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Old Aug 25, 2024 | 09:09 PM
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Comparison of Mercedes Burmester Audio Systems and where the EQS Fits

I found this interesting link where Burmester explains all the audio systems they offer to Mercedes. There are 4 tiers:

https://www.burmester.de/en/automoti...z-soundsystem/
  1. Burmester High-End 4D system (31 speakers, 1750 Watts) - Option on S-Class and S-Class Maybach
  2. Burmester High-End 3D system (17-26 speakers, 1220-1570 Watts) - Option GLS, AMG GT, AMG SL, GLE, E-class and CLS)
  3. Burmester 3D (15 speakers, 710 Watts) - Standard on EQS, EQE and S-Class, Optional on C-Class
  4. Burmester Surround (11-14 speakers, 550-650 watts) - Optional or Standard on various Mercedes model
So the only option we receive on the EQS is the third tier. Now I have to say this is what I did believe to be the case, because having had a "Burmester High-End 3D system" in my previous car - the 2018 Porsche Panamera Turbo S - I did find the Burmester to in the EQS to be well short of that. However the version in the EQS is a little better than the Burmester Surround system which I used to have in my 911 Turbo S, and in my wife's GLE.

Having heard all of these systems, here is my rating - which may be useful if you are buying another Mercedes:
  1. Burmester High-End 4D - 10/10 - Simply the best audio I have heard in a car ever. Off the charts. If you like audio - this is heaven,
  2. Burmester High-End 3D - 9/10 - The difference between the High-End 3D and 4D is subtle. Both are very high end audiophile systems and will offer a wow experience to anyone.
  3. Burmester 3D - 7/10 - This system is very good, but I would say it is not audiophile grade. It has excellent clarity and volume, it is well balanced, and it has a good soundstage. However the issue with it is that likes as much dynamic range as the High-End systems. There is something missing that the average listener might not notice, but anyone who has access to audiophile equipment will notice. And BTW to be clear I notice this difference not just with music, but also when listening to something like a Podcast.
  4. Burmester Surround - 5.5/10. This sound system doesn't butcher the music but it doesn't do it justice either. I would say it is acceptable but not enjoyable. The only thing I can say positive about this system is that it doesn't butcher the music like the Bose system in my Porsche 718 (which is the only car I have ever had to replace the OEM speakers).

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Old Aug 26, 2024 | 09:42 AM
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Having heard all except the first option, I would agree with the assessment. The third tier Burmester in my EQS is quite good, but falls short of some of the best Bowers and Wilkins systems I have owned in other vehicles like my BMW 7 series, the B&O Advanced in my A8, or even the bespoke system in my Karma Revero.
I wish the higher-end Burmesters were available on the EQS as I would certainly spring for it. If EVs continue to exist, I may look at the Lucid Air Grand Touring as a potential daily driver.
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Old Aug 26, 2024 | 10:05 AM
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Having heard all except the first option, I would agree with the assessment. The third tier Burmester in my EQS is quite good, but falls short of some of the best Bowers and Wilkins systems I have owned in other vehicles like my BMW 7 series, the B&O Advanced in my A8, or even the bespoke system in my Karma Revero.
I wish the higher-end Burmesters were available on the EQS as I would certainly spring for it. If EVs continue to exist, I may look at the Lucid Air Grand Touring as a potential daily driver.
EVs will continue to exist. I think there is a bit of mass hysteria going on by the media, but it is worth noting new EV sales in Q2 were at a record high.

The thing that hurts is the resale value, but I also think there is some hysteria by used car buyers. The reality is these are some of the most reliable cars you can buy in terms of long-term reliability and minimal maintenance. Because the motors and batteries last a long time. I still see 10 year old Teslas driving around.
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#1 sends you into the fourth dimension where time has no meaning so it must be awesome.

The only thing wrong with the sound system in my Pinnacle trim EQE 500 SUV is the subwoofer is tiny and feels like its under my feet near the bottom of the dash. Give me a subwoofer under my butt from the "4D" system and it'd be perfect. I really don't need/want a huge subwoofer in the trunk or all those other speakers. It's a car not a movie theater.
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Old Aug 26, 2024 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot
EVs will continue to exist. I think there is a bit of mass hysteria going on by the media, but it is worth noting new EV sales in Q2 were at a record high.

The thing that hurts is the resale value, but I also think there is some hysteria by used car buyers. The reality is these are some of the most reliable cars you can buy in terms of long-term reliability and minimal maintenance. Because the motors and batteries last a long time. I still see 10 year old Teslas driving around.
Many of the used EVs may go to first-time EV owners and might have a high likelihood of converting them permanently from ICE. We're experiencing a dip now but there's a good chance it'll bounce upward again in 5-10yrs with an extra bounce if solid state ever comes to fruition.

