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Every golf course in America had EVs in the ‘70s. Maybe with some rare exceptions of gas powered golf carts at some golf courses. There are cities in America where only golf carts are allowed.
Let’s not normalize blackouts and brownouts, and let’s not soft pedal the impact everyone driving an EV would have on the grid.
We are now in 2025, supposedly better knowledge, better technology, and a long history of management of the grid that should make it nearly indestructible.
Let’s not normalize blackouts and brownouts, and let’s not soft pedal the impact everyone driving an EV would have on the grid.
We are now in 2025, supposedly better knowledge, better technology, and a long history of management of the grid that should make it nearly indestructible.
I'm not "normalizing" them, they happen and have happened when the grid is especially stressed, primarily during huge heatwaves. If everybody right now had an EV of course it would overstress the grid, but thats not a scenario that will happen. Steadily over time a higher % of EVs will be sold, its going to be 20 years probably before even 50% of the cars on the road are EVs, if even then. There is a long period of time to be able to improve our electric grid. The biggest drain on the grid looking forward right now is actually AI, and I don't see you worried about that.
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Brownouts were not because of golf carts lol. Do you realize how little power it takes to charge a golf cart? What cities in America allow only golf carts? There are no such cities. You have communities where there is widespread golf cart usage, like the Villages in FL but no place that MANDATES golf cart use. You have some very small places like say, Avalon, CA where they limit registration of cars...but they don't allow ONLY golf carts.
I'm not "normalizing" them, they happen and have happened when the grid is especially stressed, primarily during huge heatwaves. If everybody right now had an EV of course it would overstress the grid, but thats not a scenario that will happen. Steadily over time a higher % of EVs will be sold, its going to be 20 years probably before even 50% of the cars on the road are EVs, if even then. There is a long period of time to be able to improve our electric grid. The biggest drain on the grid looking forward right now is actually AI, and I don't see you worried about that.
I'm not "normalizing" them, they happen and have happened when the grid is especially stressed, primarily during huge heatwaves. If everybody right now had an EV of course it would overstress the grid, but thats not a scenario that will happen. Steadily over time a higher % of EVs will be sold, its going to be 20 years probably before even 50% of the cars on the road are EVs, if even then. There is a long period of time to be able to improve our electric grid. The biggest drain on the grid looking forward right now is actually AI, and I don't see you worried about that.
Golf carts are left plugged in all night, and even after the first Tee time the next day, if not being used. Typically they were lead acid batteries in a rack. Lead acid batteries last longer when they are kept topped off.
I don’t know how much electricity they used, but way more than electric cars, because there were so few of them.
Put In Bay has a city ordinance for golf carts only, to name one. If I cared to look further I could find more.
As for your AI comment, I am way ahead of you, having already posted that same comment awhile ago.
Point is, in this day and age, except for damaging weather(heat waves are obviously an exception), the only economies that should be experiencing brown outs or blackouts are 3rd world countries. We should lead the world, not dissolve into it.
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There's a difference between "should be experiencing brownouts" and the reality that we do experience brownouts from time to time.
By your logic then, we shouldn't have to worry about EV charging because we had golf carts and they take way more energy than an EV...
By your logic then, we shouldn't have to worry about EV charging because we had golf carts and they take way more energy than an EV...
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Let me make it simple, step by step.
In the 70’s the electrical grid had 70’s technology, which had to electrify a population of about 200 million. Nuclear power was in its infancy(1.4%) and no solar or wind, so almost all coal powered.
Today, we have modern electrical engineering, a revolution of computing power, and a grid management system honed by 50+ years of experience.
Now, we have a population of over 350 million, and little to no annual growth in nuclear, while trying to rely on very unreliable so called green energy, and while taking coal powered plants offline, with no viable replacements.
The grid is being stretched to its limits on a fairly regular basis. There is no room for growth of demand without reliable supply.
Some people act like EVs are a new invention. They are not. EVs were tried in the 70’s, especially by government entities. They were an abject failure. The post office tried to electrify delivery vehicles. Some of that was part of fallout from oil embargos, and OPEC acting as a worldwide monopoly.
The only mode of transportation that electric vehicles have had a sustained impact was in golf carts. Nothing against golf carts. Nothing against EVs.
