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Old 08-31-2007, 06:16 PM
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The star performer was of course the new V8 4.0-litre twin turbo-charged diesel engine. With its 306bhp ample for 143mph and 0-62mph in 7.6 seconds (particularly impressive for a 2.5 tonne vehicle) what better unit could you wish for? Even the fuel consumption of 23.9 miles per gallon was not too bad. The huge amount of torque — 517lb ft from 2,200rpm — will make light work of towing loads up to 3.5 tonnes. Owners towing horse trailers or heavy boats with the GL won't experience any problems. The smooth power delivery and sheer amount of torque makes off-road driving really easy, and coupled to all the sophisticated electronic driving aids, makes the Mercedes GL a formid-able luxury 4x4.
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Don't hold your breath regarding the V8 diesels ever appearing in the USA.

Diesel isn't that much cheaper than gasoline here and the V8 diesel doesn't get that much better fuel economy than even a 550.

Diesel is popular in Europe because it's way cheaper than gasoline.
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You are probably right. In the automobile and light truck categories, there has been a reluctance, partly due to the bad experiences, under powered, noisy, and smelly examples that were first introduced in the late 70's. GM and their diesel converted gasoline engine, nearly destroyed the publics faith in diesel engines. You practicly couldn't give them away in the 80's. Their 2nd and 3rd attempts were nearly as bad. Ford's marriage with International Harvester quickly became the dominant choice of HD pickup owners and developed into a high mileage dependable workhorse. Over the next 25 years, they became more powerful, more fuel efficient, with lower emisions. Dodge took the same path of using an already proven engine, and chose Cummins. After 3 flops, Chevy finally hit a homerun and went to Isuzu for the Duramax.

Diesel became more expensive when ULS was mandated. It happened in Texas and California before most other states. There were only a couple refineries that could produce it. Now there are more coming on line and it is starting to come back down (at least below Premium) and should continue to do so.

It will be interesting to see what kind of mileage the 550's get. Are they not required to run Premium or high octane gasoline? Even at 23.9 mpg, that's probably 20 - 30% better than the 550's will get. Another advantage diesels have is their longevity. They tend to last for a lot more miles and therefore have better resale with high mileage.
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All gasoline Mercedes run on premium fuel.

REAL engines have high compression.
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Looks like one may have to up it a notch to medium duty in order to buy a larger Mercedes diesel. For example the 7.2 liter 300 hp Mercedes Turbodiesel offered in the Freightliner Sportchassis, Unimog U500 or Pistenbully 200. That's the OM926 DE 72 LA.

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Originally Posted by lkchris

1- Don't hold your breath regarding the V8 diesels ever appearing in the USA.

2- Diesel isn't that much cheaper than gasoline here and the V8 diesel doesn't get that much better fuel economy than even a 550.

3- Diesel is popular in Europe because it's way cheaper than gasoline.

Very wise advice

Very true

Very true

Thank you, thank you, thank you for picking up the torch on this one
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Very wise advice

Very true

Very true

Thank you, thank you, thank you for picking up the torch on this one
Maybe the tides are turning. Look at the success of the 320 CDI. Very difficult to find and a long wait to order. Demand > supply = success. I can't imagine they wouldn't consider at least a limited trial, especially since the GL's are made in Alabama.

My GL 320 (really my wife's) is my 1st and probably not my last MB. If it were not for their offering of a diesel engine in a midsize SUV, I probably would never have looked. My wife has been driving a diesel (2 pickups then an Excursion) but wanted something smaller. Voila!

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Originally Posted by GL Fahrer
Very wise advice

Very true

Very true

Thank you, thank you, thank you for picking up the torch on this one
You may be underestimating the growing popularity of diesels in the U.S. and the likely influx of new diesel engines from a number of German and Japanese companies. The difference in mileage is significant in the view of many consumers particularly compared with ethanol blends of gasoline which are becoming more widespread. In the high end segment of the car and truck market, the promise of 500+ ftlbs of torque, great midrange response with notably improved range seems a really appealing package. Better mileage is just gravy.

