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Originally posted by ldangeli
For you chappy, you're right, the partnership began in 90, but MB didn't start warrantying the car till:
1999
Mercedes-AMG GmbH commences business on 01.01.99, with directors Dr. Wolfgang Bernhard (Managing Director) and Domingos Piedade.
For you chappy, you're right, the partnership began in 90, but MB didn't start warrantying the car till:
1999
Mercedes-AMG GmbH commences business on 01.01.99, with directors Dr. Wolfgang Bernhard (Managing Director) and Domingos Piedade.
So, according to your information, there was no warranty on the 1995-1997 C36 or the 1998 C43?
"This forum has yet to provide any sort of true enthusiast information. Maybe it is just the CLK forum that is lacking, man for MBZ Enthusiasts all over, I sure hope so.."
You must be one of those true enthusiast you're referring to
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Never said I was a "true" enthusiast for MBZ.. I honestly have lost the love for their lacking product. But then again, I guess that offends true ones like yourself. And yes, there was a warranty provided by ///AMG, however not by MBZ. MBZ dealers now have to get certified in order to sell or service ///AMG vehicles. Most of them are. BUT since 99' MB USA or MB corporate for that matter, agreed to cover the ///AMG under their own warranty..
BTW, that quote came from the same site you sent me.. Read on...
BTW, that quote came from the same site you sent me.. Read on...
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Originally posted by ldangeli
MBZ dealers now have to get certified in order to sell or service ///AMG vehicles. Most of them are.
MBZ dealers now have to get certified in order to sell or service ///AMG vehicles. Most of them are.
More misinformation.
Quote from MBUSA AMG FAQ
"Can AMG cars be bought and serviced at every US Dealership? Yes. AMG models can be ordered and services through over 300 US Mercedes-Benz Dealers."
It states "every dealership".
Please direct me to the specific details where U.S. dealers must get certified in order to sell or service AMG vehicles. Thanks.
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Originally posted by ldangeli
Listen bottom line is, you're a punk if you badge your 30k car with a ///AMG badge when it really isn't. Like I said, go ahead do it, it's your car, but the rest of us will be laughing at you, not with you. Trust me on that one.
Listen bottom line is, you're a punk if you badge your 30k car with a ///AMG badge when it really isn't. Like I said, go ahead do it, it's your car, but the rest of us will be laughing at you, not with you. Trust me on that one.
also, I don't think its abouit money or image, its just whatever "floats your boat"... for me, if and when I do get my AMG benz, I'll probably end up debadging it all around like I do w/all my cars bcs thats how I like, and I could really care less what other people think or what other people do with their cars...
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ldangeli, I have to disagree with you here. Although I find it humorous that people will put AMG badges on their car when it's not an AMG tuned vehicle, it doesn't bother me to the level that it does you.
As for the warranty issue, this I haven't heard before. I thought that Daimler Benz and AMG entered into some kind of an agreement in the late 80s or early 90s that allowed MB to sell and service the AMG cars. Perhaps there was a difference between who paid the dealer for the warranty repair (MB or AMG), but I bet it was all covered under one warranty. I also bet that any difference was invisible to the customer. The quote you posted from 1999 was when Daimler Benz acquired a majority stake in AMG essentially making them a subsidiary of Mercedes Benz.
I'm not an expert on any of this, but to me it's all off topic to what the original point was.
I also have to disagree with you about this forum. I have found it very helpful in providing all kinds of information on all models of Mercedes Benz vehicles.
As for the warranty issue, this I haven't heard before. I thought that Daimler Benz and AMG entered into some kind of an agreement in the late 80s or early 90s that allowed MB to sell and service the AMG cars. Perhaps there was a difference between who paid the dealer for the warranty repair (MB or AMG), but I bet it was all covered under one warranty. I also bet that any difference was invisible to the customer. The quote you posted from 1999 was when Daimler Benz acquired a majority stake in AMG essentially making them a subsidiary of Mercedes Benz.
I'm not an expert on any of this, but to me it's all off topic to what the original point was.
I also have to disagree with you about this forum. I have found it very helpful in providing all kinds of information on all models of Mercedes Benz vehicles.
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Originally posted by ldangeli
For you chappy, you're right, the partnership began in 90, but MB didn't start warrantying the car till:
1999
Mercedes-AMG GmbH commences business on 01.01.99, with directors Dr. Wolfgang Bernhard (Managing Director) and Domingos Piedade.
