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Interestingly, the Motor1.com article calls this a 2019. Is there a chance it is being released in Europe as a '19 and US as a '20? They also talk about the indentation in the C pillar like it's a new thing?

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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
Is there a chance it is being released in Europe as a '19 and US as a '20?
Yes. Thought we already covered that in May?

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If this was just published, why are they still calling it a 2019? We all have known for weeks that's not happening. Hardly a scoop.
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Saying 2019 W167 is not a mistake. Europe and Germany will be able to purchase the W167 as 2019 models. Historically Germany gets cars prior to US.

There is no 2017 W213 E63 in the US. Germany sold the first W213 E63 as a 2017 model - the first US model which is the very same car is a 2018 model year.

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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
Interestingly, the Motor1.com article ... They also talk about the indentation in the C pillar like it's a new thing?
Article says Mercedes has not changed C-pillar:

"C-pillar, and here we can clearly see Mercedes hasn’t messed around with the recipe as the 2019 model will still have it"

Some previous speculations was that the W167 would have C-pillars like GLC and GLS.
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Article says Mercedes has not changed C-pillar:

"C-pillar, and here we can clearly see Mercedes hasn’t messed around with the recipe as the 2019 model will still have it"

Some previous speculations was that the W167 would have C-pillars like GLC and GLS.
Perhaps because the 2019 GLE is the very same car as the 2018 GLE. You can go to your MB dealer today and order a 2019 GLE and it will be a 2019. When the new GLE W167 is released (likely in the first or 2nd quarter of 2019), it will be released as the 2020 GLE.
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Article says Mercedes has not changed C-pillar:

"C-pillar, and here we can clearly see Mercedes hasn’t messed around with the recipe as the 2019 model will still have it"
Some previous speculations was that the W167 would have C-pillars like GLC and GLS.
I was referring to this part: "...we can clearly see Mercedes hasn’t messed around with the recipe as the 2019 model will still have it, but with a twist. Look closer and you’ll immediately notice an indentation in the pillar acting as an extension of the quarter glass’ outline. It goes up to meet the thick chrome framing of the rear doors and will make the next-gen model easily identifiable compared to its predecessor when looking at the side profile." It sounds to me like they are talking about the indented curving line, but this is something the W166 has as well, so that is not a differentiation between models.
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Perhaps because the 2019 GLE is the very same car as the 2018 GLE. You can go to your MB dealer today and order a 2019 GLE and it will be a 2019. When the new GLE W167 is released (likely in the first or 2nd quarter of 2019), it will be released as the 2020 GLE.
The referenced article is about the W167, but it is called a 2019. https://www.motor1.com/news/244504/m...-minimal-camo/
Since this is a European source the resulting question is if Europe gets the new one as a '19.
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The referenced article is about the W167, but it is called a 2019. https://www.motor1.com/news/244504/m...-minimal-camo/
Since this is a European source the resulting question is if Europe gets the new one as a '19.
It is all rather confusing for sure.

Got to have a little fun today. In addition to the W167 GLE, we'll also be getting a 2019 C300 Cabriolet. I have the preliminary build guide for the 2019 and for fun we put together a list of all the options we'd want on it and I sent it to my Salesguy to get a price. He called me at noon today to say it priced out at $64,970 (we put a lot of options on it) and oh, by the way, he took the liberty of ordering it. My dealer never asks for a deposit on a special order for us, so I'm sure when it comes in (he said in late August early September), I'm sure we'll take it.
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
I was referring to this part: "...we can clearly see Mercedes hasn’t messed around with the recipe as the 2019 model will still have it, but with a twist. Look closer and you’ll immediately notice an indentation in the pillar acting as an extension of the quarter glass’ outline. It goes up to meet the thick chrome framing of the rear doors and will make the next-gen model easily identifiable compared to its predecessor when looking at the side profile." It sounds to me like they are talking about the indented curving line, but this is something the W166 has as well, so that is not a differentiation between models.
Yeah, that's already there.

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MBUSA 2019 models press release

The MBUSA press release distributed today goes through the model lineup in detail. This on the GLE, which we already knew, of course:

GLE & GLE Coupe
Highlights for 2019
  • The GLE and GLE Coupe return for MY19 with no equipment changes.
https://media.mbusa.com/releases/201...pdates-changes
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Form the Motor1.com website today:

"Mercedes’ Tuscaloosa plant in Alabama is the place of birth of large SUVs such as the GLE, GLE Coupe, and the GLS where these are produced to cater the world market. The company is investing a total of $1 billion to expand its manufacturing footprint in that area and will hire more than 600 jobs to get ready for the EQ-badged SUVs.

