S_W222

EQS 580 Pinnacle with 21' AMG Wheels, how many miles realistically does the car do for:

1. Highway pure driving say 70-85 MPG ups and downs.
2. Combined
3. In-town only?

I know the EPA range... but curious about real-life. If you do report your range, please indicate the battery span for your range (like is that 100 down to 0 or 20% to 90%).

Also, what does Mercedes recommend to keep the battery in good health? stay always between 10 to 90% or 20 to 80? or what?

Thanks, just trying to know more about the car compared to Tesla MS stuff. Any other stuff, please share.

c4004matic

Last couple of days with temps in the low 80s Ive been getting 420 miles on the highway at 65 to 75 mph. AMAZING! Best frigging car EVER.

S_W222

But that’s way higher even than EPA range… what wheel size do you have?

c4004matic

Its a 580, thus 21's.
After 14k miles, it seems Im getting even longer range! I just had 3 dealer updates. I wonder if there was some new logic that increased the range, two of them were safety recalls. Solved the acceleration hesitation and highway ghosting when passing large vehicles. And of course, Also recieved the over the air update for self driving system last mth. It looks like the software is fianally debugged and fully matured.
Still hoping for the carwash mode and manual raising for the syspension....

MBNUT1

It will be because in the winter it will be a lot less. EPA is for all conditions.

c4004matic

True but even at -20F Im geting 275! But I have to keep at 65.mph and the heat at 65 too!

S_W222

Not sure if that is true. I think EPA tests most of the vehicles under the same conditions, usually somewhere between 60-80 degF, I don’t recall the exact conditions, but it’s not like they factor in extreme winter and extreme summer. The fact that EPA is 340 or 350 miles, wherein some users manage to get even more than that, is like a 25 MPG ICE EPA rating, with someone managing to get 30-32 MPG highway.

I would have loved to see if the people whop reported 400+ range would have at least reported the speed (was it 65MPG max all the time which is lower than US average highways), was it with AC off or set to very soft temperature? What wheel sizes and pressure? Were they driving on Eco or Range type of mode? My point is, I find it hard to believe that it was just a normal driving style with AC on and stuff like that to get that much higher than EPA…. I could be wrong, but I’d like to understand. I am not aiming on getting an EQS at his point of time, my cars will continue to be mainly ICE cars, but at some point I think it’s good for me to start educating myself and heating from others about EVs.

I learned from some Tesla owners that the reported 405 miles for Tesla MS LR in real life is closer to 340 miles. I am trying to understand why mercedes owners are actually reporting the opposite (higher than Mbenz or EPA range itself).

js_cls

Most EQS reports seem to be well above EPA. I know Car and Driver got 350 miles during their 75mph Highway Range Test.

Most German EV's seem to do better than EPA testing while Tesla's consistently get lower.

c4004matic

There are 2 ways to estimate range for EPA purposes, the one taht Tesla uses which over promises and underdelivers and the one that almost all other manufacturers use which overdelivers consistently. AKA Tesla BSs their numbers while other manufacturers try to be as acurate as possible. In general I usually get the EPA 340 miles at 70 t0 75 at 60 degress plus. If its over 90 a little less. Since I live in the upper midwest I rarely encounter days over the low 90's. I rarely use the AC in comfort since the eco is usually more than adequate to maintain 70 degree cabin.. Another fake Tesla pushes around is how great their heat pump is, on the other hand yhere are multiple reports of Teslas losing up to 50% range in cold conditions. In my experience with temperatures of up to -20F the EQS loses only 20% of its EPA rated, 340 miles. When its below 0F I keep the cabin at 65 and in the AC in ECO+. I also limit my speed to 65. I really don't understand why anyone would drive any faster when temperatures are that low and when even dry road conditions are extraordinarily hazardous with glare ice possible on any road regardless of how well cleared or maintained.

MBNUT1

EPA Methodology

hlothery

It is also important which model you are talking about. I have a single motor 450+, which is a mileage star. I am getting, real world in 100+ temps, about 380 miles on an 80% charge in mixed city/highway driving (the car's SOC may estimate 400, but I actually get around 380). I am going 70-75 on the highways, and using strong recuperation and one pedal driving when in city traffic, which is about half the time. My AC is set at 74, fan on the 4th level, all the time in Summer. In Winter, when the temps fall below 50, I am getting much less....usually around 330 on an 80% charge. You will get less with an SUV than with a sedan, and less if you are a lead foot. Several EVs (read the Edmunds mileage tests) get more than the EPA rating in actual mileage. Tesla is one of the few manufacturers who cannot actuallly achieve the EPA estimated range. Hope this helps you.
Addendum: 21 inch wheels, 41PSI in tires.

S_W222

Based on all of the above, it appears to me, that in order to own a true EV that truly delivers 400 miles minimum under any and all conditions including winter months you would need a manufacturer claimed mileage of 500 miles. Lucid is the only manufacturer that claims a range of 500 miles or so; however, they don’t seem to have enough service centers in the US beside a few centers in a couple of states, hence they are not ready yet.

c4004matic

This is for gas models. For EVs there is no standardized single procedure. Many people are hoping the EPA will at some time come up with a single industry wide standard. Finally, the EPA doesn't test any cars. They have established protocols which the manufacturers must follow to do their own tests and then report to the EPA. For EV's there are 2 testing protocols that they may choose to use. In fact, as of late, Tesla has been forced to lower their estimates downward since even though they use the most advantageous protocol, they still go further and try to cheat further. 🙄

hlothery

And they've had some growing issues, many of which are solved now. The lack of service centers is the reason I would not consider one, as I would have to drive from San Antonio to DFW or Houston for service. Battery tech is rapidly advancing. In the near future, when we switch from graphite based lithium to silicone or other base material, range is expected to improve. Also, my numbers were for 80%, you can get more for a trip if you charge occasionally to 100%. For my personal, regional, everyday use, the EQS range is very nice. I charge about every 4-5 days at home, and it is costing me about 40-50 dollars per month. Just FYI. Hope your future EV journey is as exciting as mine has been.

AppleFan1

I can vouch that my annual average range is right around 380 miles at 100% SOC on my EQS580. My estimate is 435 from April into October and around 325 from November to March. My range is higher than what c4004matic is experiencing in the winter since where I live, it’s not as consistently frigid in the winter.

c4004matic

I consider the winter range excellent given that even in basicly artic condition the car still privides longer range than most EVs in normal temps.

S_W222

I will enjoy V8 and V12 cars for at least 2 more years before I consider EVs. Next for me is the BMW B7 Alpina and I already made 99% of the deal done including reserving the vehicle. Should be all done by next Monday otherwise all my reserve money will go down the drain . I’ll be around the EQS forum for sometime over the next 2 years and excited to hear from all of you how things will progress with regards to range and other stuff as MB makes further progress.

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MBNUT1

EPA applies a 0.7 scalar to their test results

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/te...ons-laboratory

hlothery

When I had my M4 and M550, I often considered the Alpina as my next vehicle. What a fantastic vehicle! Good luck with it, and I hope you enjoy it.

AppleFan1

That’s for sure. Btw, I just checked the MB Connect app and at 100% SOC the range is 463.5 miles. The outside conditions have been pretty ideal. Temperatures have be mostly in the low 80s with light winds over the past week+. For what it’s worth, I set the AC to 76-78 since hate to feel cold air blowing on me. I easily get the sniffles when the blower sends cold air towards me.