Nubomb, you rarely hear about issue of reliability on regular Mercedes, than you must shut out the noise. Look on this forum, their are tons of complaints about just that. Then you add electrical, service, warranties. Man you are naive aren't you? And no, the 600 is no longer the top of the line. It is the largest engine, but when it comes to the general populous, it is the ///AMG that is thought to be top of the line.
As far as the whole car being made by ///AMG, no, you're right, not the "whole" car is made by amg, however the engine, trans, suspension, brakes, exhaust, interior, are all porvided, so basically, to me that is the whole car. Whoops, I forgot, the frame and skin are provided by MB.
Listen bottom line is, you're a punk if you badge your 30k car with a ///AMG badge when it really isn't. Like I said, go ahead do it, it's your car, but the rest of us will be laughing at you, not with you. Trust me on that one.
It amazes me how so called True enthusiasts sit here and don't become disgusted by the general populous placing an ///AMG badge on their non-///AMG cars.
You know what, I am going to go stick one on my lil' sisters honda. Maybe then she can be cool too.. This forum has yet to provide any sort of true enthusiast information. Maybe it is just the CLK forum that is lacking, man for MBZ Enthusiasts all over, I sure hope so..
For you chappy, you're right, the partnership began in 90, but MB didn't start warrantying the car till:
1999
Mercedes-AMG GmbH commences business on 01.01.99, with directors Dr. Wolfgang Bernhard (Managing Director) and Domingos Piedade.
Nubomb, you rarely hear about issue of reliability on regular Mercedes, than you must shut out the noise. Look on this forum, their are tons of complaints about just that. Then you add electrical, service, warranties. Man you are naive aren't you? And no, the 600 is no longer the top of the line. It is the largest engine, but when it comes to the general populous, it is the ///AMG that is thought to be top of the line.
As far as the whole car being made by ///AMG, no, you're right, not the "whole" car is made by amg, however the engine, trans, suspension, brakes, exhaust, interior, are all porvided, so basically, to me that is the whole car. Whoops, I forgot, the frame and skin are provided by MB.
Listen bottom line is, you're a punk if you badge your 30k car with a ///AMG badge when it really isn't. Like I said, go ahead do it, it's your car, but the rest of us will be laughing at you, not with you. Trust me on that one.
It amazes me how so called True enthusiasts sit here and don't become disgusted by the general populous placing an ///AMG badge on their non-///AMG cars.
You know what, I am going to go stick one on my lil' sisters honda. Maybe then she can be cool too.. This forum has yet to provide any sort of true enthusiast information. Maybe it is just the CLK forum that is lacking, man for MBZ Enthusiasts all over, I sure hope so..
Let see some of the problems you reference from a shoddy non AMG MB:
creaking...window bounce...seat motors... gauges... gas sensors... oxygen sensors...sunroof, etc...
I may be wrong but does AMG improve on these items?
Now lets see some issues raised from the AMG forums:
"Well it's taken a couple of months but I think I have my E55 pretty much debugged (command software reflash, supercharger squeek, brake replacement due to squeal, interior rattling T.P.M.S..etc).... "
Another was SC water pump failure.
Also, my car is not badged nor an AMG. I prefer the clean look. But I guess I'm just trying to fool everyone into thinking I may have an AMG because my car and an AMG look exactly alike.
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Whoops my bad. I never said I was loosing sleep. I just think it's funny that it is toted as an ///AMG. IMHO, 90 percent of the BS on this forum is just that, BS. Like I said prior, I am still waiting to see that information on this forum that you find on other forums (no names mentioned)
As far as problems are concerend, I know of a ton with 02' AMG's anyway, can't speak for prior or later, but how about engine failures, electrical, brakes, suspension, transmission, radio, sunroof, car turning off, etc, etc... Same as with the 430..
As far as the warranty issue is concerned, yes in 99' D-BNZ and AMG, combined forces to make AMG a division enhancing the warranty and sales aspect of the AMG. AMG has been around for 35+ years, and in this country, the US, was not as widely known, although distributed by MB, as it is today. Select MB dealers worked on these vehicles, at least here on the East Coast, but the warranty was paid by AMG. Today, since AMG has been incorporated into thte BNZ family of vehicles, it is covered direct by MBZ. I never said that AMG wasn't sold here in the states, so get your facts straight. The fact that you do or don't know about AMG history and BNZ, doesn't make you an enthusiast, it makes you an avid reader. I guess I am supposed to be impressed. If I told you the sky was blue due to the reflection of the oceans, would say that was disinformation?