Speaking of electrified high-riding models, Mercedes recently organized a meeting with suppliers in the United States to prepare for the next generation of U.S.-built SUVs and one of the new models coming will be a plug-in hybrid. Production of the model in question will kick off later this year and it won’t be the only partially electrified SUV.

While the identity of the model has not been disclosed, an educated guess would have to be the next-generation GLE taking into account prototypes have been spotted in the past few days with barely any camouflage. The plug-in hybrid derivative Mercedes is referring to is likely a successor for the outgoing GLE 550e 4Matic, but there’s actually going to be more than just one electrified flavor of what is being described as the “next generation SUV.”

Following the GLE’s expected introduction in the weeks or months to come, the bigger GLS is slated to arrive at some point in 2019 and we won’t be too surprised if it will spawn a plug-in hybrid model as well."
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
The MBUSA press release distributed today goes through the model lineup in detail. This on the GLE, which we already knew, of course:

https://media.mbusa.com/releases/201...pdates-changes
Thanks for the press release. Wonder why they call the 2019 G-Class a facelift? It's not a facelift when only the door handles come from the previous generation

"G 550 / AMG G 63 (facelift) Late 2018"

and

"G-Class

Facelifted for 2019"
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Thanks for the press release. Wonder why they call the 2019 G-Class a facelift? It's not a facelift when only the door handles come from the previous generation

"G 550 / AMG G 63 (facelift) Late 2018"

and

"G-Class

Facelifted for 2019"
Obviously an incorrect title when they go on to describe it.
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Autobild.de 6/11 article

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"After Mercedes has closed the last gaps in the SUV program with GLC and GLE Coupé, the existing series are now being renovated. The start will be in 2018 with the new GLE. Fresh photos of the subtly disguised Erlkönig are reminiscent of the smaller GLC with its typical C-pillar. At the rear, the SUV even takes over some design elements of the new A-Class: The taillights and the distinctive indentation for the license plate are reminiscent of the Stuttgart compact class.

The outer dimensions remain almost unchanged, a longer wheelbase and the wider track create more space in the interior. Targeted lightweight construction reduces the weight by around 150 kilograms, and the suspension, which is sprung with air suspension, is designed to noticeably improve comfort. For this reason, Mercedes may also save four-wheel drive - so does BMW in the base model of its biggest rival, the X5, after all.

The range of comfort extras comes from the E-Class. The seats in row two can also be adjusted, ventilated, heated and equipped with a massage function. Mercedes wants to expand the electric range of the plug-in GLE from 50 to 100 kilometers. There will be a four-cylinder and a six-cylinder in conjunction with a 90 kW electric motor. A comeback celebrating the three-liter inline six-cylinder, which is to be offered as diesel with 272 and 340 hp and gasoline with 267 and 435 hp. The V8 is only available in the AMG variant with up to 640 hp. In the future, the AMG GLE 43 will no longer be a V6, but a straight-six. How To Cars expects an entry price of about 55,000 euros."

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/merce...-10704989.html

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Auto Motor und Sport 6/11 article

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"Mercedes is currently testing the new generation of the GLE and we have already shot the SUV almost undisguised. A first look into the cockpit is already successful. Here all information and pictures of the W167.

"With the W167, the the SUV is built on the MRA platform of the current E-Class. This platform is again optimized for SUVs including the upcoming GLS. Thanks to the platform, the GLE is again relieved by a few kilos - it is assumed that the two-ton mark will be undercut, but only because the new Mercedes GLE is delivered in the basic version only with rear wheel drive. In terms of dimensions, the SUV grows only marginally at track width and wheelbase.

Otherwise, the new Mercedes GLE has more off-road qualities compared to its predecessor. In addition to more ground clearance and front and rear underrun protection, this also includes improved axle articulation, air suspension, limited slip differentials and transmissions with reduction options.

