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Old 11-28-2020 | 07:31 AM
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Thanks. Canadian market, so may or may not be the same in the US. However, if US gets the same absolutely the best performance street tire there is on GLE53 with 21", then AMG Active Ride package is a must (for me anyway) as I would add GLE63 brakes ($2,500) no matter what. So the rest for an other $2,500 including these tires? To me choice is simple - yes. I also do not like all alcatara steering wheel, but am sure something can be worked out with a dealer by swapping a more expensive steering wheel for a lesser one.
Old 11-28-2020 | 08:01 AM
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The US gets A/S tires on 21’s as per the Configurator and confirmed by my Dealer. The only one I’ve seen had Pirelli A/S.
Old 11-28-2020 | 10:44 AM
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KJ, do you have 21" wheels/tires or 22"? If 21" wheels/tires, what exact tires are on your car? For 22" on GLE AMGs (both 53/63), MB is using only summer Y speed rated performance biased tires. But for 21" wheels, GLE53 is normally equipped (those without AMG Active Ride) with V speed rated Touring Continental tires. The only GLE53 with AMG Active Ride I saw had 22" wheels. Would be interesting to know what tires MB uses on GLE53 for 21" wheels when car has AMG Active Ride option.
Michelin Pilot Sport 4:
Front: 273/45-ZR21
Back: 315/40-ZR21
Old 11-28-2020 | 02:32 PM
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Great, as also confirmed by Tery above. Are you US based or Canada based as Tery?
Old 11-29-2020 | 01:58 PM
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My 53 has 21" wheels, it came with Continental ContiSport 6 summer tires.
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Old 11-29-2020 | 06:23 PM
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My question is not necessarily for any GLE53 with 21", but rather specifically GLE53s on 21" equipped with optional (in the US) AMG Active Ride. It is clear that MB is using proper tires for GLE53 worldwide - summer only, then customer installs winters (or is expected to) for winter. US is different - A/S tires are on all US GLE53s without AMG Active Ride($5K option in the US). Hence to be clear my question is for US market only with AMG Active Ride and only with 21" wheels. I know all GLEs on 22" have summer performance tires.
Old 11-29-2020 | 07:42 PM
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My question is not necessarily for any GLE53 with 21", but rather specifically GLE53s on 21" equipped with optional (in the US) AMG Active Ride. It is clear that MB is using proper tires for GLE53 worldwide - summer only, then customer installs winters (or is expected to) for winter. US is different - A/S tires are on all US GLE53s without AMG Active Ride($5K option in the US). Hence to be clear my question is for US market only with AMG Active Ride and only with 21" wheels. I know all GLEs on 22" have summer performance tires.
What I was told, as we ordered our '21 AMG53 SUV at the Dealer, was that the 20's and 22's came with Summer Performance tires, and the 21's are All Season.
Since the Dynamic Plus Package (DE6) (which we ordered)only allows 21 or 22, I ordered the 21's. My Configure Print shows RWE 21" AMG wheels, and also R02 All Season Tires. Standard Equipment lists a 669 Collapsible Spare Tire.

And U38 Nappa Leather Dashboard, a forced (?) option with 561 AMG Black Exclusive Nappa Leather seats, to answer an earlier question about the dash covering.
Old 11-29-2020 | 08:35 PM
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... Dealer, was that the 20's ... with Summer Performance tires, and the 21's are All Season.
That makes no sense to me. Have not seen any 53 with 20" wheels yet to check the tires. I would not get a "performance" car with 5.5" sidewall tires, just counterintuitive.

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Since the Dynamic Plus Package (DE6) (which we ordered)only allows 21 or 22
Yes you're getting enormous GLE63 brakes (16"+ front rotors?, wow).
Old 12-01-2020 | 04:54 PM
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Great, as also confirmed by Tery above. Are you US based or Canada based as Tery?
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Old 01-01-2021 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron.s
The US gets A/S tires on 21’s as per the Configurator and confirmed by my Dealer. The only one I’ve seen had Pirelli A/S.
​​​Well, @Ron.s now that your AMG53 with ARC suspension package has arrived (yay), what model of tires are included?
I hope they are a step up from basic 21's on non- ARC all seasons....
Old 01-01-2021 | 06:42 PM
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​​​Well, @Ron.s now that your AMG53 with ARC suspension package has arrived (yay), what model of tires are included?
I hope they are a step up from basic 21's on non- ARC all seasons....
Unfortunately not. Same, IMO inappropriate for 53, A/S Contis touring instead of performance tires.
Old 01-01-2021 | 07:06 PM
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​​​Well, @Ron.s now that your AMG53 with ARC suspension package has arrived (yay), what model of tires are included?
I hope they are a step up from basic 21's on non- ARC all seasons....
Afaik there is only one decent AS tire in that size with Speed Rating V. Factory tire is the Continental Crosscontact LX Sport. They look a little different than I remember them...maybe tweaked for Mercedes. Actually the tread pattern and sipes look interesting. I’ll clean off the tread and take a Pic. Where I travel, I have to have AS because the Performance tires are subject to “tread compound cracking” at or near 32 degrees. The shoulder season at elevation can get to those temps before it’s time to run winter tires.
I’ve been changing tires, setting up MBUX & loading the boxes of stuff from my 450. Can’t believe all the stuff you can get in the spare tire area. I’ll post some pics/info on the wheels and brakes later this evening. I turned my garage heater off a little too soon so went from sweating to cold & need a shower.

