Dealer trying to raise msrp by 40k after deposit was paid
What's going to bother you more, knowing you got bent over for an extra 40k for the car you really wanted or knowing some other dude is going to enjoy the hell out of that truck and for probably more than the 40k ADM they are offering you.
I probably would have walked if the dealer pulled this crap on me and would have bought a different car. Some people want the car badly enough they would just pay up.
But the bottom line for me is that unless you literally have tons of money to burn (and if you do, that's great), paying significantly over MSRP isn't a smart move as you'll never see that money again if you keep the car more than a year or so.
However, others are certain to disagree with this, are certainly entitled to their opinions and should continue to seek out MSRP deals in a market where such are just not happening.
However, others are certain to disagree with this, are certainly entitled to their opinions and should continue to seek out MSRP deals in a market where such are just not happening.
As @ALFAitalia wrote, an agreement signed by both parties should mean something. If the dealer wants to be able to negotiate a higher price later, then it's their responsibility to spell that out in the agreement before both parties sign it. The buyer has a reasonable expectation that the paperwork they signed reflects what they will actual pay when the order comes in unless there's fine print on the agreement that states otherwise. Note that I'm not claiming that legal action would be successful, just how it SHOULD be.
As @ALFAitalia wrote, an agreement signed by both parties should mean something. If the dealer wants to be able to negotiate a higher price later, then it's their responsibility to spell that out in the agreement before both parties sign it. The buyer has a reasonable expectation that the paperwork they signed reflects what they will actual pay when the order comes in unless there's fine print on the agreement that states otherwise. Note that I'm not claiming that legal action would be successful, just how it SHOULD be.
Honestly Im just glad Im not in the American market as it seems like they are just sh***ing on their long time/regular customers in order to make a quick buck with these ADM's.
Dont bite the hand that feeds you.
Honestly Im just glad Im not in the American market as it seems like they are just sh***ing on their long time/regular customers in order to make a quick buck with these ADM's.
Dont bite the hand that feeds you.
It's a dirty business but dealers get away with it 'cause they can.
It's a dirty business but dealers get away with it 'cause they can.
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1. Take delivery if you have $40k burning a hole in your pocket.
2. Try to negotiate the ADM to something you would be willing to pay. It will leave a bad taste in your mouth for sure, but at least you get a car now.
3. Don't take delivery but ask the dealer to be reasonable - let you stay at the top of the list and keep your deposit for a 2023 at MSRP.
4. Try to go the legal route and see if you can call their bluff. Based on similar threads/posts I don't think you have much leverage but some dealers can get spooked.
5. Tell them to go F themselves and get your deposit back.
If it were me I would choose option 3 but if they said no to that, then I would quickly move to options 4 and likely 5.
1. If you were able to Deposit on a 2021 G63 in September for Nov/Dec delivery - I expect that "find" was Out-Of-Area - right ?
Am I wrong and you have face-to-face w/local Dealer ?
2. If you "found" this G63 Out-Of-Area" in Sept - at that time Metro ADM was sitting about $60K
3. "This week's" Metro ADM is "about" +$85K - next week I expect Metro ADM to be "about" +$100K.
4. Every Mercedes Spec/Build Sheet pulled down from NetStar has the Mercedes comment at the bottom: "Pricing is subject to change. Mercedes-Benz reserves the right to make changes without notification."
"Most" Mercedes Dealer's use that NetStar Spec/Build sheet as part of the Initial Signoff
1. If you were able to Deposit on a 2021 G63 in September for Nov/Dec delivery - I expect that "find" was Out-Of-Area - right ?
Am I wrong and you have face-to-face w/local Dealer ?
2. If you "found" this G63 Out-Of-Area" in Sept - at that time Metro ADM was sitting about $60K
3. "This week's" Metro ADM is "about" +$85K - next week I expect Metro ADM to be "about" +$100K.
4. Every Mercedes Spec/Build Sheet pulled down from NetStar has the Mercedes comment at the bottom: "Pricing is subject to change. Mercedes-Benz reserves the right to make changes without notification."
"Most" Mercedes Dealer's use that NetStar Spec/Build sheet as part of the Initial Signoff
Agree with all of the above. Out of area dealer much more likely to demand ADM since they wont have the chance to make up the money on the service side.
The MBUSA website now even says:
"Due to a worldwide shortage, semiconductor chips that are typically present in our vehicles are limited in supply. This has changed the availability of certain features. Vehicle pricing will vary and depends on the availability of certain features. Please verify with your dealer whether any feature is available in a particular vehicle. To learn more, please see your dealer." (Bold is my emphasis)
It's a dirty business but dealers get away with it 'cause they can.
