Range Rover LWB move to G63 thoughts
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Totally agree with you on the RR over X7 and GLS. Drove X7 again yesterday and believe this even more strongly now.
Bummed to hear G63 may be lacking as far as power, great handling, and comfort. I knew it had less room than LWB (everything does pretty much) but still was hoping it would be both comfortable and fun to drive. Wife not on board with both RR and G. She has a GLE and may be moving to the Cayenne a few months after my purchase. Thx for your thoughts.
Bummed to hear G63 may be lacking as far as power, great handling, and comfort. I knew it had less room than LWB (everything does pretty much) but still was hoping it would be both comfortable and fun to drive. Wife not on board with both RR and G. She has a GLE and may be moving to the Cayenne a few months after my purchase. Thx for your thoughts.
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Thanks for your contribution but it’s irrelevant for g63...you don’t have the 2019-20 G63. It’s apples and oranges. I’m also not sure if you have experience owning SC5.0 L405? New G63 is a very good all rounder including road trips and DD, just not as spacious as RR.
Also plenty of drag tests videos out there for g63 vs SVR (RRS SVR 5.0 is quicker than any SC5.0 RR - I owned 2x L405 ATB SC5.0 RR - of course all stock)
Here’s one of the many videos on YouTube 2:30-3:10 (12.3sec vs 12.9sec 1/4 mile)
https://youtu.be/8ye7Vh-_b50
Also plenty of drag tests videos out there for g63 vs SVR (RRS SVR 5.0 is quicker than any SC5.0 RR - I owned 2x L405 ATB SC5.0 RR - of course all stock)
Here’s one of the many videos on YouTube 2:30-3:10 (12.3sec vs 12.9sec 1/4 mile)
https://youtu.be/8ye7Vh-_b50
the beater l322 I got has the jaguar 4.2 SC which is supposed to be the most reliable SC engine they made alongside the NA 4.4 of those years 06-09. The 10+ 5.0 an/sc l322 engines have issues with timing chain and guides otherwise I would have gone with that. Plus they sound amazing.
I have driven the new G63 extensively. While the new G has much more power and comfort and refiness compared to the old G it’s still not as refined/comfortable as a 5.0 sc l405 IMO. And it does not handle as good as the l405 (better than the old G yes).
also even the old g63 was supposed to be super fast in straight line compared to other performance SUV but that power is useless with the handling.
That’s the best part of the online enthusiast community. We all have opinions that is my two cents. Doesn’t mean that I’m right or your wrong.
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The new RR will be 2023 model for the US. The ROW will see it in 2022. This is according to several higher up at my LR dealer and history itself. And several discussion on the UK LR forums.
LR has always done a 10 year cycle and that will never change.
I would stick with your LWB and add a G63 or wait a few years and add one. You won’t be able to replace with the G63.
both totally different trucks and experiences
I would take a l405 any day over a x7 or a gls
LR has always done a 10 year cycle and that will never change.
I would stick with your LWB and add a G63 or wait a few years and add one. You won’t be able to replace with the G63.
both totally different trucks and experiences
I would take a l405 any day over a x7 or a gls
I have owned both a new G63 and a 2019 Range Rover and love them both (above any other every day vehicles I have owned with the exception of the Urus) and will say the Range Rover is still more comfortable, especially for rear seat occupants. If you have giant kids, the Range Rover is better.
OP, I would wait for the new Range Rover. From what I have read, it will be a technological masterpiece with autonomous driving, a fully electric version and the performance version will get the beastly BMW S63 engines (same one that propels the BMW X3M competition from 0-60 in 3 seconds). Also read it will get a big price increase and will be significantly more luxurious to close the gap between it and Bentley.
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It's a real shame that they will be using the S63. The S63 when it first came out was notoriously unreliable with injector issues, rod bearing issues, etc back in 2009. The revised S63tu which I had the unfortunate pleasure of owning two of them was just as bad with the same issues alongside valve seals. The newest revision of the S63 is STILL having the same exact issues. Cousins 2018 M5 just last week had a full failure of two stuck open injectors. Was curious but did a quick search in the facebook owners group many reports of injectors hydrolocking motors, bearings failing early etc.
Not sure why BMW just doesn't fix the issues but instead just patches them.
The same saga with the N63 motor (injectors, bearings) also more timing chain and valve seal issues. They are on the third of fourth revision of the N63 but the new TT V8 models still face the same issues.
I guess LR didn't learn their lesson from BMW back in 03-05 when they were using the M62 engines. Anyone remember the fun times with those motors?
Sorry for going OT
Not sure why BMW just doesn't fix the issues but instead just patches them.
The same saga with the N63 motor (injectors, bearings) also more timing chain and valve seal issues. They are on the third of fourth revision of the N63 but the new TT V8 models still face the same issues.
I guess LR didn't learn their lesson from BMW back in 03-05 when they were using the M62 engines. Anyone remember the fun times with those motors?