If we had a reliable and sturdy electrical grid, with sufficient surge capacity, EVs would be a very viable mode of transport.
Right now, they’re just not.
We should not have to be worried about heat waves causing loss of electricity. Heat casualties and heat related deaths are far more of a concern than cold. In terms of numbers.
If every car was an EV under today’s grid, at least 75% of them would not get a full charge overnight.
We have to be sober and realistic about it.
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Thats a strawman's argument is my point. Every car will not be an EV under today's grid, so discussing what would happen if that were the case makes no sense. It will be many decades before every car is an EV, if that ever happens...and the grid at that time will be much more robust than it is now.
EVs are a perfectly viable mode of transportation today...just because we can't support EVERY car being an EV doesn't mean that they aren't...because in reality less than 2% of cars on the road are EVs.
EVs are a perfectly viable mode of transportation today...just because we can't support EVERY car being an EV doesn't mean that they aren't...because in reality less than 2% of cars on the road are EVs.
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They are getting a handle on how to deal with EV fires. Most fire departments now have large fire blankets they use to put them out. Different technologies require different approaches for those sorts of things.
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Fire blankets just hide the fires and potentially isolate people/structures. They don't stop thermal runaway. No O2 needed to "burn."
The burning auto ships isolate burning holds and inject CO2, but the fires continue. The best solution is to abandon ship and watch.
That has nothing to do with our overloaded grid.
Good news for nuclear, though. Three Mile Island reopening is ahead of schedule, now expected late 26 not '27. That'll relieve some of the pressure on hyperscalers' data center needs. (MSFT in this case.)
Now, regarding the base load to supply projected grid needs - two more plants shut down this week, three more still delayed.
Nukes are definitely not cost-effective. Yes, with more nukes to support the grid, electric prices will increase much more than expected. And more deaths from heat, especially in the big cities. Just a couple of links (CURRENT situation, not future):
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/03/econo...ioning-summer?
https://san.com/cc/data-centers-cost...ills-in-2025/?
EVs will incrementally add to this nightmare. Our Grid is inadequate now.
Yes, it's primarily a First World problem - temporarily.
The burning auto ships isolate burning holds and inject CO2, but the fires continue. The best solution is to abandon ship and watch.
That has nothing to do with our overloaded grid.
Good news for nuclear, though. Three Mile Island reopening is ahead of schedule, now expected late 26 not '27. That'll relieve some of the pressure on hyperscalers' data center needs. (MSFT in this case.)
Now, regarding the base load to supply projected grid needs - two more plants shut down this week, three more still delayed.
Nukes are definitely not cost-effective. Yes, with more nukes to support the grid, electric prices will increase much more than expected. And more deaths from heat, especially in the big cities. Just a couple of links (CURRENT situation, not future):
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/03/econo...ioning-summer?
https://san.com/cc/data-centers-cost...ills-in-2025/?
EVs will incrementally add to this nightmare. Our Grid is inadequate now.
Yes, it's primarily a First World problem - temporarily.
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So a few hours while they waited for a car to burn out? Nothing compared to the damage a single tanker of gasoline will do. And if that isn't enough for you, about thirty years ago a gasoline tanker truck had an accident in the tunnels a bit to the east. I cannot remember how many people were killed in that one, but a lot. Shut down the tunnels for a while too. There is a tunnel on an interstate in the midwest currently being repaired due to another tanker truck fire, all the traffic from the interstate was routed through downtown several months ago, effectively cutting the town in half.
Based on insurance industry data, on a per capita basis a gasoline vehicle is 30 times more likely to catch fire than an EV in the US. There are several on fire every day.
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Depends on who is collecting the data, who is making up data(falsifying data), and whose ox is being gored.
NTSB admits the 25 per 100,000 is misinformation;
http://Electric Vehicle Fires: 25 Out of 100,000 Stat Doesn’t Add Up Share 0:59 / 9:33 •
NTSB admits the 25 per 100,000 is misinformation;
http://Electric Vehicle Fires: 25 Out of 100,000 Stat Doesn’t Add Up Share 0:59 / 9:33 •
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Depends on who is collecting the data, who is making up data(falsifying data), and whose ox is being gored.