Again, I am still waiting to be informed or impressed for that matter, by anything that is stated on this forum..
As far as problems are concerend, I know of a ton with 02' AMG's anyway, can't speak for prior or later, but how about engine failures, electrical, brakes, suspension, transmission, radio, sunroof, car turning off, etc, etc... Same as with the 430..
As far as the warranty issue is concerned, yes in 99' D-BNZ and AMG, combined forces to make AMG a division enhancing the warranty and sales aspect of the AMG. AMG has been around for 35+ years, and in this country, the US, was not as widely known, although distributed by MB, as it is today. Select MB dealers worked on these vehicles, at least here on the East Coast, but the warranty was paid by AMG. Today, since AMG has been incorporated into thte BNZ family of vehicles, it is covered direct by MBZ. I never said that AMG wasn't sold here in the states, so get your facts straight. The fact that you do or don't know about AMG history and BNZ, doesn't make you an enthusiast, it makes you an avid reader. I guess I am supposed to be impressed. If I told you the sky was blue due to the reflection of the oceans, would say that was disinformation?
Again, I am still waiting to be informed or impressed for that matter, by anything that is stated on this forum..
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Chill Man....
No one here is claiming this forum is the end all information source on MBs, but if you have a question or need some info, post and if people know they will do their best to help you out; you be the judge of the information's accuracy. If you think you can answer someone's question on the forum, go ahead and do it, hopefully they will benefit from your advice/experience, isn't that the whole point of this forum??
As far as the warranty and the AMG/MB relationship issue goes, who the hell cares, anyway...I think you guys are both basically saying the exact same thing, and nowadays, AMGs are obviously sold by MB at MB dealers and definately have the same warranty/service level (however poor that may be) as normal mercs, so what's the fuss about??!!
No one here is claiming this forum is the end all information source on MBs, but if you have a question or need some info, post and if people know they will do their best to help you out; you be the judge of the information's accuracy. If you think you can answer someone's question on the forum, go ahead and do it, hopefully they will benefit from your advice/experience, isn't that the whole point of this forum??
As far as the warranty and the AMG/MB relationship issue goes, who the hell cares, anyway...I think you guys are both basically saying the exact same thing, and nowadays, AMGs are obviously sold by MB at MB dealers and definately have the same warranty/service level (however poor that may be) as normal mercs, so what's the fuss about??!!
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Now I remember where the thread starter is/was coming from. Loves to stir the pot
Here's a quote from a similar post that got locked when he insulted most of the fine members of this board.
The quote was posted by Indangeli on 04/07/04.
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"Why should I, I gave you the location. Whats the difference? And I haven't gotten the E46 yet takes 8-10 wks. So whats the point. When I get my grimmy little hands on it, you clowns will be the first to know about it, like I give a crap.
Again, how about all you perfect pu$$ies start showing me the PROOF that you so deperately need to get from me? Just a request from little ole me..
If you spend 80k on a car, put 100k in mods in it, why is it only worth 40k after the first 3 months?
Attack all you want, I love this ****E. It gives me pleasure to watch you all get so worked up over you precious little mbz..."
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This will be the first time out trying the "Ignore" button. Good day.
Here's a quote from a similar post that got locked when he insulted most of the fine members of this board.
The quote was posted by Indangeli on 04/07/04.
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"Why should I, I gave you the location. Whats the difference? And I haven't gotten the E46 yet takes 8-10 wks. So whats the point. When I get my grimmy little hands on it, you clowns will be the first to know about it, like I give a crap.
Again, how about all you perfect pu$$ies start showing me the PROOF that you so deperately need to get from me? Just a request from little ole me..
If you spend 80k on a car, put 100k in mods in it, why is it only worth 40k after the first 3 months?
Attack all you want, I love this ****E. It gives me pleasure to watch you all get so worked up over you precious little mbz..."
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This will be the first time out trying the "Ignore" button. Good day.
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Originally posted by Chappy
Now I remember where the thread starter is/was coming from. Loves to stir the pot
Now I remember where the thread starter is/was coming from. Loves to stir the pot
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Yeah, I actually remember that post too, and I gave the name, number and location of the dealer, and it seemed to stiffle most of you. But that is fine, think what you want. It is a damn shame that this board is so heavily biased. Teenager, right, that must be it. I guess anyone who challenges the validity of information and post is a teenager. Nice, I think I will change my user name to teenmem...