Sorry for going OT
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It's a real shame that they will be using the S63. The S63 when it first came out was notoriously unreliable with injector issues, rod bearing issues, etc back in 2009. The revised S63tu which I had the unfortunate pleasure of owning two of them was just as bad with the same issues alongside valve seals. The newest revision of the S63 is STILL having the same exact issues. Cousins 2018 M5 just last week had a full failure of two stuck open injectors. Was curious but did a quick search in the facebook owners group many reports of injectors hydrolocking motors, bearings failing early etc.
Not sure why BMW just doesn't fix the issues but instead just patches them.
The same saga with the N63 motor (injectors, bearings) also more timing chain and valve seal issues. They are on the third of fourth revision of the N63 but the new TT V8 models still face the same issues.
I guess LR didn't learn their lesson from BMW back in 03-05 when they were using the M62 engines. Anyone remember the fun times with those motors?
Sorry for going OT
Not sure why BMW just doesn't fix the issues but instead just patches them.
The same saga with the N63 motor (injectors, bearings) also more timing chain and valve seal issues. They are on the third of fourth revision of the N63 but the new TT V8 models still face the same issues.
I guess LR didn't learn their lesson from BMW back in 03-05 when they were using the M62 engines. Anyone remember the fun times with those motors?
Sorry for going OT
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It will attempt do so using not only its unique heritage but also technological advancements in powertrains, autonomous driving systems and infotainment.
Electric variants of other Range Rovers will subsequently be offered as part of normal model line-ups, including a version of the full-size Range Rover set for launch before 2022 and aimed chiefly at Asian megacities.
While Land Rover readies an electric Range Rover, the new model will continue with plug-in hybrid technology recently introduced in an update to the existing Range Rover.
While Land Rover readies an electric Range Rover, the new model will continue with plug-in hybrid technology recently introduced in an update to the existing Range Rover.
The new flagship will also get an advanced version of the so-called Smart settings, first shown on the Jaguar E-Pace. The artificial intelligence system pre-empts occupants’ habits – for example, seat and mirror positions and display preferences – as well adjusting air-con according to the weather.
Land Rover’s connected car technology will in due course offer features such as being able to unlock your front door, switch on the kitchen lights and even turn on your TV while you’re on your way home.
The next Range Rover could also spearhead Jaguar Land Rover’s advanced autonomous driving systems. The company is already well under way with trialling self-driving technology as part of the UK Autodrive project. Technology such as a vehicle being able to drive to an available parking space and self-park is currently being tested on Discovery prototypes
Land Rover’s connected car technology will in due course offer features such as being able to unlock your front door, switch on the kitchen lights and even turn on your TV while you’re on your way home.
The next Range Rover could also spearhead Jaguar Land Rover’s advanced autonomous driving systems. The company is already well under way with trialling self-driving technology as part of the UK Autodrive project. Technology such as a vehicle being able to drive to an available parking space and self-park is currently being tested on Discovery prototypes
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New Range Rover will be unveiled next year and will go on sale soon after. It will be a late 2021 model. 2020 is the last Range Rover in it's current form. 10 year thing doesn't work anymore now that they have heightened competition.
I have owned both a new G63 and a 2019 Range Rover and love them both (above any other every day vehicles I have owned with the exception of the Urus) and will say the Range Rover is still more comfortable, especially for rear seat occupants. If you have giant kids, the Range Rover is better.
OP, I would wait for the new Range Rover. From what I have read, it will be a technological masterpiece with autonomous driving, a fully electric version and the performance version will get the beastly BMW S63 engines (same one that propels the BMW X3M competition from 0-60 in 3 seconds). Also read it will get a big price increase and will be significantly more luxurious to close the gap between it and Bentley.
I have owned both a new G63 and a 2019 Range Rover and love them both (above any other every day vehicles I have owned with the exception of the Urus) and will say the Range Rover is still more comfortable, especially for rear seat occupants. If you have giant kids, the Range Rover is better.
OP, I would wait for the new Range Rover. From what I have read, it will be a technological masterpiece with autonomous driving, a fully electric version and the performance version will get the beastly BMW S63 engines (same one that propels the BMW X3M competition from 0-60 in 3 seconds). Also read it will get a big price increase and will be significantly more luxurious to close the gap between it and Bentley.
G63 arrives in late March. Obsidian Black with upgraded designo Red interior. My favorite spec.
RR LWB arrives in May. Santorini Black over black interior with massage seats, most options, and diamond spoke wheels.
Have both on order since September. LWB is a longer wait time surprisingly. Only keeping one... Can't wait to drive the G. More of a dream car for me and RR LWB is best and most comfortable vehicle driven to date.
Like all the online reviews say, you don't necessarily buy a G wagon because it checks all the boxes ( like the RR does imo). You buy it because you want a G wagon.
Not to offend anyone but I liken it to two beautiful women that both like you (one can dream right). One may please your family more and the other may excite you more. You can only commit to one though. You will be happy and blessed either way but one is unlike anything before. I will say having the G63 coming in two full months earlier will be difficult for me to turn down but I do love the RR LWB.
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Local dealership is telling me 2022 for new RR. My lease on current LWB ends in February and I'm close to 50k miles.
G63 arrives in late March. Obsidian Black with upgraded designo Red interior. My favorite spec.
