, this is a good time to trial an executive limo van in the USA. I fear luxury vans won't get traction in the US due to the "soccer mom" image, similar to the fate of wagons in the US. I'd be happy to have a garage with a VLE and an E53 wagon. I'd probably go with the hybrid version of the VLE unless they can get the projected range of the EV VLE to 400 miles up from 375 miles.
The VLE is a Chinese market vehicle that is made US ready by making the grill less gaudy and offering more power from the motor. Otherwise, the Asian executive van concept can work will in the US if people can overcome the 1980's Dodge Caravan image and think of it more as an S-Class and E-Class competitor.
DiDi which is like a Chinese Uber, now makes it easy to get a ride in a current model year, mid-sized BYD electric sedan. It is amazing how nice a $25,000 EV is in China. It is so much better now than riding in the 2010 Taxi Korean Corolla clones. But even better than DiDi, are the higher end ride services with the Denza D9 minivans. The last trip to China, I almost didn't want to leave. Although the Chinese have some doubts about their economy, as an outsider it is obvious how much normal living conditions are improving there. I first experienced a hotel robot in Beijing last year. It worked well. We tried a robot at a Marriott in Florida last month and the robot got stuck with our luggage cart in the elevator. When we freed it, the robot gave up at our hotel room and just stayed out in the hallway. If I had to bet on if China or the US wins the hotel robot race, I'd have to bet on China. It's a little sad considering that the US started the semiconductor and computer business and we had an ample head start on robotics.
One of the craziest car rides I experienced was a ride in a Corolla way out in the Chinese countryside. It was probably around 2012. We were on a long and straight two-lane road where you can see a mile ahead. The driver moves into the oncoming lane. There are two cars on the road as far as the eye can see. One is traveling towards us in its lane, the other is our car, in the same lane on the wrong side of the road driving straight at the other car. I was wondering why our driver was deciding to commit suicide by head-on collision. Then with a good three seconds to spare, he returns to our lane. We calmly inquire as to why he was driving the in the opposing lane. He responds that there is a toll camera in our lane and he avoided the toll by moving into oncoming traffic.
Some Chinese cars that I'd like to buy in the US are the extended wheelbase BMW 3 series and Audi A4. But it would have to be a long wheelbase S4 or 340ix, which probably doesn't exist in any market ...yet. Wouldn't an extended wheelbase S4 or 340iX be cool?
I'd really like the Mercedes VLE to come in AMG Lite form as in a VLE 53 PHEV, but we're lucky just to get the E53 wagon. The black Alcantara seating with red seatbelts in the VLE AMG Line preview provides some hope that a VLE 53 PHEV reaches the US shores someday. One thing I don't need is extending the VLE wheelbase another 6 inches in a VLS. The VLE is already 4 inches longer than a GLS.
Last edited by Mercuccio; Mar 13, 2026 at 10:28 PM.
Here's the similar extended range Buick: The Flagship Buick Minivan You Never Knew You Wanted | Carscoops. starting a little below $70,000.
Here is the Carscoops article on Lexus LM 2026 updates. It starts around $100,000: Lexus’ $100,000 Luxury Minivan Picks Up A Few Strange New Tricks | Carscoops
In the US, the market of Luxury minivans may be the Mercedes VLE only, which is too bad. These luxury vans make excellent sedan limo substitutes.