And there is no fuss about where the ///AMG comes from or who sells / waranties it, the fuss is and yes it makes me laugh, the peeps who put the ///AMG badges on their cars. Please now, be a little bit real.
Gents as always, its been a pleasure..
///AMG POSER....
And what is ahem??? Not sure, I think you meant Amen...
And there is no fuss about where the ///AMG comes from or who sells / waranties it, the fuss is and yes it makes me laugh, the peeps who put the ///AMG badges on their cars. Please now, be a little bit real.
Gents as always, its been a pleasure..
///AMG POSER....
And what is ahem??? Not sure, I think you meant Amen...
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Originally posted by ldangeli
Yeah, I actually remember that post too, and I gave the name, number and location of the dealer, and it seemed to stiffle most of you. But that is fine, think what you want. It is a damn shame that this board is so heavily biased. Teenager, right, that must be it. I guess anyone who challenges the validity of information and post is a teenager. Nice, I think I will change my user name to teenmem...
And there is no fuss about where the ///AMG comes from or who sells / waranties it, the fuss is and yes it makes me laugh, the peeps who put the ///AMG badges on their cars. Please now, be a little bit real.
Gents as always, its been a pleasure..
///AMG POSER....
And what is ahem??? Not sure, I think you meant Amen...
Yeah, I actually remember that post too, and I gave the name, number and location of the dealer, and it seemed to stiffle most of you. But that is fine, think what you want. It is a damn shame that this board is so heavily biased. Teenager, right, that must be it. I guess anyone who challenges the validity of information and post is a teenager. Nice, I think I will change my user name to teenmem...
And there is no fuss about where the ///AMG comes from or who sells / waranties it, the fuss is and yes it makes me laugh, the peeps who put the ///AMG badges on their cars. Please now, be a little bit real.
Gents as always, its been a pleasure..
///AMG POSER....
And what is ahem??? Not sure, I think you meant Amen...
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The "punk" is indicative of the "hip-hop" sideways hat wearing, bling, bling gangster wanna be, cell phone toting loooooser, who tries to test his BS driving skill with his BS AMG, and that acts all tough about it. It has been said before, I didn't feel the need to search for it, and instead felt like being a post *****, due to the fact that over the last few weeks I am noticing more and more of these posers. THEN when you say, nice car, and they proclaim to all that is holy that it is an AMG it makes them look like an ***, or should I say makes YOU POSERS WHO DO THE SAME, look like A$$es.. AND NO, it doesn't really bother me, I think it is hilarious that said losers are trying to play off something that they don't have. STEP UP, be a man, don't front your BS ride. If you want to "pimp" it out, that's cool, I'm all for it, but don't act like it's an ///AMG when you sure as hell know it isn't.. I am done ranting. Let the flame begin.
...............what is funny about this is the part where the author claims "it" doesn't really bother him. Maybe he should re-read his own posts and see how angry he sounds about the topic.
..............I truly believe that those who buy cars in order to get admired by others are the ones bothered by this. Somehow the admiration they seek ends up being grabbed by someone they consider undeserving. If you buy a car because you genuinely like the car, what does it matter to you if someone else owns a fake. If you are a true art lover and you purchase a genuine Picasso, do you develop high blood prssure because your neighbor owns a fake one? Many genuine art lovers will simply hang the painting in their basement for their own personal enjoyement of the genuine article.
.............In my opinion, going crazy about so called fake AMG's says more about you than it does about the owner of the fake.
Ted
...............what is funny about this is the part where the author claims "it" doesn't really bother him. Maybe he should re-read his own posts and see how angry he sounds about the topic.
..............I truly believe that those who buy cars in order to get admired by others are the ones bothered by this. Somehow the admiration they seek ends up being grabbed by someone they consider undeserving. If you buy a car because you genuinely like the car, what does it matter to you if someone else owns a fake. If you are a true art lover and you purchase a genuine Picasso, do you develop high blood prssure because your neighbor owns a fake one? Many genuine art lovers will simply hang the painting in their basement for their own personal enjoyement of the genuine article.
.............In my opinion, going crazy about so called fake AMG's says more about you than it does about the owner of the fake.