RR LWB arrives in May. Santorini Black over black interior with massage seats, most options, and diamond spoke wheels.
Have both on order since September. LWB is a longer wait time surprisingly. Only keeping one... Can't wait to drive the G. More of a dream car for me and RR LWB is best and most comfortable vehicle driven to date.
Like all the online reviews say, you don't necessarily buy a G wagon because it checks all the boxes ( like the RR does imo). You buy it because you want a G wagon.
Not to offend anyone but I liken it to two beautiful women that both like you (one can dream right). One may please your family more and the other may excite you more. You can only commit to one though. You will be happy and blessed either way but one is unlike anything before. I will say having the G63 coming in two full months earlier will be difficult for me to turn down but I do love the RR LWB.
G63 arrives in late March. Obsidian Black with upgraded designo Red interior. My favorite spec.
RR LWB arrives in May. Santorini Black over black interior with massage seats, most options, and diamond spoke wheels.
Have both on order since September. LWB is a longer wait time surprisingly. Only keeping one... Can't wait to drive the G. More of a dream car for me and RR LWB is best and most comfortable vehicle driven to date.
Like all the online reviews say, you don't necessarily buy a G wagon because it checks all the boxes ( like the RR does imo). You buy it because you want a G wagon.
Not to offend anyone but I liken it to two beautiful women that both like you (one can dream right). One may please your family more and the other may excite you more. You can only commit to one though. You will be happy and blessed either way but one is unlike anything before. I will say having the G63 coming in two full months earlier will be difficult for me to turn down but I do love the RR LWB.
I’ll take then exciting girl any day of the week....and twice on Sundays
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Local dealership is telling me 2022 for new RR. My lease on current LWB ends in February and I'm close to 50k miles.
G63 arrives in late March. Obsidian Black with upgraded designo Red interior. My favorite spec.
RR LWB arrives in May. Santorini Black over black interior with massage seats, most options, and diamond spoke wheels.
Have both on order since September. LWB is a longer wait time surprisingly. Only keeping one... Can't wait to drive the G. More of a dream car for me and RR LWB is best and most comfortable vehicle driven to date.
Like all the online reviews say, you don't necessarily buy a G wagon because it checks all the boxes ( like the RR does imo). You buy it because you want a G wagon.
Not to offend anyone but I liken it to two beautiful women that both like you (one can dream right). One may please your family more and the other may excite you more. You can only commit to one though. You will be happy and blessed either way but one is unlike anything before. I will say having the G63 coming in two full months earlier will be difficult for me to turn down but I do love the RR LWB.
G63 arrives in late March. Obsidian Black with upgraded designo Red interior. My favorite spec.
RR LWB arrives in May. Santorini Black over black interior with massage seats, most options, and diamond spoke wheels.
Have both on order since September. LWB is a longer wait time surprisingly. Only keeping one... Can't wait to drive the G. More of a dream car for me and RR LWB is best and most comfortable vehicle driven to date.
Like all the online reviews say, you don't necessarily buy a G wagon because it checks all the boxes ( like the RR does imo). You buy it because you want a G wagon.
Not to offend anyone but I liken it to two beautiful women that both like you (one can dream right). One may please your family more and the other may excite you more. You can only commit to one though. You will be happy and blessed either way but one is unlike anything before. I will say having the G63 coming in two full months earlier will be difficult for me to turn down but I do love the RR LWB.
I loved the massage seats in my 2017
hated them in the 2018...sold it six months later and bought a g63, 2018
now have a 2020 on order
struggling w selling the 2018, as I find the seats perfect
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2020 G63, 2016 Range Rover LWB
You have a 2020 G63 or RR on order?
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I had 2016 and 2017 Range Rover autobiographies - I liked 2016 better, although sluggish infotainment but it was better setup sound system than 2017’s including the front seats comfort
my ‘19 g63 has the designo exclusive interior, it’s front seats and massage system are better than both of Range Rovers. Sound system in ‘16 autobiography RR was much better than burmester in G63
my ‘19 g63 has the designo exclusive interior, it’s front seats and massage system are better than both of Range Rovers. Sound system in ‘16 autobiography RR was much better than burmester in G63
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Originally Posted by G-Dreaming
Current RR is a 2016.
You have a 2020 G63 or RR on order?
You have a 2020 G63 or RR on order?
2016 diesel RR sport
2016 diesel RR, no massage seat
2017 supercharged RR, massage seats
2018 supercharged RR massage seats
The most comfortable rover was the 2016 full size. When I got the 2017 the seat was stiffer
Ordered a 2018 RR was excited about the new seats..but I hated them. RR completely screwed up the seats on 2018 til present
Traded my 2018 and bought a 2018 G63..never looked back.The seats in the 2018 G63 are wonderful
When new G came out dealer asked me if I wanted one, I turned down a 2019 allocation. Wanted second year. So I have a 2020 G63 on order
Trail package
Emerald green
Tartufo
Night package
I didnt get the upgraded massage seats, as in my RR I found them less comfortable and I never used them.
Problem now is I love my 2018 G63..don't want to sell it. But I have six cars, and am out of garage space. Not sure I need to G63
