Frustrated with gl350 power, going back to cayenne turbo
03-16-2014, 09:29 PM
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I sat in a 550 the other day and I noticed a lot of difference between the standard interior and the Gl63.
you can't compare a diesel MB to a Porsche Turbo. other than the obvious difference the MB is a 7 passenger vehicle... two completely different missions. A ML63 would be a more direct comparison.
So you either make your decision on price or mission.
you can't compare a diesel MB to a Porsche Turbo. other than the obvious difference the MB is a 7 passenger vehicle... two completely different missions. A ML63 would be a more direct comparison.
So you either make your decision on price or mission.
03-17-2014, 11:35 AM
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I doubt they could be that close to each other. The Escalade with 6.2l V-8 would pretty much wipe up the GL350 in anything straightline, other than perhaps a 24 hours at Lemans, where the diesel range would eat up any speed advantage.
My Tahoe was of course the shorter version, so rather light as compared with the GL350 which indeed feels heavy.
My Tahoe was of course the shorter version, so rather light as compared with the GL350 which indeed feels heavy.
As far as weight, your Tahoe is nearly exactly the same weight as the GL350, they are around 20lbs apart....
03-17-2014, 09:07 PM
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Keep in mind the ESV is over 6500 lbs and has less torque. Trust me, after 4 Escalades I can say the GL350 is indeed a faster truck overall. And the numbers show it- they are identical 0-60 but the gl350 is nearly a second faster through the quarter mile. Off the line, no way, the ESV wins hands down but that's where it starts to lose steam. Fun fact, your Tahoe is quite a bit slower than the GL- it's 0-60 is around 8.8 seconds.
As far as weight, your Tahoe is nearly exactly the same weight as the GL350, they are around 20lbs apart....
As far as weight, your Tahoe is nearly exactly the same weight as the GL350, they are around 20lbs apart....
Chevy Tahoe: Actually the Suburban 4 X 4 at 0-60 7.7 sec A 2007 Tahoe LT with 5.3l 2WD is 8.6, the 2014 is 6.7.
Cadillac ESV: 0-60 7.0 sec
MB GL350: 0-60 7.4 sec (hard to beleive!) Motortrend says 7.6 sec. Others show 8.6. I've never timed it but doubt it is as fast or faster than the 2008 Tahoe we had. Maybe it is quite deceiving?
I know my 335D is.I don't know who to trust but the the seat of my own pants!
03-17-2014, 09:24 PM
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Numbers don't lie, but I wouldn't go by zeroto60times as they are estimates, not actual tests- and any actual numbers on the site are unverified.
No magazine has instrument tested the ESV but on the escalade forums guys normally clock 16.7-16.8 in the 1/4 and usually see mid 7's 0-60 with their apps and such. The gl350 has tested at 15.8 in the 1/4. I've never seen a GL tested at over 8 seconds 0-60, not by anyone who can conceptualize mashing the gas. If you had a 5.3 Tahoe then they never broke mid 8's. Keep in mind for a little while you could get the same 6.2 as the escalade/ Denali and the 6.0. Which makes sense since the regular escalade normally clocks a 6.6-6.7 0-60.
Like I said, once moving the GL350 is quite fast for a diesel full size SUV.
No magazine has instrument tested the ESV but on the escalade forums guys normally clock 16.7-16.8 in the 1/4 and usually see mid 7's 0-60 with their apps and such. The gl350 has tested at 15.8 in the 1/4. I've never seen a GL tested at over 8 seconds 0-60, not by anyone who can conceptualize mashing the gas. If you had a 5.3 Tahoe then they never broke mid 8's. Keep in mind for a little while you could get the same 6.2 as the escalade/ Denali and the 6.0. Which makes sense since the regular escalade normally clocks a 6.6-6.7 0-60.
Like I said, once moving the GL350 is quite fast for a diesel full size SUV.
03-17-2014, 10:33 PM
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Numbers don't lie, but I wouldn't go by zeroto60times as they are estimates, not actual tests- and any actual numbers on the site are unverified.
No magazine has instrument tested the ESV but on the escalade forums guys normally clock 16.7-16.8 in the 1/4 and usually see mid 7's 0-60 with their apps and such. The gl350 has tested at 15.8 in the 1/4. I've never seen a GL tested at over 8 seconds 0-60, not by anyone who can conceptualize mashing the gas. If you had a 5.3 Tahoe then they never broke mid 8's. Keep in mind for a little while you could get the same 6.2 as the escalade/ Denali and the 6.0. Which makes sense since the regular escalade normally clocks a 6.6-6.7 0-60.
Like I said, once moving the GL350 is quite fast for a diesel full size SUV.
No magazine has instrument tested the ESV but on the escalade forums guys normally clock 16.7-16.8 in the 1/4 and usually see mid 7's 0-60 with their apps and such. The gl350 has tested at 15.8 in the 1/4. I've never seen a GL tested at over 8 seconds 0-60, not by anyone who can conceptualize mashing the gas. If you had a 5.3 Tahoe then they never broke mid 8's. Keep in mind for a little while you could get the same 6.2 as the escalade/ Denali and the 6.0. Which makes sense since the regular escalade normally clocks a 6.6-6.7 0-60.
Like I said, once moving the GL350 is quite fast for a diesel full size SUV.