Two AMG versions of the Mercedes GLE
As top versions, Mercedes is the GLE AMG63 and launch AMG63 S. Instead of the elderly 5.5-liter V8 comes the corporate all-purpose weapon, the four-liter V8 Biturbo used. In the AMG E-Class makes this unit 571 and 612 hp. For the more civil propulsion three-liter six-cylinder with 367 hp or as GLE 53 with hybrid drive and 435 hp + 22 E-PS at the start. On the diesel side, there are the inline six-cylinder with 286 to 340 hp. The engines are said to be 20 percent more economical, not least thanks to the partially introduced 48-volt electrical system with 15-kW starter generator. Even a hybrid powertrain will be modifying entry into the new Mercedes GLE hold. Here, the Stuttgart combine for the plug-in hybrid, a two-liter four-cylinder petrol engine with a 90 kW electric motor. The system performance should be 279 hp. Later, a diesel hybrid is added. On the transmission side, an automatic access system can be combined with all drives.

Visually, the new generation of the Mercedes turns out a favorable GLE not as a revolution, but as evolution. Aprons and sills are redesigned, the grill modified. The distinctive beads on the side should also be revised, but the profile line is now above the door handles. And the characteristic C-pillar should continue to strive against the direction of travel - but here it gets a new impetus. As with the current series, the Mercedes GLE as GLE Coupé (C292) should come later on the market.

Gigantic display landscape in the cockpit
The view into the cockpit of the new GLE reveals an oversized display that reaches far beyond the center of the dashboard. As in the S-Class the left half serves to display all relevant driving information, the right part uses the infotainment and navigation system. Under the display they make four new rectangular air vents wide. The driver reaches into a newly designed steering wheel including touchpad. For the rear passengers in the GLE, there should be more space."

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...bilder-preise/
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W167 GLE debut in Los Angeles?

According to AutoExpress, the new model is most likely to be revealed at the LA Auto Show, which starts November 30 this year.
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According to AutoExpress, the new model is most likely to be revealed at the LA Auto Show, which starts November 30 this year.
Boo....I was hoping for the Paris Auto Show, which is October 4 - 11.
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Sadly nothing will be revealed at the Jan 2019 Detroit NAIAS because MBZ has dropped out along with BMW, Audi, Porsche, Land Rover, Jaguar etc.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...roit-auto-show
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Sadly nothing will be revealed at the Jan 2019 Detroit NAIAS because MBZ has dropped out along with BMW, Audi, Porsche, Land Rover, Jaguar etc.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...roit-auto-show
Fortunately, one would surmise this decision has nothing to do with time tables to announce the new GLE. I used to look forward to attending our local auto show. Now I just do what most people do and that is compare everything of interest via their web browser. And then go drive what seems of interest.
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Wacky year for us GLE owners. Never been so in the dark so late in the year.
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Wacky year for us GLE owners. Never been so in the dark so late in the year.
Not just you GLE owners. Us wannabe GLE owners feel the darkness too! LOL
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Fortunately, one would surmise this decision has nothing to do with time tables to announce the new GLE. I used to look forward to attending our local auto show. Now I just do what most people do and that is compare everything of interest via their web browser. And then go drive what seems of interest.
Many cities have local auto shows but there are only 4 auto shows in the US where cars are revealed or debuted. Detroit, New York, Chicago and LA.

The 2018 Detroit show was important enough to reveal the G-Class. If the W167 is not shown for the first time (not debuted) in the US at the December 2018 LA Auto Show then when? Chicago show in Feb 2019 or New York show in April 2019?
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If this a 2nd Q US release then it’s probably early to expect detailed release info. Unless they want to stay even with X5 (out in detail) and Q8 release dribbling out.
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Many cities have local auto shows but there are only 4 auto shows in the US where cars are revealed or debuted. Detroit, New York, Chicago and LA.

The 2018 Detroit show was important enough to reveal the G-Class. If the W167 is not shown for the first time (not debuted) in the US at the December 2018 LA Auto Show then when? Chicago show in Feb 2019 or New York show in April 2019?
It's all conjecture and anyone's guess at this point. MB doesn't seem to be particularly concerned with matching BMW or Audi who both will have their respective GLE beater out as 2019 stock. One of the rumors I read, can't remember where, was MB may reveal the new GLE at the Paris Auto Show, which is scheduled for October 4 - 11. MB doesn't have to release the car in the US as this will be a global release, with all GLE's being built in Alabama for all markets.
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One of the rumors I read, can't remember where, was MB may reveal the new GLE at the Paris Auto Show, which is scheduled for October 4 - 11. MB doesn't have to release the car in the US as this will be a global release, with all GLE's being built in Alabama for all markets.
I reported Paris back on 5/10 - don't remember which source I read that in. Whether the AutoExpress recent 6/11 prediction ("The BMW X5 rival is expected to make its debut before the end of the year, most likely at the LA Motor Show.") is based on more current information is unknown.
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