2020 V167 GLE
04-02-2019, 10:13 PM
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IMO, those wheels should be just fine. I'm going to use the 20s from my '12 ML for Winters. You don't say what year your ML is, but lug bolts went from 12mm to 14mm in 2012, so I'm sure they are not larger now. However, if you get the AMG Line Exterior package (highly recommended), you will need 20" wheels minimum because of brake size.
04-02-2019, 10:15 PM
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IMO, those wheels should be just fine. I'm going to use the 20s from my '12 ML for Winters. You don't say what year your ML is, but lug bolts went from 12mm to 14mm in 2012, so I'm sure they are not larger now. However, if you get the AMG Line Exterior package (highly recommended), you will need 20" wheels minimum because of brake size.
Definitely getting the AMG exterior, still going back and forth on MNP Night package or MSP regular. I'm in Canada, so that's the way our AMG styling goes, night or regular.
Tough call for me.
So that means I won't be able to use the wheels then if 19" don't fit over the brakes. I guess on the old AMG package on our 2012 the brakes were smaller then?
04-02-2019, 11:10 PM
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2020 GLE 450; 2023 BMW M2 Coupe
Brake sizes
Uh, that would be a good assumption :}. GLE 450 AMG Line front rotors are 400 x 36mm. The '12 ML had 330mm front rotors; not sure if AMG package was larger, but the ML 550 of that year was 375mm, so that's a good guess.
04-03-2019, 12:50 PM
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Updated Dealer Order Guide 4.2.19
Hot off the presses, so to speak. Since the 3/14 one:
- GLE 580 added (Q4 2019)
- 22" RXS & RXT wheels finally available on 580 only
- Black/Tartufo & Black/Magma Grey leather & White/Black Nappa leather delayed until 12/2019
04-03-2019, 01:09 PM
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The wait goes on without end
Supposedly my vehicle started production and was assigned a VIN on 2/21, almost 6 weeks ago and has been in status B4 the last few weeks! Production date was 3/13, 19 days ago. So, I contacted MBUSA Customer Assistance Center a week ago and have had a couple emails & calls since with no information. So after another call to CAC today I finally get hold of the "executive referral manager" (fancy title, huh), who only told me GLE production has been on hold pending parts and he is trying to get more information. He was clueless beyond that.
Over the weekend I also got on my sales guy and the dealer sales manager. and told them they need to get on MBUSA, as well. Today I hear from my sales guy, who had called Distribution this morning and was told my order would be given "top priority" and should go B5 by the end of the week. He asked if my MBUX Tech Package or my designo trim selection was an issue and was told no. Apparently the sales manager also sent an email to Distribution and the West Coast Sales team explaining that a long time Mercedes customer was very unhappy and, what was going on?
So, at this point I will believe it when I see it. I must say if Mercedes handles all orders like this when there are production issues they are going down in reputation fast (and I will help!). Why NetStar can't be updated with a realistic best guess production date when the original one is not met I don't know, but it hasn't been in my case. I'm trying to keep the faith.
Over the weekend I also got on my sales guy and the dealer sales manager. and told them they need to get on MBUSA, as well. Today I hear from my sales guy, who had called Distribution this morning and was told my order would be given "top priority" and should go B5 by the end of the week. He asked if my MBUX Tech Package or my designo trim selection was an issue and was told no. Apparently the sales manager also sent an email to Distribution and the West Coast Sales team explaining that a long time Mercedes customer was very unhappy and, what was going on?
So, at this point I will believe it when I see it. I must say if Mercedes handles all orders like this when there are production issues they are going down in reputation fast (and I will help!). Why NetStar can't be updated with a realistic best guess production date when the original one is not met I don't know, but it hasn't been in my case. I'm trying to keep the faith.
"Hi Dave,
Those GLE’s are holding for parts to build. And at this moment we do not have any eta.
Thanks
Sincerely /Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Taz Khan
Regional Distribution Liaison – Western Region
Vehicle Distribution & Logistics
Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC
One Mercedes Benz Drive
Sandy Springs, Ga-30328
ETA Text Hotline 201 xxx xxxx
Distribution Hotline 800 xxx xxxx"
He asked if any options could be changed to improve the situation and was told "no."
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04-03-2019, 01:30 PM
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What does he mean by those GLE’s Greg...??
I knew it was too good to be true! Response from Distribution to my sales manager's weekend email.
"Hi Dave,
Those GLE’s are holding for parts to build. And at this moment we do not have any eta.
Thanks
Sincerely /Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Taz Khan
Regional Distribution Liaison – Western Region
Vehicle Distribution & Logistics
Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC
One Mercedes Benz Drive
Sandy Springs, Ga-30328
ETA Text Hotline 201 xxx xxxx
Distribution Hotline 800 xxx xxxx"
He asked if any options could be changed to improve the situation and was told "no."
"Hi Dave,
Those GLE’s are holding for parts to build. And at this moment we do not have any eta.