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Old 01-01-2021 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron.s
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I’ve been changing tires, setting up MBUX & loading the boxes of stuff from my 450. Can’t believe all the stuff you can get in the spare tire area. I’ll post some pics/info on the wheels and brakes later this evening. I turned my garage heater off a little too soon so went from sweating to cold & need a shower.
Ah, the fun stuff you've been waiting for. Enjoy!
Hopefully "setting up MBUX" will be easier the second time around.
Old 01-01-2021 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron.s
Afaik there is only one decent AS tire in that size with Speed Rating V. Factory tire is the Continental Crosscontact LX Sport. They look a little different than I remember them...maybe tweaked for Mercedes. Actually the tread pattern and sipes look interesting. I’ll clean off the tread and take a Pic. Where I travel, I have to have AS because the Performance tires are subject to “tread compound cracking” at or near 32 degrees. The shoulder season at elevation can get to those temps before it’s time to run winter tires.......
That's a real disappointment, but not unexpected. I really don't like running All Seasons in the High Country, where they are only reliable in maybe August - September.
I was hoping they would put a "Three Peaks and Snowflake" tire on, so I could enjoy the twisties without changing tires. The tech in many of those outperforms most AS tires in just about every condition. Several sets of Nokians have passed through our garages over the years. Michelin may have good options again, too. But yes, the selection in our size is slim, SO FAR (hoping).
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That's a real disappointment, but not unexpected. I really don't like running All Seasons in the High Country, where they are only reliable in maybe August - September.
I was hoping they would put a "Three Peaks and Snowflake" tire on, so I could enjoy the twisties without changing tires. The tech in many of those outperforms most AS tires in just about every condition. Several sets of Nokians have passed through our garages over the years. Michelin may have good options again, too. But yes, the selection in our size is slim, SO FAR (hoping).

Great idea....I read that the CrossClimate was developed in conjunction with Mercedes for the European market so there’s hope. Unless the smaller market for specialty sizes deters Michelin they could show up in the next 12 months. I bought the Michelin CrossClimate SUV for my wife’s Audi on 11-30-2020 the first day they became available in the size-255/45r20. That was the last day of Costco’s $150 off promotion.
Now I have one less car to swap wheels twice a year. We haven’t had any snow or ice yet so no feedback on performance but they are directional with a similar V pattern like the Pilot Alpin 5 but with less of a V.
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Old 01-02-2021 | 03:00 AM
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Great idea....I read that the CrossClimate was developed in conjunction with Mercedes for the European market so there’s hope. Unless the smaller market for specialty sizes deters Michelin they could show up in the next 12 months. I bought the Michelin CrossClimate SUV for my wife’s Audi on 11-30-2020 the first day they became available in the size-255/45r20. That was the last day of Costco’s $150 off promotion.
Now I have one less car to swap wheels twice a year. We haven’t had any snow or ice yet so no feedback on performance but they are directional with a similar V pattern like the Pilot Alpin 5 but with less of a V.
The CrossClimate2 has been on the radar for a while. Kind of funny looking, but has good reviews for all conditions.
Here's a YouTube video of a Tire Rack guy talking with the Michelin Guy about their tire and its development.
The Michelin Guy says he runs "the Mom and Pop" division at Michelin. (Not UHP or racing.)

I wish Tire Rack sold more brands, so we could use their testing to compare more tires. There is LOTS happening in tire technology, and who knows who will have a killer tire next season. 1010 Tire and Simple Tire seem to have the less popular rubber, just not the testing facilities.
We'll see who gets 3Peak-Snowflake tires in the odd AMG sizes first. I may have to run full snows instead. I'm not inclined to buy separate wheels - I finally got rid of a whole garage bay of mounted snows and don't want to go back.
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Old 03-18-2021 | 11:54 AM
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Well, I am about to answer my original question on this thread, by actually driving an AMG53 with Active Ride Control.
Our ordered car is at the dealer, and we will go there to drive it tomorrow.
We turned in our E-ABC GLE450 on September 9th, so the memory is somewhat distant for making a comparison. Back then, the phasing out of E-ABC on GLE450's was the reason for going to the AMG53.

