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It’s “FAST.” I can understand MBUSA trying to route me 30 miles out of the way because it thinks it’s faster due to a traffic jam, but to route me 30 miles out of the way even though I selected SHORT doesn’t make sense, ERGO, why do you think my SHORT setting had anything to do with what happened to me?
Because I've experienced SHORT resulting in strange routes. Was that not clear? You posted that you are using SHORT, now you are saying it's FAST. Which one is it?
Well, then MB can’t do basic math if it thinks 30 miles out of the way is shorter. I.E., it’s broken.
Not debating that, and we are not going to fix it either on here. I'm just trying to help you with suggesting settings that work for me and others. You can take it or leave it. Seems this car isn't really working for you. First your issues with the driving assistance system and now with the navigation. Either your particular car has some specific defects, or you may need to look elsewhere.
I appreciate your suggestions but sometimes (and don’t take this wrongly) I just shake my head at what you’re saying sometimes. You jump to conclusions in long sentences.
I appreciate your suggestions but sometimes (and don’t take this wrongly) I just shake my head at what you’re saying sometimes. You jump to conclusions in long sentences.
Appreciate the feedback. It is a forum, so posts generally are streams of consciousness. As you can see from my post count and likes, I've been around for a bit helping folks.
On the surface you sound helpful, but it doesn’t take much to peer beneath the surface. Anyways. I appreciate your suggestion that by me using the short setting is what is causing the car to take the long route.
On the surface you sound helpful, but it doesn’t take much to peer beneath the surface. Anyways. I appreciate your suggestion that by me using the short setting is what is causing the car to take the long route.
Yeah ok then. You don't need to insult my intelligence. You are officially on my ignore list. Wasted too much of my time.
Not debating that, and we are not going to fix it either on here. I'm just trying to help you with suggesting settings that work for me and others. You can take it or leave it. Seems this car isn't really working for you. First your issues with the driving assistance system and now with the navigation. Either your particular car has some specific defects, or you may need to look elsewhere.
Agreed….never has one new member had so many issues….not to mention mostly debated on the Forum and he’s too busy to visit the Dealer. I don’t care for aspects of Distronic or Mercedes Nav but “it is what it is”. The perfect vehicle doesn’t exist and assuming that every issue is the Manufacturer’s incompetence, at a few months of ownership, too busy for Dealer, insulting, argumentative…maybe try to live up to your own standards OP!
Agreed….never has one new member had so many issues….not to mention mostly debated on the Forum and he’s too busy to visit the Dealer. I don’t care for aspects of Distronic or Mercedes Nav but “it is what it is”. The perfect vehicle doesn’t exist and assuming that every issue is the Manufacturer’s incompetence, at a few months of ownership, too busy for Dealer, insulting, argumentative…maybe try to live up to your own standards OP!
Well said. On the bright side at the end of the day he is stuck with his issues, probably at least partially created by his own ways, while the rest of us enjoys their cars. Can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. Glad I'm not the service advisor who's eventually gonna have to deal with him.
This is the second time superswiss has come in with some BS suggestion trying to blame user error. I called him out last time. Listen, if I’m doing something wrong, I’ll certainly try and be the first one to admit it. You want to talk argumentative, go back and look in the LKA post.
If you happen to read the original post, I went through every setting the first time it happened and nothing changed. It’s a natural thing to do, right? However, I kept it on SHORT as the default. Explain to me how that setting would send me the long way around? I can understand FAST sending me the long way around because it thinks there’s a traffic jam somewhere. Again, when this first happened it was also on short. I changed it to fast and the 100+ mile re-route never changed. I’m just curious why you think that setting would make a difference?
I can’t explain what’s wrong with this car. I wouldn’t bother wasting my time with these posts. I’ve never had a car that had this many issues so soon after I purchased it. It’s unfortunate as I do like it.
This is the second time superswiss has come in with some BS suggestion trying to blame user error. I called him out last time. Listen, if I’m doing something wrong, I’ll certainly try and be the first one to admit it. You want to talk argumentative, go back and look in the LKA post.