Thanks
Sincerely /Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Taz Khan
Regional Distribution Liaison – Western Region
Vehicle Distribution & Logistics
Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC
One Mercedes Benz Drive
Sandy Springs, Ga-30328
ETA Text Hotline 201 xxx xxxx
Distribution Hotline 800 xxx xxxx"
He asked if any options could be changed to improve the situation and was told "no."
04-03-2019, 01:38 PM
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04-03-2019, 06:29 PM
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Now I am really not in a hurry. Mrs. H wants the Black/Tartufo. Looking at the good side of it, maybe initial bugs will have been worked out.
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04-03-2019, 06:57 PM
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04-03-2019, 08:06 PM
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Greg, Thank you for all you do to keep us informed. The delay and the interiors is going to be a showstopper for me. Just asked my dealer to confirm (though I can see it in the order guide) because I'm not going to ask for my deposit back until he does. I really wanted one of these, but not waiting until December, especially since dates associated with production aren't really a strong suit of MB these days. I do like the look of the new Cayenne Coupes. May have to do a bit more research.
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04-04-2019, 09:21 AM
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Cayenne
Porsche has refined "optional" to an art form. With the Cayenne starting at $65,700 and the Coupe at $75,300 it's not hard to reach $100k. Sport tailpipes in silver or black? That will be $950, please!
04-04-2019, 11:40 AM
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In the UK there are very few options available on the 450 and they are in packages, Premium, Premium plus 2 choices of leather, 2 choices of wheels and the usual colours + 4 packages - Driving assistant, Tech, Tech plus and offroad. I specced my car up with all but off road. To spec an X5 4.0i to same standard I had to chose 36 options.
Makes a big difference on resale because you don't get a lot back for the options.
Makes a big difference on resale because you don't get a lot back for the options.
04-04-2019, 04:59 PM
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In the UK there are very few options available on the 450 and they are in packages, Premium, Premium plus 2 choices of leather, 2 choices of wheels and the usual colours + 4 packages - Driving assistant, Tech, Tech plus and offroad. I specced my car up with all but off road. To spec an X5 4.0i to same standard I had to chose 36 options.
Makes a big difference on resale because you don't get a lot back for the options.
Makes a big difference on resale because you don't get a lot back for the options.
04-04-2019, 06:05 PM
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It's no embarrassment IMO, it's done on purpose. You have to understand it isn't that Porsche can't package their options better, they don't have to. Big difference. The Porsche name is so legendary and the engineering so exacting that they can sell you the body, engine, transmission and wheels as the "experience" and then charge extra for everything else. They are the most profitable car company on the planet for this reason. The upside is that Porsches are more unique/bespoke vs MB/BMW/Audi vehicles that have the same exact options on hundreds of cars. You can get a Porsche done any way you like it. Their website, pricing info is up to day withing HOURS of a new model being shown vs MBUSA who won't have it updated until after the cars are at dealers and/or on sale already. That's the embarrassment to me.
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04-04-2019, 07:12 PM
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It's no embarrassment IMO, it's done on purpose. You have to understand it isn't that Porsche can't package their options better, they don't have to. Big difference. The Porsche name is so legendary and the engineering so exacting that they can sell you the body, engine, transmission and wheels as the "experience" and then charge extra for everything else. They are the most profitable car company on the planet for this reason. The upside is that Porsches are more unique/bespoke vs MB/BMW/Audi vehicles that have the same exact options on hundreds of cars. You can get a Porsche done any way you like it. Their website, pricing info is up to day withing HOURS of a new model being shown vs MBUSA who won't have it updated until after the cars are at dealers and/or on sale already. That's the embarrassment to me.
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Stand by my point that others have also made. You compare a base model Porsche with the competition and you think it's actually a similarly equipped vehicle in the same price range, but it isn't. Things that should be standard on a car in this price range -- and ARE standard on the competition-- are very pricey options on a Porsche. I noted the safety equipment already, but things like keyless access also come to mind.
As others have said, all they really do is create the illusion that their cars are similarly priced with the competition at first glance. This is very different from the point you make that I 100% agree with, by the way. Being able to order a custom exterior paint or opt for a lizard green tach bezel harms no one that doesn't want to do so. To each his own.
I'm actually going Porsche Cayenne shopping this week, so no hate on the brand. I have noted their resale advantage on some models too. But I will likely seek assistance in "spec-ing" the car to ensure I don't spend foolishly. I have also reviewed "in stock" vehicles to see how dealers equip cars for the average customer.
04-04-2019, 07:34 PM
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Lauding Porsche based on how poorly MBUSA executes its website is an interesting approach. Having just canceled my GLE order though, I'm the last guy looking to defend MBUSA today. No fight in me for that.
