OT but hydrogen actually makes a lot of sense for long-haul trucking. I'm not parking a 10,000 psi bomb in my garage though. And it doesn't liberate me from the gas station anyways, it just forces me to buy a different liquid from Shell. But anywho...

 

Hodog - I have been to China, I have seen the Cobalt and Lithium mines. I have seen the slave child labor. The interesting thing is these folks in the US are so hell bent on saving the Earth, and at the same time being certain that the raw materials are not produced in an environment where the EPA or OSHA is a factor. The US thinking we can do anything about anything while China does what China does . Case in point, recently we were at Grand Canyon and Horseshoe - at the same time as hundreds of Chinese tourists (this past XMas). At Horseshoe the Chinese people would seriously throw trash over the side of the canyon and all over the mile or so walk to the edge. This is because as a people this is what they are accustom to . Some years ago I went to China to race (IronMan China) - myself and many others would not get into the "Rainbow water" as it was filthy and stuck of diesel and sulfur.

Then we have places like Cali that demand you get an EV...but DO NOT CHARGE IT because the grid cant handle it.....I just laugh and fill em up with some good ol Premium Unleaded and have fun.

 

Norway is a great example of how to do EVs right. They built out the charging infrastructure first. Now over 80% of vehicles sold there are electric. AND they get charged up mostly from hydroelectric power by the way.

I admit the child labor problem in China is an issue but it's not as bad as the thousands of kids who are being slaughtered by Israel with your tax dollars, so I'm not going to worry about China. Better they be put to work than dismembered like Sidra Hassouna.

 

Norway may have done things more correctly but the fact is even in Chicago areas some of the EVS were simply Frozen and unable to move just this current winter. The other issue is Norway and every European nation is far smaller than the United states. If we really want to look at a comparison check out how successful high-speed trains are in all of Europe and how much of a dismal failure they are in all of the United states. At the end of the day we can mostly blame unions and moronic locally set environmental laws

 

Hopefully hydrogen will become a major fuel resource once its production and storage technologies mature.

 

Ever see a "wild one" shoot a propane tank? It can certainly be entertaining. Then, a slight move to MAP...but, you take a Nitrogen Semi and a terrorist, or a Nitrogen Semi @ 70pmh into another Nitrogen Semi @ 70mph, well, we have a whole new world. Already fire depts have had to spend MILLIONS on equipment so that they are not killed (electrocuted or burnt) by an EV. While the fire from a nitrogen vehicle would be a rather fast one (as it simply explodes)....we had better train our local EMTs a bit more like Corpsman so that they can handle shrapnel injuries for anyone within say, 1/8mi of a crash.

 

Hydrogen powered vehicles should not present any greater hazard than the tractor-trailer tankers that haul thousands of gallons of gasoline and other flammable fluids. Hydrogen, propane and gasoline share the common traits of requiring (1) a source of ignition, and (2) the presence of oxygen in order to combust. Batteries require only a defect in fabrication to spontaneously combust and burn. The presence of oxygen and other combustible material then adds to the problem. The planet's long term energy needs are being hijacked by the sociopathic lunatics who see energy's principal value in weapons of destruction.

 

Sure, but the rate of caloric consumption for nitrogen FAR more rapid than gasoline vapor...gasoline liquid is not flammable, its natural state is liquid at a normal (earthly ambient temps). To infer that war does not drive technological advancement is a delusional fallacy. War (as all mammals do engage in war, as do reptiles, fish, birds...) has driven technology from the stone ages and catapulting rocks, to slinging flaming rocks at each other to melting the enemy to the side of a building. Reverse engineering war time items to consumer products is simply the way of the world (plus, war is good for the economy of the victor, unless, like the apathetic US you win a war and give back the conquered land mass).


As for hydrogen power on the consumer scale. Most certainly not in our lifetimes, or even our grand children's lifetimes. We need to look no further than Cape Canaveral to see how stable H is as a fuel, that is in the best and most controlled circumstances. The human population and behaviors are a wild card, one that seldom lets reality get into the way of emotion. We went from cars that were 99% recyclable to cars that are less than 50% recyclable under the guise of "Environment".

(Note: this is not at all political to one side or other, history is history and can not be unwritten. History, right and wrong is written by the victor).

Now, time to go to work, at least for a bit....