This (called him out) never works to solve any problems and (IMO) illustrates your inability to resolve your issues.
There are a number of members on this forum that have varying levels of expertise and/or experience and are willing to offer suggestions intended to help others. As a new member you might not be so quick to dismiss suggestions but be more inquisitive if you don’t understand them.You can get some bad advice but it’s up to you to filter out helpful info and deal with it rather than try to judge who’s right or wrong. Most of us have found that the Dealer is the place to get unique issues resolved and the Forum can help prepare you for the visit. User error is one big reason that Dealer Service Departments are skeptical about non mechanical issues. This isn’t about admitting a mistake, but one should always consider the possibility when you are changing settings and also having issues that others don’t have….
I’ve had more “difficult to diagnose” issues with my two Mercedes GLE’s than any other member has reported on this Forum. Being an early adopter has those risks. The approach that worked for me was more along this plan:
1. Report the issue on the Forum
2. Gather suggestions from members; check & test relevant settings; did any similar issue get resolved?; any TSB’s reported? Prepare yourself for #3.
3. Decide on the next step-Dealer visit first or Document the issue with pictures or video. The Dealer needs. to verify the issue if it’s not covered by a TSB or Mercedes Tech Talk bulletin
4. Make the appointment and take a written document along outlining the issue in depth along with supporting pics or video. If a member provided a TSB reference or copy of their Service Receipt (similar issue) include a copy.
5. Report any resolution along with the Service doc’s on the thread you started. I chop off the top showing the personal/dealer info but offer to supply it if necessary.
There is no right or wrong way to do this since some issues are more complicated than others. My point here is first to have a plan. It’s never helpful to debate suggestions because you don’t know which members know more about the subject than you do. Asking questions yields better results. Don’t become one of those PIA’ members that aren’t taken seriously!
Hey Ron I appreciate your forum etiquette 101. I get it.
Superswiss—with a straight face—said something that was completely false in the LKA thread. He made it sound legitimate with his long posts and I at first believed him, so excuse me if I have some skepticism believing anything else he says. He doesn’t even own this car. It’s one thing if he came here with a reasonable suggestion, but whatever.
Listen I don’t think you particularly care for my posts very much, which is fine, as I don’t particularly like you, either. But I don’t make a point coming into your threads insulting you, I would appreciate the same.
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Hey Ron I appreciate your forum etiquette 101. I get it.
Superswiss—with a straight face—said something that was completely false in the LKA thread. He made it sound legitimate with his long posts and I at first believed him, so excuse me if I have some skepticism believing anything else he says. He doesn’t even own this car. It’s one thing if he came here with a reasonable suggestion, but whatever.
Listen I don’t think you particularly care for my posts very much, which is fine, as I don’t particularly like you, either. But I don’t make a point coming into your threads insulting you, I would appreciate the same.
Wow…now I’m insulting you by offering a constructive suggestion. This isn’t your Forum and certainly not your thread but it does illustrate how you continue to make disagreements personal. If you are serious about fixing your issues then do something to resolve them rather than complain and attack other members.
Superswiss may not be perfect but he has been a helpful contributing member for years. I followed his posts on the Audi Forum years ago and would rate him as above average with no hidden agenda. This Forum isn’t about any one person since information here is used by other members.
I actually have a question about how my Mercedes NAV works under certain conditions.
Unfortunately with all the back and forth and personal attacks, I'm reluctant to post my questions.
"Some people" can ruin a forum.
This is the second time superswiss has come in with some BS suggestion trying to blame user error. I called him out last time. Listen, if I’m doing something wrong, I’ll certainly try and be the first one to admit it. You want to talk argumentative, go back and look in the LKA post.
If you happen to read the original post, I went through every setting the first time it happened and nothing changed. It’s a natural thing to do, right? However, I kept it on SHORT as the default. Explain to me how that setting would send me the long way around? I can understand FAST sending me the long way around because it thinks there’s a traffic jam somewhere. Again, when this first happened it was also on short. I changed it to fast and the 100+ mile re-route never changed. I’m just curious why you think that setting would make a difference?
