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Gulf wars was not about oil why would we for 4% of our oil imports?
Not oil we use daily but 4% of the oil we import.
This Tiny amount which could be made up for by opening taps a bit more in USA.
Uh huh, Gulf Wars not about oil. I get what you are saying (although not entirely true, because you are talking about post shale revolution), but what you are missing is it is a *global* oil market. It is naive to think something as complicated as global crude supply is geofenced to the US and it is totally disconnected from the rest of the world's supply. It is a delicate balance involving many countries, shipping, refining, with all sorts of products crisscrossing the oceans constantly. You need to do some more quality research on the global energy supply to grasp its complexities, and why the US has a vested interest in providing safe passage and keeping a lid on the Middle East. I usually don't get sucked into this sort of trolling, and will bow out here, and hopefully we can get back on topic.
Wonder how EV charging is effecting grid during this extreme country wide heatwave?
Was reading about Texas grid under extreme stress and could go poof.
Wonder how EV charging is effecting grid during this extreme country wide heatwave?
Was reading about Texas grid under extreme stress and could go poof.
"WE need more power CAPTAIN."
Texas needs an additional 6-10 Nuclear Power Plants. Solar and Wind Farms not enough...
Wonder how EV charging is effecting grid during this extreme country wide heatwave?
Was reading about Texas grid under extreme stress and could go poof.
"WE need more power CAPTAIN."
We need more homes with Solar.
Public charging cost pretty much the same as filling up with Gas.
I spend about $50 a month charging my car from at home. Compare that to the $60+ I would spend to fill up my S-Class. weekly or more.
Right now I spend $0 on public charging because of the two years free EA. But the public charging costs are usually around the same price that it would cost for a full tank of gas.
Zero for me...solar on roof, and free EA charging. Not sure how the article did their math, but charging at home should be for most people about 10 cents per kw x 100, if battery is fully depleted equals $10. My regular gas guzzling Mercedes is currently about $5/gallon for premium x21 gallon equals $105.
My electricty after all the taxes and fees and environmental fees is varies monthly but is roughly 13 to 15.5 cents per kWhr
Wish it was 10 cents - but yes local electricity prices will have impact and recharge cost plus paying electrician to run new wires and 240VAC outlet to garage.
Zero for me...solar on roof, and free EA charging. Not sure how the article did their math, but charging at home should be for most people about 10 cents per kw x 100, if battery is fully depleted equals $10. My regular gas guzzling Mercedes is currently about $5/gallon for premium x21 gallon equals $105.
They probably used the national average. The generation charge might be 10 cents / kwh, but to that comes the transportation charges from the utility, which can easily double it or more. Around here the fully loaded cost of a kWh is ~33 cents for Tier 1 and goes up from there. Tier 2 is already ~42 cents.
Also, for solar have to count the amortization cost of the whole installation. It's not free. My neighbor just installed solar. For the next 10 years, he's gonna pay as much as he did for electricity to pay it off first, and then hopefully it pays for itself for a few years until he needs to replace panels and/or the inverter incurring new costs.
My bill varies, of course, but I can tell you that I charge about every 4-5 days, and my bill is consistently about 40-50 dollars a month more than before I bought my car. The ChargePoint app confirms this amount with estimated costs based on my utility's rates (which are fixed, no monitary incentive to charge at night). That's just a little more than a half tank of gas for my wife's AMG GLE53.
This thread has really gone haywire. Solar is indeed free, if you have already crossed the payback threshold. Yes, your experience may vary regarding kwh, but regardless of if you have a rate of 10 or 15 cents/kwh, the article author flunked 6th grade math. We're lucky in Iowa that our primary utility provider daily gets 50% of its power from wind farms, occasionally hitting 100%. I believe we have some of the lowest rates in the US. I'm about to make a trip to Lincoln NE in my gas guzzler today--will cost about $125 in gasoline. I'm not a math genius, but I believe that is more than the electric equivalent of $12, or free if I used EA on the trip.
This thread has really gone haywire. Solar is indeed free, if you have already crossed the payback threshold. Yes, your experience may vary regarding kwh, but regardless of if you have a rate of 10 or 15 cents/kwh, the article author flunked 6th grade math. We're lucky in Iowa that our primary utility provider daily gets 50% of its power from wind farms, occasionally hitting 100%. I believe we have some of the lowest rates in the US. I'm about to make a trip to Lincoln NE in my gas guzzler today--will cost about $125 in gasoline. I'm not a math genius, but I believe that is more than the electric equivalent of $12, or free if I used EA on the trip.
FWIW, as of earlier this year the average electricity rate in the US is about 23 cents based on data from EnergySage. Some states have seen significant increases since last year. New Hampshire's rates for example have gone up almost 40%.
That would be an argument for going solar. Last time I checked the sun hasn't raised it's rates.
