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I would have, except at the time the Sienna was ancient and ugly and terribly cheap and nasty inside. Its now a hybrid only leaf blower thing to drive...
Those are the exact reasons why I moved from Lexus to MB.
The fact that BMW was rated #1 compared to Toyota and Honda (YouTuber Scotty Kilmer must be hysterically laughing at CR's stats) tells me CR is on someone's kick-back list. Based on my current and previous experience having owned Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz, German brands are probably in the teens. While fun to drive, BMW is known to be very unreliable and the reason why my last one was an e46 3 series.
My 2015 M4 has been totally reliable for almost 9 years now. Never an issue. My '01 and '08 had a few issues, but never left me stranded.
I know a lot of people with modern BMWs that are several years old now and I can't think of one that has significant problems. I had 7 Lexuses and never had one that was problem free.
BMW is in a Golden Age of sorts at the moment regarding reliability and sales momentum. Our X3 has been flawless, except for the active grille shutters. The shutters never caused inconvenience, and were replaced under warranty at a normally scheduled oil change.
The 2.0 4-cylinder, 3.0 6-cylinder and 4.4 V8 all are reliable. We own the 2.0 with no problems, a friend has the V8 and loves it/no problems, BIL has the inline 6/no problems.
Aston Martin Vantage, GLE 43 AMG, Volvo XC60, BMW X1 35i, Ram 1500, BMW Z4 35i
Meanwhile over on the BMW boards everyone is signing up for a CR subscription ...
I have had many BMW's (currently an X1 and Z4) and relatively trouble free. The X1 blew out a charge pipe, (after a tune and rather tough driving) and one oil leak gasket issue (after 85k miles)
Meanwhile over on the BMW boards everyone is signing up for a CR subscription ...
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....thus proving my point that CR is Click Bait.Wait until they read the Paywall article and find the opposite results. Hope they're not sensitive....
I’m not sure what your point is. The GLE is one vehicle, as is the X5. This chart from CR is comparing entire brands.
This thread is posted in the GLE subforum so many of the readers here are owners (or prospective) of GLEs and/or cross-shopping the BMW equivalent. While it's not information regarding the overall brand, it's very much related to the topic and subforum.
8764598[/url]]This thread is posted in the GLE subforum so many of the readers here are owners (or prospective) of GLEs and/or cross-shopping the BMW equivalent. While it's not information regarding the overall brand, it's very much related to the topic and subforum.
I would say the BMW X5 is more likely to be reliable than the GLE, and the CR data also supports that.
Which reveals the story perfectly.
Highest scores in every category except in car electronics and climate system.
I watched one of their reviews for a previous year, and they complained about the climate menu, but didn't know what those metal switches were for. Like a SNL skit gone bad. I'd hoped their "Committee Report" videos weren't indicative of CR in general, but they seem the same.
15 of 17 categories with the top score (behind the Paywall, or hard to find) wouldn't seem to put the brand in the bottom tier.
I would say the BMW X5 is more likely to be reliable than the GLE, and the CR data also supports that.
I thought it was interesting to see the side by sides in the PDFs I attached above. I just don't understand how the X5 got a much greater overall score vs the GLE. They seemed very similar in each category to me but maybe I'm missing something.
I thought it was interesting to see the side by sides in the PDFs I attached above. I just don't understand how the X5 got a much greater overall score vs the GLE. They seemed very similar in each category to me but maybe I'm missing something.
8764608[/url]]I thought it was interesting to see the side by sides in the PDFs I attached above. I just don't understand how the X5 got a much greater overall score vs the GLE. They seemed very similar in each category to me but maybe I'm missing something.
Because there is also a subjective drive score from their test of the cars where the X5 scored much higher than the GLE. That’s why, it’s not just reliability.
Here you can see the X5 scores a 94/100 in the drive score, while the GLE only scores a 76, the GLE also scores lower in reliability and in owner satisfaction, hence why its rated so much higher overall when the reliability is only a point better.
2021 Mojave Silver E450, 2024 Black on Black Jaguar F-pace P400, 2011 335d (RIP), 2010 E350 (sold)
Originally Posted by SW20S
Because there is also a subjective drive score from their test of the cars where the X5 scored much higher than the GLE. That’s why, it’s not just reliability.
This, and the fact that the reliability ratings are based on the last three years. This includes the first year of the new platform for the GLE. There is no doubt that the GLE had its issues in 2020 but they did a pretty good job of fixing them by 2022. IMO, the main issue has to do with the MB factory in Alabama - not a good track record there for vehicle launches. BMW also did a great with on the G05 X5 and that is why the reliability scores are better.
This, and the fact that the reliability ratings are based on the last three years. This includes the first year of the new platform for the GLE. There is no doubt that the GLE had its issues in 2020 but they did a pretty good job of fixing them by 2022. IMO, the main issue has to do with the MB factory in Alabama - not a good track record there for vehicle launches. BMW also did a great with on the G05 X5 and that is why the reliability scores are better.
Actually the last three years are excluded, leaving 2020 as their single.sample. Looking at the last three years on the charts shown above, the GLE has near perfect scores.
It's the reader's choice which "data" they quote and defend.
Do you defend the clickbait very negative presentation, or do you defend the completely opposite very positive presentation that's virtually hidden (with the actual findings)?
Maybe their disconnect is from Remote Work, where the staff has no interaction and the editor doesn't proof read. Maybe the concept of "read" is a Boomer Thing. Hard to explain, but fun to ponder.
2021 Mojave Silver E450, 2024 Black on Black Jaguar F-pace P400, 2011 335d (RIP), 2010 E350 (sold)
Originally Posted by mikapen
Actually the last three years are excluded, leaving 2020 as their single.sample. Looking at the last three years on the charts shown above, the GLE has near perfect scores.
It's the reader's choice which "data" they quote and defend.
Do you defend the clickbait very negative presentation, or do you defend the completely opposite very positive presentation that's virtually hidden (with the actual findings)?
Maybe their disconnect is from Remote Work, where the staff has no interaction and the editor doesn't proof read. Maybe the concept of "read" is a Boomer Thing. Hard to explain, but fun to ponder.
Excluded? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but the reliability charts say:
same for the GLE.
I am not defending anything. Just stating that the GLE ratings include year 1. I think CR is useless. Mildly interesting but ultimately their output means very little to me. I don't care what other people think about how their X5 or GLE rides or what they consider an "issue". It does however confirm what I already knew (but not very clearly) - don't buy anything out of the MB factory in Alabama in year one.
Yes, that's what THAT chart says. The charts presented above are 180° in disagreement. Same car, same year, same publication date.
Net result? Nothing Burger.
As I keep saying, they're speaking with forked tongue. A print TikTok.
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