Ted
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..............I truly believe that those who buy cars in order to get admired by others are the ones bothered by this. Somehow the admiration they seek ends up being grabbed by someone they consider undeserving. If you buy a car because you genuinely like the car, what does it matter to you if someone else owns a fake. If you are a true art lover and you purchase a genuine Picasso, do you develop high blood prssure because your neighbor owns a fake one? Many genuine art lovers will simply hang the painting in their basement for their own personal enjoyement of the genuine article.
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Originally posted by ldangeli
Blows by me in what vader13?
Blows by me in what vader13?
This is what I think.
PPL who rock fake Rolllies will rock replica Amg Wheels and put a AMG badge on there BNZ, Most ppl think it's legit, but I don't.
I know it's fake and who cares. I laff at em..
What bumms me out is the 05 W203's being sold with AMG kits and called a "Sport package"
I think the thin line is, If someone buys aftermarket AMG and then puts a AMG badge on the trunk. Its OK
If that person decides to go further and rebage the model number with a 32/or 55, now that's straight posing.
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Very eloquent, but I really didn't buy the car to impress or be admired. I bought it on a whim, just like I did today with my new car. It doesn't anger me as much as it makes me laugh, when I see said looser drving said ///AMG baged car. Badge it all you want, I think it is funny.
So, non-///AMG owners (me) with ///AMG badge are loosers???
If that is the case then I am very proud to be consider myself as looser. Good luck to all your winners out there.
This is how much of a looser I am:
1. Became a Doctor at age 23 (after working my butt off thru college with no support from family or friends).
2. At age 25 have my own private practice.
3. At age 25 own a house worth about 3/4 of a Million $$$.
4. At age 26 purchased my first Benz (Here is where I become a looser).
5. Support my family (financially) at all times.
At the rate that I am going, I will become a "Looser" Millionaire in less than 5 years from now. Wow, I love being a looser. I think I am going to place more ///AMG badges on my car so I can become a bigger Looser. Please laugh at this Looser all you want because it doesn't hurt my feeling a bit.
BTW: I also have 3 dogs. One of them was de-tailed so there is no obstruction in her behind in case anyone wishes to accept my first offer to this thread (see my first reply in page 1 or 2)!
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I'll be sending over my assistance (the de-tailed JRT). She'll be able to lick it and cool it down for you (free of charge but make sure to tip her with some pork chop). I think I will stick an ///AMG badge on her behind before sending her over. The ///AMG badge should enhances her performance.
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Originally posted by MBPhD
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So, non-///AMG owners (me) with ///AMG badge are loosers???
If that is the case then I am very proud to be consider myself as looser. Good luck to all your winners out there.
This is how much of a looser I am:
1. Became a Doctor at age 23 (after working my butt off thru college with no support from family or friends).
2. At age 25 have my own private practice.
3. At age 25 own a house worth about 3/4 of a Million $$$.
4. At age 26 purchased my first Benz (Here is where I become a looser).
5. Support my family (financially) at all times.
At the rate that I am going, I will become a "Looser" Millionaire in less than 5 years from now. Wow, I love being a looser. I think I am going to place more ///AMG badges on my car so I can become a bigger Looser. Please laugh at this Looser all you want because it doesn't hurt my feeling a bit.
BTW: I also have 3 dogs. One of them was de-tailed so there is no obstruction in her behind in case anyone wishes to accept my first offer to this thread (see my first reply in page 1 or 2)!
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So, non-///AMG owners (me) with ///AMG badge are loosers???
If that is the case then I am very proud to be consider myself as looser. Good luck to all your winners out there.
This is how much of a looser I am:
1. Became a Doctor at age 23 (after working my butt off thru college with no support from family or friends).
2. At age 25 have my own private practice.
3. At age 25 own a house worth about 3/4 of a Million $$$.
4. At age 26 purchased my first Benz (Here is where I become a looser).
5. Support my family (financially) at all times.
At the rate that I am going, I will become a "Looser" Millionaire in less than 5 years from now. Wow, I love being a looser. I think I am going to place more ///AMG badges on my car so I can become a bigger Looser. Please laugh at this Looser all you want because it doesn't hurt my feeling a bit.
BTW: I also have 3 dogs. One of them was de-tailed so there is no obstruction in her behind in case anyone wishes to accept my first offer to this thread (see my first reply in page 1 or 2)!
However, I don't see the need for you to post all this information other than to make your own head bigger.Now I'm not saying that you are a loser, but nothing that you have listed proves that you are not. One can certainly be a millionaire, be successful, but still be a loser.
I guess your need to post how successful you are is the same as your need to put an AMG badge on a non-AMG vehicle.