Its one thing to have the ADM on the sticker to begin with or disclose it to the customer when he's placing the deposit or declare that it will be subject to market price once it arrives. But OP made it sound like they agreed on MSRP and that agreement is what he put a deposit down on.
Last edited by 3.Pointed.Czar; Nov 22, 2021 at 11:25 PM.
Its one thing to have the ADM on the sticker to begin with or disclose it to the customer when he's placing the deposit or declare that it will be subject to market price once it arrives. But OP made it sound like they agreed on MSRP and that agreement is what he put a deposit down on.
Nothing's final until you have the pink slip and are driving away.
Its one thing to have the ADM on the sticker to begin with or disclose it to the customer when he's placing the deposit or declare that it will be subject to market price once it arrives. But OP made it sound like they agreed on MSRP and that agreement is what he put a deposit down on.
As for the part where you're saying they did OP a favour, that is laughable. Like I mentioned above, pretty much everything is inflated at the moment. Once prices stabilize and the chip shortage ends, then what? All these dealers that are throwing customer service out the window now will regret it later when buyers will have power again and wont be putting up with their current BS. Its very short-sighted.
My dealer on the other hand, is choosing to prioritize my long term business and honour MSRP for the G given it will be my 7th car with the same dealership but then again it seems Canadian dealers have stricter regulations that wont allow for ADM's to easily be charged.
As for the part where you're saying they did OP a favour, that is laughable. Like I mentioned above, pretty much everything is inflated at the moment. Once prices stabilize and the chip shortage ends, then what? All these dealers that are throwing customer service out the window now will regret it later when buyers will have power again and wont be putting up with their current BS. Its very short-sighted.
My dealer on the other hand, is choosing to prioritize my long term business and honour MSRP for the G given it will be my 7th car with the same dealership but then again it seems Canadian dealers have stricter regulations that wont allow for ADM's to easily be charged.
I understood that you lived outside the US. My comment was directed towards the greater general audience.
I understood that you lived outside the US. My comment was directed towards the greater general audience.
charging over MSRP is not a new concept. It’s a free market. A couple of years ago you could negotiate a car price below MSRP now you negotiate to get it for “only” MSRP.
The bigger issue is the lack of ethics on the part of this dealer. I think most people would balk if someone pulled this crap during a home purchase or business purchase, but we have come to expect nothing less than complete sleaze from car dealers so no one is terribly shocked or surprised to hear this and countless other similar stories in the last few months.
This past September:
1. If someone walked into their Local Dealer - and that Dealer said "hey - I just got notice I have a extra 2021 end-of-year G63 - and hey I will sell it to you for MSRP with deposit today" is one thing.
2. If someone was "shopping the US" - and "thought" he "found" a end-of-year G63 at MSRP on a internet/email deal - either did not pay attention to the "Mercedes-Benz reserves-the-right to change pricing" on the confirming spec sheet - OR - that Shopper already "knew" either that Salesman was stupid - and "knew" there would be ADM but Dealer left it open as to "how much"
3. Dealer is off-the-hook by refunding the Deposit - which is the "flip-side" to the Dealer's Benefit for the Dealer on Deposits being refundable to the Customer.
The OP has no choice and no recourse. It SUCKS, but it is what it is.
All of these responses are handwringing - none of it matters.
Pay ADM = you get your car
Don’t pay = no car, which might be his choice and is totally valid, but someone else will absolutely get the car at this ADM if not more.
And it also doesn’t help the guy to say “wouldn’t be an issue in Canada!” Totally irrelevant nonsense.
I 100,000% agree it’s crummy of a dealer to change the deal at delivery, but it’s what’s happening now and there IS NO RECOURSE because THEY have the car and the collective WE don’t.
That’s it.
I actually did speak to a lawyer friend etc, bottom line there is no recourse. The truck is still en route to port so I’m still trying to decide. But I’ve waited so long for this that I’m ultimately going to probably end up paying the ADM. They can turn around and sell it for more. I met with the owner of the dealership etc. unfortunately the demand for this is high that they don’t care
I ordered one and got a smaller slightly smaller markup upfront, I also negotiated free service for three years and they accepted. Its pure profit for the dealership and wrong to do this.
I would politely fight it. Get in front of the owner if you have to. I really think this should be solved from Mercedes Benz corporate. Let us know the result. The dealership should be focused on the long run and taking care of customers. You will never forget them regardless.
I also agree if you have a vin you have more leg to stand on.