 

Toyota is now offering a $40K discount off the MSRP of $67K on a new Mirai. So you can now get a brand new one for $27K. And they're STILL not selling. Toyota might have to give them away for free.

Anywhosies, back to the original topic. Ineos is selling Genadiers like hotcakes. I almost bought one myself but the gas mileage they're getting out of the BMW i6 is abysmal. Might as well drive a Jeep 392 around town.

 

See - this is what is needed for SERIOUS off roading...

 

A friend of mine just took delivery of his Granadier a couple of weeks ago. Made in Austria as well and looked pretty interesting. Still no substitute for a G-Wagon though.

https://ineosgrenadier.com/en/us/the.../the-grenadier

 

There's a dark grey/black looking one around town I've seen twice. Still haven't seen a cybertruck in person yet though.

 

We have a few in town. One guy trades between that and his Lambo SUV...just driving around looking to race every Dodge Charger he can bump into....the other one for a daily is in a Bently and owns 7 or 8 personal aircraft including a P51....you know, environmentalists. 😉

 

I have a G550 and a LX600 and they are definitely 2 completely different beasts.

g wagon: sporty-ish for an suv, decently quick (for what it is) and great styling.

LX: Eats up miles on the highway better than Joey Chestnut at a hotdog contest. Comfortable and slow (even with a tune on it).

With that said, I am looking at trading the G for a Range Rover, just haven’t gotten an allocation.
Yes-the g will be more reliable. Yes-the g will hold its value better. But I am ready for a change.

 

So, 084runner....your mad at your money then.....if your that mad I can offer you an account number and routing number to send some to and potentially lessen your anger......

 

The insurance racket may not allow you to own a Range Rover. It's up to them, not you.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...irm-cover.html

 

That, of course is going to be the next US Govt ploy to force ICE out. Quite seriously just yesterday I was with a buddy of mine who owns an Alstate insurance agency in Central FL. A long time client of his wanted to insure a small Chinese truck thing (so it is "Street Legal" in a Golf Cart area). The cost of the insurance was OUTLANDISH and more than was even worth it to have insurance. Something like 70% of the vehicle per year. I forget the brand but it was a right hand drive pickup/flat bed thing that I once saw on TopGear.

The end result will be more people out there with out insurance on the roads......

 

Ha, definitely not mad at it, I have owned the G wagon 3yrs which is a record for me. Previously, 2yrs was my max.

I am just ready to switch things up. I seem to suffer from a car addiction. I am guessing there are others on here who share in my affliction.

 

Car addict here! I am lucky to keep a car a year!

 

For me, depending on your stomping grounds, either the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392, the Gladiator Mojave, or previous generation Jeep Grand Cherokee TrailHawk or Overland with a V8.
The Grand Wagoneer will go anywhere it will fit, its capable but really too big for most trails, trust me I tried.
All of these with just a set of good OffRoad tires will go anywhere and do anything you ask them.
I also have a GC Trailhawk and the reason I bought the G is that with the Rubicon V8 equipped the way I like it getting close to 100K and the other 2 no longer have V8s, figured for a couple more bucks get a G550 : )

 

had a ED1 since 2019; traded for a Cullinan and also picked up a new Range Rover; stablemates on the SUV side with Urus, 16 G63 and 17 Squared.

The Range is spectacular and a good replacement for the ED1 because it’s better for “normal day things.” Anytime I want to get that G feeling back, the squared blows away the ED1 for obvious reasons.

I think if you’re doing one SUV, nothing beats the G63. If you’re fortunate enough to have a few in the garage, it’s not the best in any one category.

 

The Chinese are coming after your G Wagon customers too! Mercedes might need to rethink this whole gas engine thing and go back to building horse buggies. Or better yet get your politicians to impose a 25% tariff on it. Yeah, that's even better. This ain't no free-market society!

The GWM (Great Wall Motors) Tank 300 HEV

 

Oooh, the 700 is like a Gls and G wagon all rolled into one. I want one.

 

According to motorbiscuit (https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2024-je...sive-drawback/), the G63 is the "meanest green" in production. How can anyone compete with that? (lol)

 

Jeep is ending its production of the 392 V8 Wrangler with its 2024 "Final Edition" -- only 3700 to be made. The only serious off-road competitor.

Another one bites the dust (https://www.autoblog.com/2024/03/20/...final-edition/)