Since our order was locked prematurely, it's the wrong color and doesn't have the equipment we'd like. Hopefully its merits will outshine those disappointments and we will fall in love.
We'll see if the ARC is as "captivating" as I imagined when we placed our order.
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We turned in our E-ABC GLE450 on September 9th, so the memory is somewhat distant for making a comparison. Back then, the phasing out of E-ABC on GLE450's was the reason for going to the AMG53.
Can you explain this? Was your concern the technology would not be supported in the future? My sense was the elimination of the option on the GLE was related to supply issues, but have not seen anything definitive on this. It is still available on the GLS 580.
Old 03-18-2021 | 12:43 PM
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Can you explain this? Was your concern the technology would not be supported in the future? My sense was the elimination of the option on the GLE was related to supply issues, but have not seen anything definitive on this. It is still available on the GLS 580.
In September, you could not order an E-ABC on a GLE450. Not on the Configurator, OR the DOG. E-ABC was also rejected by the DOG for a 580 - we tried that too.
I really like the 53 engine tech and didn't want a V8.
Now the configurator doesn't show E-ABC OR Burmester 3D for a 580. Slim pickins these days. So I guess if I want active roll bars, it's the 53 we ordered or a GLS (too big) or a GLE63 (overkill).
Fingers crossed.
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In September, you could not order an E-ABC on a GLE450. Not on the Configurator, OR the DOG. E-ABC was also rejected by the DOG for a 580 - we tried that too.
I really like the 53 engine tech and didn't want a V8.
Now the configurator doesn't show E-ABC OR Burmester 3D for a 580. Slim pickins these days. So I guess if I want active roll bars, it's the 53 we ordered or a GLS (too big) or a GLE63 (overkill).
Fingers crossed.
Hey sorry to thread jack an old thread. Having an issue with my GLE 580 w/ e-abc. Its humming obnoxiously when cold turning left or right with slight throttle. Have you noticed this ?
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KJ, do you have 21" wheels/tires or 22"? If 21" wheels/tires, what exact tires are on your car? For 22" on GLE AMGs (both 53/63), MB is using only summer Y speed rated performance biased tires. But for 21" wheels, GLE53 is normally equipped (those without AMG Active Ride) with V speed rated Touring Continental tires. The only GLE53 with AMG Active Ride I saw had 22" wheels. Would be interesting to know what tires MB uses on GLE53 for 21" wheels when car has AMG Active Ride option.

Edit, half paying attention and picked up a 2 year old post🫣
Mine (with Active Ride) came with 21” Conti Crosscontact AS tires and at the time of order/build in the US (late 2020) all 53’s came with AS tires. The Dealer should be able to confirm the tire type but not the brand of tire. I’m not aware of any difference in tire with the AMG Dynamic Plus option. I haven’t been a Continental tire fan but was pleasantly surprised with mine…good wear, comfort and decent handling. Lower Tire pressure makes the comfort factor noticeably better.

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In case this helps anyone, my GLE53 comes with all seasons on 21". I had placed an order for another and they initially selected the 21" black accent one and it showed all seasons on the build sheet, I asked them to change it to the regular 21" and somehow it shows "High Performance Tires". Not sure which tires come with "High Performance" but it's interesting to see that there is an option for the 21" that's not shown on the Dealer order guide. Neither screenshots nor my current build has AMG Dynamic Plus. Sadly other options are currently unavailable that I have on my current GLE so I cancelled my build so I won't know what the R01 option is, I live in California so if it was summer tires I would have been happier. Some older press release pictures show Michelin Pilot 4 which would have been cool to have.





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My order sheet for a 2023 GLE53 has the RWE wheels and the high-performance tires. I remember when we were building the car at the dealership (late August), there was an option for "HIGH-PERFORMANCE TIRES" with a checkable (and checked) box next to it on the order screen. I don't know if it was checked by default or the dealer selected it when he selected the wheels, but since I wanted the option, I didn't question it. But it seems like the two options aren't mutually exclusive. I can report back what R01 is sometime in January, hopefully.



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looking forward to hear, I'll be jealous if it's the Michelins though, another item on my list of shoulda coulda woulda's.
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"High performance" tires means Summer Tires. They'll have a wear rating of around 280, where the All Season tires will be about 480.
The summer tires are more grippy, but shouldn't be used below 40°.

The 21 inch all season tires handle surprisingly well. My 21-inchers are Continental, and I'm very impressed with them.

I can't say what brands they're putting on the 22-in size.


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