03-18-2014, 04:41 PM
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I may try the race chip for $700 how can i not, I'm used to spending $2000+ on porsche turbo tunes.... Their claims are quite lofty.... horsepower is bumped to 300 and torque to 580....
03-19-2014, 11:13 AM
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BTW, I had a new '04 SL600 which RENNtech massaged (ECU and Transmission software) and it was a bat out of hell. 635hp and was faster 0-60 with top down to get more weight over rear end. I don't think the 600 was a limited slip like the AMG's but, was still faster then the SL65 stock
I think numbers were around 3.6 and the torque with the TT V12 was breath taking! The Porsche is a little more ruckus but, CRAZY fast. It will also get tuned in the next few weeks for numbers approaching 2.4-2.5 give take from current 2.9-3.0 They're just fun toys. I like your Black.
03-19-2014, 11:35 AM
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All wheel drive 991 Turbo...and Launch Control
BTW, I had a new '04 SL600 which RENNtech massaged (ECU and Transmission software) and it was a bat out of hell. 635hp and was faster 0-60 with top down to get more weight over rear end. I don't think the 600 was a limited slip like the AMG's but, was still faster then the SL65 stock I think numbers were around 3.6 and the torque with the TT V12 was breath taking! The Porsche is a little more ruckus but, CRAZY fast. It will also get tuned in the next few weeks for numbers approaching 2.4-2.5 give take from current 2.9-3.0
They're just fun toys. I like your Black.
BTW, I had a new '04 SL600 which RENNtech massaged (ECU and Transmission software) and it was a bat out of hell. 635hp and was faster 0-60 with top down to get more weight over rear end. I don't think the 600 was a limited slip like the AMG's but, was still faster then the SL65 stock
I think numbers were around 3.6 and the torque with the TT V12 was breath taking! The Porsche is a little more ruckus but, CRAZY fast. It will also get tuned in the next few weeks for numbers approaching 2.4-2.5 give take from current 2.9-3.0 They're just fun toys. I like your Black.
03-19-2014, 11:38 AM
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As others have said, its an apples to oranges comparison. If you don't need a usable 3rd row than its better to compare it with ML63 AMG and if you do than Cayenne Turbo is out of picture
03-19-2014, 06:23 PM
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So the OP is comparing the 7 passenger GL350 diesel, which is the entry level configuration, to the 5 passenger porsche cayenne turbo S, which is the top of the line.
Why not throw in a Mini Cooper and a cigarette boat to the comparison while you're at it?
Doesn't make sense.
The sluggish start of the GL350 from a stop is well documented.
I don't like that detail much either. But the GL is my wife's car, and she's never mentioned it.
Happy wife, happy life.
Why not throw in a Mini Cooper and a cigarette boat to the comparison while you're at it?
Doesn't make sense.
The sluggish start of the GL350 from a stop is well documented.
I don't like that detail much either. But the GL is my wife's car, and she's never mentioned it.
Happy wife, happy life.
03-21-2014, 09:57 PM
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[QUOTE=a330captain;5975124]pulling a pig through 4 feet of mud....
Do you remember saying this
"i thought i did a rudimentary search and couldnt find anything about dropping a cdi into a g. My wife has a new ml and we love the diesel powerplant. I have a cayenne turbo s and really dont need nor use the power and would love cruising with the extended range of a diesel. I assume importation is excessively expensive for a new g 350"
Im so sorry you feel this way. But did you not NOTICE that when you test drove the both of them.
You did test drive the PIG didn't you.
Yep, no pig to test drive at the time, we took out the 450 and sales guy said 0 to 50 the gl350 would feel just as quick, the ml felt much better off the line than the gl...
I will be trying a tuning chip and see if it makes up the difference.....I gave up on the g diesel, couldnt find anything reliable on the net and didnt want to be the first to try it..
Do you remember saying this
"i thought i did a rudimentary search and couldnt find anything about dropping a cdi into a g. My wife has a new ml and we love the diesel powerplant. I have a cayenne turbo s and really dont need nor use the power and would love cruising with the extended range of a diesel. I assume importation is excessively expensive for a new g 350"
Im so sorry you feel this way. But did you not NOTICE that when you test drove the both of them.
You did test drive the PIG didn't you.
Yep, no pig to test drive at the time, we took out the 450 and sales guy said 0 to 50 the gl350 would feel just as quick, the ml felt much better off the line than the gl...
I will be trying a tuning chip and see if it makes up the difference.....I gave up on the g diesel, couldnt find anything reliable on the net and didnt want to be the first to try it..
03-21-2014, 10:02 PM
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So the OP is comparing the 7 passenger GL350 diesel, which is the entry level configuration, to the 5 passenger porsche cayenne turbo S, which is the top of the line.
Why not throw in a Mini Cooper and a cigarette boat to the comparison while you're at it?
Doesn't make sense.
The sluggish start of the GL350 from a stop is well documented.
I don't like that detail much either. But the GL is my wife's car, and she's never mentioned it.
Happy wife, happy life.
Why not throw in a Mini Cooper and a cigarette boat to the comparison while you're at it?
Doesn't make sense.
The sluggish start of the GL350 from a stop is well documented.
I don't like that detail much either. But the GL is my wife's car, and she's never mentioned it.
Happy wife, happy life.