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Names are meaningless marketing junk these days. I'm pretty sure my EQE SUV is only an "E" price-wise. In all other respects it's a closer match to a GLC ICE vehicle. So I expect the same nonsense applies to their audio system. #1 is most likely for people who have more money than brains. Here's an example of how nVidia has been conning consumers lately, with Wall Street's blessings:


If China produced a graphics card that was better and cost less I'm sure our politicians would put a 100% tariff on it (as with EVs) to force us to keep buying nVidia. That's what they call "free-market economics", baby!

And if Wolfman deletes this post too I'm never going to post here again, ahole!
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It would have been nice to offer the 3D and or 4D as an upgrade. As of now (atleast with the cars I own) I would rank the audio systems in the following order

1. Bowers and Willkins in the X7
2. Bang and Olufsen in the Q7
3. Burmester in the EQS.

This is a bit odd considering the EQS is the most expensive of the lot
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Old Aug 27, 2024 | 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by anandhan
It would have been nice to offer the 3D and or 4D as an upgrade. As of now (atleast with the cars I own) I would rank the audio systems in the following order

1. Bowers and Willkins in the X7
2. Bang and Olufsen in the Q7
3. Burmester in the EQS.

This is a bit odd considering the EQS is the most expensive of the lot
I am surprised 2 is better than 3 but I guess this all boils down to the specs. The problem is the tier 3 system in the EQS. I think the higher Burmester Tiers would crush any B&O.

For my cars I would rank:
1. Rivian Meridien Elevation
2) Mercedes EQS Burmester 3D
3) Porsche 718 Bose

I would rate any Burmester High-End system above all of these. I would also rate the 710W Bose from the Taycan above the 710W Burmester in the EQS - but this may be due to better acoustics and a smaller cabin.
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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot
I found this interesting link where Burmester explains all the audio systems they offer to Mercedes. There are 4 tiers:

https://www.burmester.de/en/automoti...z-soundsystem/
  1. Burmester High-End 4D system (31 speakers, 1750 Watts) - Option on S-Class and S-Class Maybach
  2. Burmester High-End 3D system (17-26 speakers, 1220-1570 Watts) - Option GLS, AMG GT, AMG SL, GLE, E-class and CLS)
  3. Burmester 3D (15 speakers, 710 Watts) - Standard on EQS, EQE and S-Class, Optional on C-Class
  4. Burmester Surround (11-14 speakers, 550-650 watts) - Optional or Standard on various Mercedes model
So the only option we receive on the EQS is the third tier. Now I have to say this is what I did believe to be the case, because having had a "Burmester High-End 3D system" in my previous car - the 2018 Porsche Panamera Turbo S - I did find the Burmester to in the EQS to be well short of that. However the version in the EQS is a little better than the Burmester Surround system which I used to have in my 911 Turbo S, and in my wife's GLE.

Having heard all of these systems, here is my rating - which may be useful if you are buying another Mercedes:
  1. Burmester High-End 4D - 10/10 - Simply the best audio I have heard in a car ever. Off the charts. If you like audio - this is heaven,
  2. Burmester High-End 3D - 9/10 - The difference between the High-End 3D and 4D is subtle. Both are very high end audiophile systems and will offer a wow experience to anyone.
  3. Burmester 3D - 7/10 - This system is very good, but I would say it is not audiophile grade. It has excellent clarity and volume, it is well balanced, and it has a good soundstage. However the issue with it is that likes as much dynamic range as the High-End systems. There is something missing that the average listener might not notice, but anyone who has access to audiophile equipment will notice. And BTW to be clear I notice this difference not just with music, but also when listening to something like a Podcast.
  4. Burmester Surround - 5.5/10. This sound system doesn't butcher the music but it doesn't do it justice either. I would say it is acceptable but not enjoyable. The only thing I can say positive about this system is that it doesn't butcher the music like the Bose system in my Porsche 718 (which is the only car I have ever had to replace the OEM speakers).
Nice write up and interesting information. I'm a simpleton though because I'm plenty happy with my level 4 Burmester system in my EQB, let alone our EQS.
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Nice write up and interesting information. I'm a simpleton though because I'm plenty happy with my level 4 Burmester system in my EQB, let alone our EQS.
Most people would be. All of the Burmester are excellent which is not something I would say for B&O or Bose.
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I think the "basic" EWS system is superb. If it lacks anything its in the deep bass and in maximum power which is modest but more than loud enough. The mids and highs are superb. As standard equipment I haven't heard better.
Heres a vid I took about about a year ago. The audio is 24/96 and recorded with a studio grade Rode stereo mic. Use headphones for proper enjoyment.

Sounds pretty good if you ask ne.

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This thread is quite entertaining in a very good way. Considering that sound reproduction involves the enclosure (room or car interior) that you are listening in. Nothing I've heard in a car sound more accurate, spatial, and relaxing than at home. But since we are talking about car interior and sound, nothing beats the quietness and ambient sound (or lack thereof) of an EQS, whether you're idling or cutting the wind at triple digits, there's very little external sound to muddy your music especially on smooth asphalt tops.
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