I can’t explain what’s wrong with this car. I wouldn’t bother wasting my time with these posts. I’ve never had a car that had this many issues so soon after I purchased it. It’s unfortunate as I do like it.
No idea what the other thread or instance involved, but in this thread it looks like he agreed MB Nav is broken and suggested a workaround (use fastest instead of shortest route).
Go ahead and do whatever you can to force MB to fix it, i dont think anyone here wants to stop you, but the workaround is something you can use in the meantime.
Seems like a hot discussion over something very minor. It appears to me that every navigation system occasionally routes poorly and/or erroneously. Happened to me with Google, Apple, MB, BMW and Audi systems.
Underlying data for US navigation rates very low in my book while all systems in Europe have no problem finding even small dirt roads.
But traffic re-routes often seem cumbersome and are hard to judge as one has to make the choice which alternate is best at the time. Obviously most all drivers follow the same suggestion, degrading said re-route
Yeah I already tried that. I tried both settings and I mentioned that already.
I’m not looking for the dealer to fix this as I don’t think it’s fixable, and I wasn’t looking for a fix here, either, but I was just curious if anyone else experienced poor routing, which for me was a 100+ mile reroute for no apparent reason.
Last edited by Frenetic; Oct 23, 2022 at 03:42 PM.
The menu for NAV is quite deep.
In addition to setting preferences for Fast, Short and more, there is an even deeper menu for "Avoid."
When I first got the car and was diving into the MBUX settings, I made some settings that turned out to be at odds with some of the features that I wanted to enable later.
It took some effort on my part to figure out what I had done, but it turned out to be my operator error before I understood the menus. It looks like you could even avoid an address where you shouldn't be going!
For NAV problems, I'd go back and revisit the basic settings. There are more than I showed here.
While I seldom use the MB Navigation system down here in the Palm Beach County and Treasure Coast areas, the accuracy is pretty good to excellent overall.
I believe that part of the issue is underlying traffic data, that for some reason is either inaccurate or stale (outdated). Three weeks after taking possession of my GLE, I drove from NJ to NC. Nav took me all over the place, and keep rerouting me; very annoying. Later I found out that there was a lot of major construction going on. The return trip wasn't as bad, until I was 3 hours from home. Then suddenly Nav said ETA was 11 hours. I wanted to throw it out the window, but obviously I couldn't. So I shut it off, and switch to WAZE. To my surprise, it also reported an 11 hour trip. Thankfully, it turned out to be only three hours. By the way, Google and WAZE share data.
The point here is that it isn't always some MB conspiracy to make our life miserable, or inadequate design with either hardware or software, but rather the data that is being received by the NAV. Unfortunately, you can't do anything about that, IMO.
"Live" Traffic data is going to be the root cause 99% of the routing errors.
Good point.
And there, the battle will probably be between the two most advanced players, NEAR {the Mercedes source) and Alphabet (Google).
NEAR has Europe locked up with acceptance by Automakers and Self Driving component manufacturers. In the US, NEAR is the primary source for Fleet operations, and is probably the leader in Car-to-X data sharing.
The advantage (today) is that Google maps are updated more frequently than Mercedes' twice per year, but a Waze disadvantage is that it's crowd sourced, relying on direct input to cancel warnings or police spottings.
Car-to-X is more accurate and immediate, and is a better measure of traffic flow and driving conditions
Example - NEAR is alerted when antilock brakes are activated or when wheelspin is detected, so an aggregate will indicate slippery conditions in a very specific area.
Transportation departments and municipalities are receiving NEAR input for alerts of traffic conditions, accidents, and slippery conditions. That ecosystem is marching forward, and I believe Mercedes has chosen the right partner for their NAV.
Also, NEAR is currently accepted as the reliable source for Level 3 self driving cars, Google or the other candidates are not. Mercedes is the only manufacturer with a Level 3 self driving clearance.
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