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Originally Posted by nantucketsleigh
You may be underestimating the growing popularity of diesels in the U.S. and the likely influx of new diesel engines from a number of German and Japanese companies. The difference in mileage is significant in the view of many consumers particularly compared with ethanol blends of gasoline which are becoming more widespread. In the high end segment of the car and truck market, the promise of 500+ ftlbs of torque, great midrange response with notably improved range seems a really appealing package. Better mileage is just gravy.
What should M-B do, considering the following:
-M-B already offers more diesels than any other luxury brand.
-420 will cost the same as a 550 only without the content.
-Diesel fuel costs the same as gas
-Towing capacity is same for all GL's
-Mileage of 420 will draw-down the M-B diesel fleet mileage
-Since most tranactions involving trucks >$50K are leased, the long term benefits of paying a $ premium for the V8 diesel will not be realized in a 2 to 3 year lease.
-The 420 was not developed or certified for the U.S.
-How do you justify the developement costs of a model with a ridiculously low contribution?
-The G-Class owners in the U.S. have been barking up this tree since 2001.
-The "percieved" lack of infrastructure for diesel fuel is still very real with U.S. customers.
-M-B sells 12 SUV's..four ML's, three R's, three GL's and two G's in the U.S. Compared to their competition, do they really need another one?
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Originally Posted by GL Fahrer
What should M-B do, considering the following:
-M-B already offers more diesels than any other luxury brand.
-420 will cost the same as a 550 only without the content.
-Diesel fuel costs the same as gas
-Towing capacity is same for all GL's
-Mileage of 420 will draw-down the M-B diesel fleet mileage
-Since most tranactions involving trucks >$50K are leased, the long term benefits of paying a $ premium for the V8 diesel will not be realized in a 2 to 3 year lease.
-The 420 was not developed or certified for the U.S.
-How do you justify the developement costs of a model with a ridiculously low contribution?
-The G-Class owners in the U.S. have been barking up this tree since 2001.
-The "percieved" lack of infrastructure for diesel fuel is still very real with U.S. customers.
-M-B sells 12 SUV's..four ML's, three R's, three GL's and two G's in the U.S. Compared to their competition, do they really need another one?
A lot of good logic in that list of reasons the 420 will not come to the US.

Do you think the intro of the Bluetec at the Detroit (I think it was) show was really a market analysis to see if the styling would be received well knowing that it was really going to be for the US GL550?

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Originally Posted by Nevada Jack
A lot of good logic in that list of reasons the 420 will not come to the US.

Do you think the intro of the Bluetec at the Detroit (I think it was) show was really a market analysis to see if the styling would be received well knowing that it was really going to be for the US GL550?
As I recall, the GL420 BT in Detriot was a "Vision" car which was there to create excitement around BlueTec.

With U.S. car shows, Detroit is really for the world market, and the New York Auto Show is for the American market. (notice that it wasn't in N.Y.)

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Originally Posted by GL Fahrer
As I recall, the GL420 BT in Detriot was a "Vision" car which was there to create excitement around BlueTec.

With U.S. car shows, Detroit is really for the world market, and the New York Auto Show is for the American market. (notice that it wasn't in N.Y.)
I remember that it was not Bluetec that created excitement, it was the large grille, flares, AMG wheels and the Alubeam (?) blue paint, That's all you saw on the forums was the design impact. The fact is was a 420 diesel was secondary.

In NY the GL550 had all these features that the Vision in Detroit had.

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The intention (DCAG) was to wrap BlueTec in a pretty package, with the hopes of generating buzz in this future new technology. The "blog" interest in styling was just gravy.
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Here's the press release with which the GL 420 Bluetec was introduced in Detroit. Just to refresh your memories. Mercedes press releases are not to be taken too seriously.


Mercedes-Benz sets new milestones in BLUETEC initiative

Stuttgart, Jan 03, 2007

Mercedes-Benz is continuing its US diesel initiative with the presentation of another concept vehicle at the Detroit Auto Show. The Vision GL 420 BLUETEC demonstrates that, thanks to BLUETEC® technology, even large, high-performance SUVs can offer economical fuel consumption and extremely low emissions. Boasting a powerful V8 diesel engine, which develops 216 kW (290 hp) and 700 Nm (515 lb ft) of torque, the anticipated fuel efficiency for the new SUV is just 9.8 litres per 100 kilometres (24 mpg). This impressive combination of high power, torque, fuel economy and operating range ensures that Mercedes-Benz BLUETEC® vehicles offer an ideal drive concept for the American market.