NTSB admits the 25 per 100,000 is misinformation;
http://Electric Vehicle Fires: 25 Out of 100,000 Stat Doesn’t Add Up Share 0:59 / 9:33 •
NTSB admits the 25 per 100,000 is misinformation;
http://Electric Vehicle Fires: 25 Out of 100,000 Stat Doesn’t Add Up Share 0:59 / 9:33 •
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Just remember, any data or source that doesn't fit the narrative is fake and motivated by people trying to push their "agenda" on us! Insurance industry in cahoots I say!
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EV fan girls are see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil:
A statistic from Australia, is that concerning ICE fires 92% of them occur after a vehicle is stolen, or used in a crime.
Other statistics EV fan girls don’t tout;
Up to 30% of EV fires happen while charging.
EV fires have a much higher incidence of being catastrophic.
ICE fires are negligible related to flooding
Not an attack on EVs, just an eyes wide open analysis. It’s not solely that they are electric. It’s the battery that is a problem. A newer, better, more suitable battery might fix all the EV shortcomings, like maybe this new Aluminum Ion battery. It’s supposed to have a lot of advantages over the lithium ion battery.
A statistic from Australia, is that concerning ICE fires 92% of them occur after a vehicle is stolen, or used in a crime.
Other statistics EV fan girls don’t tout;
Up to 30% of EV fires happen while charging.
EV fires have a much higher incidence of being catastrophic.
ICE fires are negligible related to flooding
Not an attack on EVs, just an eyes wide open analysis. It’s not solely that they are electric. It’s the battery that is a problem. A newer, better, more suitable battery might fix all the EV shortcomings, like maybe this new Aluminum Ion battery. It’s supposed to have a lot of advantages over the lithium ion battery.
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“EV fan girls” lol. The whole thing is just weird. Why all of the posturing over different methods of propelling a car? It’s so weird. Do you hyper focus on all of the negatives of a gas car and all of the unique things that can happen to them that don’t happen to an EV? Of course not.
No independent statistic has shown that EVs are statistically any more likely to catch fire. Fires of any electric appliance are largely when they are plugged in. How the charging apparatus is installed has a big impact there.They’re certainly more difficult to put out. It’s like saying you won’t ever buy a blue car and people who buy blue cars are brainwashed sissy Nannie’s. Weird.
I will have my EV chargers installed by reputable
electricians and will charge them with no worries.
No independent statistic has shown that EVs are statistically any more likely to catch fire. Fires of any electric appliance are largely when they are plugged in. How the charging apparatus is installed has a big impact there.They’re certainly more difficult to put out. It’s like saying you won’t ever buy a blue car and people who buy blue cars are brainwashed sissy Nannie’s. Weird.
I will have my EV chargers installed by reputable
electricians and will charge them with no worries.
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you could simply ignore it and move on with your life. I suppose that requires far too much effort for the entire world to not agree with your perspective. Me? I would simply move on and not be a Karen like you.
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It's a forum, with typical Thread Drift.
This one has more Zealot postings and dismissive comments, though. Kind of revealing....
This one has more Zealot postings and dismissive comments, though. Kind of revealing....
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“EV fan girls” lol. The whole thing is just weird. Why all of the posturing over different methods of propelling a car? It’s so weird. Do you hyper focus on all of the negatives of a gas car and all of the unique things that can happen to them that don’t happen to an EV? Of course not.
No independent statistic has shown that EVs are statistically any more likely to catch fire. Fires of any electric appliance are largely when they are plugged in. How the charging apparatus is installed has a big impact there.They’re certainly more difficult to put out. It’s like saying you won’t ever buy a blue car and people who buy blue cars are brainwashed sissy Nannie’s. Weird.
I will have my EV chargers installed by reputable
electricians and will charge them with no worries.
No independent statistic has shown that EVs are statistically any more likely to catch fire. Fires of any electric appliance are largely when they are plugged in. How the charging apparatus is installed has a big impact there.They’re certainly more difficult to put out. It’s like saying you won’t ever buy a blue car and people who buy blue cars are brainwashed sissy Nannie’s. Weird.
I will have my EV chargers installed by reputable
electricians and will charge them with no worries.