We've put solar on two houses over the years, with both times paying back in full plus. Very happy with the projects. Plus, we now have Tesla Powerwalls. We will be the new most popular people in our neighborhood if the grid every goes down.
It was a trip to pick up a bunch of parts for my CL--thought I may need it. Plus, the CL is arguably one of the best road cars ever, so fun to take sometimes.
I had solar quoted for my house to cover 100% of load.
So my bill would be 0.00
Price was a crazy $74k before those tax rebates. this was 2018 dollars.
Payback was 29 yrs before I broke even
Then I would have to pretty much replace panel as by year 30 he output is down or they stop working.
Big issue local power buys back excess during the day (which was supposed to cover night usage) paid WHOLESALE rate which at the time was like 5cents or so that sucked as forced more panels to make up difference in Kwhr price.
Plus them panels is UGLYYYYYYY.
Solar may work for some, may be cheaper now I dunno... I want it but cannot afford it. (hence those tax kick backs where my neighbors w/o solar bascially pay some of my electric bill)
2023 EQE 500 SUV electric and 2024 Jaguar F-PACE SVR 5.0L
The gulf war was a mop-up operation to get rid of people who had outlived their usefulness. Bin Laden was great when he was fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and Saddam was wonderful when he was fighting the Ayatollah in Iran. The government just needed and excuse and the controlled demolition of skyscrapers that had been condemned for asbestos was the perfect opportunity. That's why we didn't bomb Saudi Arabia, despite 15 of 19 "hijackers" being from that country.
Anywho, as for Texas energy costs, I did the math. Charging from 20%-80% once a week costs me less than $8 per month, at off-peak rates. I'm not counting thee fixed "fuel factor" that kicks in at 1000 kWh as I exceed that in the summer regardless due to A/C.
I looked into adding solar to my home in SWFL. It would take 12 years to recoup initial cost. Over 20 years if I added 2 batteries to power the home.
Not for me at least at my age (64).
And that's with the govt tax incentive which will be phased out soon. Good luck selling solar then.
I looked into adding solar to my home in SWFL. It would take 12 years to recoup initial cost. Over 20 years if I added 2 batteries to power the home.
Not for me at least at my age (64).
And that's with the govt tax incentive which will be phased out soon. Good luck selling solar then.
Agree.....I'd love to have it, but it is very expensive. However, not sure I trust the Texas grid, so I have a new Generac which runs on natural gas installed and waiting. Comes on every other Monday for five minutes and then sends me a report that all is well. Have only had two power outages since it was installed last year, but it was sure nice to have the whole house powered during those times.
Agree.....I'd love to have it, but it is very expensive. However, not sure I trust the Texas grid, so I have a new Generac which runs on natural gas installed and waiting. Comes on every other Monday for five minutes and then sends me a report that all is well. Have only had two power outages since it was installed last year, but it was sure nice to have the whole house powered during those times.
Even though I have a portable 5kw Honda Generator and a transfer switch from which I am able to run all appliances, lights, fans, and a portable ac unit, I also contracted for a whole house including central AC Generac. Unfortunately, here in SWFL, I have to run it on propane.
I have a Briggs & Stratton 27kW generator for my house on propane which is IMHO better.
A Propane genset will develops more power and hence more kW for same than Natural Gas due to more energy in propane.
I have Big 500 gal tank iper calcs I will get 5-12 days on it.
I have good relationship with 2 propane companies who both assured me they know they will be vital after any storm to deliver propane since a lot of pees have gensets now and some use propane for cooking and heating.
Sometimes during hurricanes, the gas company may turn off gas in hard hit areas due to chance of leaks.
I have a Briggs & Stratton 27kW generator for my house on propane which is IMHO better.
A Propane genset will develops more power and hence more kW for same than Natural Gas due to more energy in propane.
I have Big 500 gal tank iper calcs I will get 5-12 days on it.
I have good relationship with 2 propane companies who both assured me they know they will be vital after any storm to deliver propane since a lot of pees have gensets now and some use propane for cooking and heating.
Sometimes during hurricanes, the gas company may turn off gas in hard hit areas due to chance of leaks.
I have
Based on my past usage, I will get at least 2 weeks using a 500 gallon propane tank. I already spoke with the propane supplier and we will be on auto-fill and be priority if we have are low on propane
and have no electricity.
During Winter storm Uri, when much of Texas' grid failed (including at my house), natural gas was still on. I heated my house for many hours with our gas fireplace. Wish I had had the Generac then. There are no unfalable solutions. Solar panels covered with snow do not work, ask the guy across the street from me. I can switch to propane fairly easily, but prefer natural gas at present. I actually don't expect doomsday, and hurricanes are the reason I don't live on the coast. But, we all gotta do what we gotta do.
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