With its powerful V8 diesel engine, which develops 216 kW (290 hp) and a mighty 700 Nm (515 lb ft) of torque, the Vision GL 420 BLUETEC guarantees the very highest levels of performance. Yet this same compression-ignition engine complies with the stringent US BIN 5 emissions standard, makes do with just 9.8 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres (24 mpg) and has a range of up to 1000 kilometres (600 miles) on a full tank. These impressive figures underline yet again that BLUETEC® vehicles are ideally suited to the American market, where heavy customer demand – especially in the SUV segment – for vehicles with torquey, large-displacement engines is coupled with the need to comply with stringent exhaust-emission regulations. Furthermore, higher fuel prices mean that models with better fuel economy are growing in popularity.

The unique styling of the Vision GL 420 BLUETEC adds visual emphasis to the special status of this model and also addresses the Mercedes-Benz USA customers' wish for vehicles with an even greater degree of exclusivity and a strong, individual identity. The revised, distinctively sculpted front with the dominant radiator grille serves as a visual idiom for the exceptional performance of the V8 diesel engine and lends the Vision GL 420 BLUETEC a sense of dynamic forward movement – even when stationary. This assertive look is complemented by the flared wings, imposing 21 inch wheels and running boards.

Systematic expansion of the BLUETEC® model range

The latest J.D. Power study "Global Outlook For Diesel" forecasts that diesels will account for more than 15 per cent of new registrations in North America by 2015. On this basis, Mercedes-Benz will systematically expand its BLUETEC® range. The company has announced that it intends to offer three new BLUETEC® models (the R, ML and GL Class) – meeting the even more stringent BIN 5 standard – in all 50 US states by as early as 2008. But BLUETEC® vehicles are more than just the cleanest diesel models in the world. They also consume 20 to 40 per cent less fuel than comparable vehicles with spark-ignition engines. For example, the E 320 BLUETEC, which is already on the market, consumes just 35 mpg or 6.7 l/100 km, making it by far the most economical vehicle in its class in the USA.

BLUETEC® – technology for the cleanest diesels in the world

BLUETEC® is a modular emissions control system that reduces nitrogen oxides in particular. These are exhaust components from diesel engines, which, as a result of the constraints inherent in the diesel combustion process, exceed the levels generated by petrol engines. Mercedes-Benz has developed two versions of BLUETEC®. In the E Class, an oxidation-type catalytic converter and particulate filter are combined with an improved, extremely durable NOx storage catalytic converter and an additional SCR catalytic converter. The second BLUETEC® version is even more efficient: AdBlue, an aqueous urea solution, is injected into the exhaust gas flow, a process that releases ammonia, which converts up to 80 per cent of the nitrogen oxides into harmless nitrogen and water in the downstream SCR unit.

Available at last in USA: low-sulphur diesel fuel

In order to be completely effective, BLUETEC® technology for passenger cars and light trucks requires low-sulphur diesel with a sulphur content of less than 15 ppm. This clean fuel, which became available in USA in the autumn of 2006, also reduces the emissions from all diesel engines currently on the market and therefore plays a key role in cutting emission levels in general.

BLUETEC® technology was subjected to a particularly challenging endurance test in the autumn of 2006 when a total of 33 E Class models, including three E 320 BLUETEC vehicles, drove from Paris to Beijing in 26 days. In an impressive demonstration of the robustness and quality of this technology, the vehicles performed outstandingly well under extreme conditions on the 13,600 km trip.

Recognition for BLUETEC®

Die BLUETEC has met with an extremely positive response in USA: respected American science and technology magazines recognised the Mercedes-Benz-developed BLUETEC® technology at the end of 2006. Scientific American selected BLUETEC as one of the top 50 scientific and technological innovations of 2006. Popular Science, the oldest and best-known American science magazine included BLUETEC in its annual "Best of What's New" list. And Ward's Automotive Group, a leading publisher of a number of media and trade magazines for the automotive industry, has nominated the E 320 BLUETEC engine for its list of ten best drive systems in 2007.
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With its powerful V8 diesel engine, which develops 216 kW (290 hp) and a mighty 700 Nm (515 lb ft) of torque, the Vision GL 420 BLUETEC guarantees the very highest levels of performance. Yet this same compression-ignition engine complies with the stringent US BIN 5 emissions standard, makes do with just 9.8 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres (24 mpg) and has a range of up to 1000 kilometres (600 miles) on a full tank. These impressive figures underline yet again that BLUETEC® vehicles are ideally suited to the American market, where heavy customer demand – especially in the SUV segment – for vehicles with torquey, large-displacement engines is coupled with the need to comply with stringent exhaust-emission regulations. Furthermore, higher fuel prices mean that models with better fuel economy are growing in popularity.