Stand by my point that others have also made. You compare a base model Porsche with the competition and you think it's actually a similarly equipped vehicle in the same price range, but it isn't. Things that should be standard on a car in this price range -- and ARE standard on the competition-- are very pricey options on a Porsche. I noted the safety equipment already, but things like keyless access also come to mind.
As others have said, all they really do is create the illusion that their cars are similarly priced with the competition at first glance. This is very different from the point you make that I 100% agree with, by the way. Being able to order a custom exterior paint or opt for a lizard green tach bezel harms no one that doesn't want to do so. To each his own.
I'm actually going Porsche Cayenne shopping this week, so no hate on the brand. I have noted their resale advantage on some models too. But I will likely seek assistance in "spec-ing" the car to ensure I don't spend foolishly. I have also reviewed "in stock" vehicles to see how dealers equip cars for the average customer.
Stand by my point that others have also made. You compare a base model Porsche with the competition and you think it's actually a similarly equipped vehicle in the same price range, but it isn't. Things that should be standard on a car in this price range -- and ARE standard on the competition-- are very pricey options on a Porsche. I noted the safety equipment already, but things like keyless access also come to mind.
As others have said, all they really do is create the illusion that their cars are similarly priced with the competition at first glance. This is very different from the point you make that I 100% agree with, by the way. Being able to order a custom exterior paint or opt for a lizard green tach bezel harms no one that doesn't want to do so. To each his own.
I'm actually going Porsche Cayenne shopping this week, so no hate on the brand. I have noted their resale advantage on some models too. But I will likely seek assistance in "spec-ing" the car to ensure I don't spend foolishly. I have also reviewed "in stock" vehicles to see how dealers equip cars for the average customer.
We have an Audi SQ5 with some of the similar Porsche driving features. I drive it every chance I get. Using the story earlier it’s like a Mistress on steroids. And as you said you will get some of the premium you pay back on resale.
04-04-2019, 07:38 PM
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Damn it, I found out my GLE is delayed.... No good answer from my dealership, Mercedes is mummed on this....
04-04-2019, 07:48 PM
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Q5s are good looking and about the size I need, I loved the GLE450 for the MBUX and the mild hybrid 48-volt electrical system, but really don't need a car that big. Initially, I was hoping a GLE coupe would surface at the same time as the new full-size SUVs.
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04-04-2019, 07:52 PM
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Thank you for noting the Audi. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on the vehicle telematics? I understand Audi does a pretty good job in that area.
Q5s are good looking and about the size I need, I loved the GLE450 for the MBUX and the mild hybrid 48-volt electrical system, but really don't need a car that big. Initially, I was hoping a GLE couple would surface at the same time as the new full-size SUVs.
Q5s are good looking and about the size I need, I loved the GLE450 for the MBUX and the mild hybrid 48-volt electrical system, but really don't need a car that big. Initially, I was hoping a GLE couple would surface at the same time as the new full-size SUVs.
04-04-2019, 07:58 PM
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Bummer, the lack of feedback from Mercedes just makes a bad situation worse. They need to make some Management Personnel changes fast. This fiasco started with delays in EPA approval and just gets worse each day. Some issues can always be expected with a redesign and some may be caused by 3rd party suppliers. It still reflects on management when issues become so prevalent and keeping Dealers and customers in the dark let’s the “rumor mill” drive a negative narrative.
04-04-2019, 08:02 PM
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Actually, just priced out a nice Q8. Basically loaded for $95K. That's in my price range. Going to go check them out tomorrow afternoon. Thanks for weighing in on this. Last question if you don't mind. Happy with the quality?
04-04-2019, 08:23 PM
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Thank you for noting the Audi. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on the vehicle telematics? I understand Audi does a pretty good job in that area.
Q5s are good looking and about the size I need, I loved the GLE450 for the MBUX and the mild hybrid 48-volt electrical system, but really don't need a car that big. Initially, I was hoping a GLE couple would surface at the same time as the new full-size SUVs.
Q5s are good looking and about the size I need, I loved the GLE450 for the MBUX and the mild hybrid 48-volt electrical system, but really don't need a car that big. Initially, I was hoping a GLE couple would surface at the same time as the new full-size SUVs.
Telematics work well but from our 2018 there were changes in 2019. Audi has replaced the basic vehicle operating system with Android. This should make it work better with Android and Apple phone app integration. MBUX will have more features and larger screens but I’m almost 2 years out of date now so take a look at one and decide. I don’t care for the way the Nav screen looks like a tablet stuck in the center of the dash. The Mercedes GLC is similar. Our vehicle has been trouble free.
04-04-2019, 09:31 PM
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I actually do! It has solid buttons, switch feel and dashboard quality then the Q5 which I find cheap. My 2016 A7 has 51k miles and my 2012 Audi A8L has 180k miles and they both are excellent in reliability and quality. I am happy with the new infotainment in the latest Audis and I plan to wait for the next generation S7 coming this fall after seeing the new A7. The tech and the features are so amazing. I hope the mbux is just as good.