The unique styling of the Vision GL 420 BLUETEC adds visual emphasis to the special status of this model and also addresses the Mercedes-Benz USA customers' wish for vehicles with an even greater degree of exclusivity and a strong, individual identity. The revised, distinctively sculpted front with the dominant radiator grille serves as a visual idiom for the exceptional performance of the V8 diesel engine and lends the Vision GL 420 BLUETEC a sense of dynamic forward movement – even when stationary. This assertive look is complemented by the flared wings, imposing 21 inch wheels and running boards.
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Usually whenever Mercedes presents a "Vision" labeled concept it goes into production soon after. I'd say that the GL420 Bluetec will go on sale sometime next year as a 2009 model that will also be 50-state certified. If the GL320 CDI (soon to be bluetec also) is so popular then the GL420 Bluetec makes sense.

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Usually whenever Mercedes presents a "Vision" labeled concept it goes into production soon after. I'd say that the GL420 Bluetec will go on sale sometime next year as a 2009 model that will also be 50-state certified. If the GL320 CDI (soon to be bluetec also) is so popular then the GL420 Bluetec makes sense.

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I agree. i think US consumers are now ready to accept these clean Deisel cars. Besides MB is already making these for Europe , so it is not like this is a huge development expense for them to bring this to USA. They have already developed Bluetech technology. We bought GL320CDI and love this car.. I will strongly consider 420 once it is available.
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Originally Posted by Germancar1
Usually whenever Mercedes presents a "Vision" labeled concept it goes into production soon after. I'd say that the GL420 Bluetec will go on sale sometime next year as a 2009 model that will also be 50-state certified. If the GL320 CDI (soon to be bluetec also) is so popular then the GL420 Bluetec makes sense.

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I agree. i think US consumers are now ready to accept these clean Deisel cars. Besides MB is already making these for Europe , so it is not like this is a huge development expense for them to bring this to USA. They have already developed Bluetech technology. We bought GL320CDI and love this car.. I will strongly consider 420 once it is available.
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I would be all over a GL 420. By the way, diesel here in FL is about 40cents per gal less than premium gas... LOTS of stations are pumping diesel too so no worries about supply issues...

US consumers are ready for diesel and the more exposure we will get to the new clean diesels, the more popular they will become.

Come on MB - give us the GL 420 diesel!

Oh and make sure you allow all options on the platform:
-Multi contour seats
-ADSII
-Individual tire pressure monitor
-Cooled seats
-Active seats would be good too!
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Come on MB - give us the GL 420 diesel!

Oh and make sure you allow all options on the platform:
-Multi contour seats
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-Individual tire pressure monitor
-Cooled seats
-Active seats would be good too!
Yeah, MB. And while you are it, design the Distronic for 550 also. Now, I must go and find this bad place and stick a thermometer there to see when it freezes over.
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I already have an standing order to get the first available GL420. My sales rep didn't know about its existence, but he asked other people and was told there is a possibility it might show up late 2008 early 2009. Black or blue were my color choices, don't care about the interior as long as it's fully loaded.
I really hope they bring it here, and increase the use of B5 or even B20, we NEED alternative fuel vehicles, I've been running my truck on B5 only since I got it, it's like getting premium gas, but better fuel economy.
Hey, they have the C300 running on E85, they could add an ML and GL to use E85. I tried to order an Armada, but it wasn't available at that time.

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I really hope they bring it here, and increase the use of B5 or even B20, we NEED alternative fuel vehicles, I've been running my truck on B5 only since I got it, it's like getting premium gas, but better fuel economy.
Can you explain what you mean by "it's like getting premium gas, but better fuel economy" a little more? Do you mean it costs more than regular diesel but diesel-to-diesel fuel economy, the one running B5 gets better mileage, or that just running diesel is overall better mileage than gas, even premium?

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Well, from what I've read here, most people get below 20mpg average in town, even the data shows that as a fact, average 20mpg http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
I've been getting 21-22mpg average in my frist 500 miles ( that's 5-10% better fuel economy), and I hope to get even better when the engine gets more miles. I drive very fast on the freeway, above posted speed on the streets, but I don't press hard off the line. I've been loaded with at least three people and up to seven adults ( I couldn't believe it they fit).
Premium gas is around $2.95, regular diesel $2.90-2.95, and I found a place for $2.85. B5 around $2.95.
In addition, the GL450 gets worse mpg (average 15mpg combined), so I'm saving more money, and helping develop alternative and renewable fuels.
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