Sour CPO purchase
02-11-2013, 02:50 PM
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Oh don't worry we got it in writing. The problem is we found the deal because of an e-mail and we rushed over there to get the available car. In hind sight we were excited about the car and we were kinda rushed.
It all worked out in the end though, I was just surprised how disconnected MB of North America is to their dealer network. Lesson learned
It all worked out in the end though, I was just surprised how disconnected MB of North America is to their dealer network. Lesson learned
02-11-2013, 02:58 PM
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Oh don't worry we got it in writing. The problem is we found the deal because of an e-mail and we rushed over there to get the available car. In hind sight we were excited about the car and we were kinda rushed.
It all worked out in the end though, I was just surprised how disconnected MB of North America is to their dealer network. Lesson learned
It all worked out in the end though, I was just surprised how disconnected MB of North America is to their dealer network. Lesson learned
Again, glad it worked out for you.
02-11-2013, 11:49 PM
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I was trying to hold off on updates while things are in limbo, but they still are, so I'll give a status.
With MBUSA having washed their hands of me (way to stand behind the CPO program, NOT!), I am working with the selling dealer. One thing I have to say is that the guy I am dealing with is nothing like a scumbag, he is actually a very good guy, who appears to genuinely want to do the right thing. The problem is that he is the sales manager, whereas the guy who told me the car was pristine was just a sales guy, who obviously never laid eyes on the car, at least not up close. "Promise them anything" must be his motto. So the sales manager is trying to undo the mess that his sales guy created.
To fix all the damage is about $4K. The sales manager said he'll pay for $1.5K of this because the damage occurred after I bought the car but before they shipped it. So I am trying to get some of the other $2.5K back - I think that if we can split the difference, I can make it work and get most of what I want fixed without excessive expense. We'll see.
Can't believe it costs $4K to fix a few dings and scratches - unfortunately they are scattered over 7 different panels, so it adds up fast.
I'll keep you updated.
With MBUSA having washed their hands of me (way to stand behind the CPO program, NOT!), I am working with the selling dealer. One thing I have to say is that the guy I am dealing with is nothing like a scumbag, he is actually a very good guy, who appears to genuinely want to do the right thing. The problem is that he is the sales manager, whereas the guy who told me the car was pristine was just a sales guy, who obviously never laid eyes on the car, at least not up close. "Promise them anything" must be his motto. So the sales manager is trying to undo the mess that his sales guy created.
To fix all the damage is about $4K. The sales manager said he'll pay for $1.5K of this because the damage occurred after I bought the car but before they shipped it. So I am trying to get some of the other $2.5K back - I think that if we can split the difference, I can make it work and get most of what I want fixed without excessive expense. We'll see.
Can't believe it costs $4K to fix a few dings and scratches - unfortunately they are scattered over 7 different panels, so it adds up fast.
I'll keep you updated.
02-12-2013, 02:20 PM
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I was trying to hold off on updates while things are in limbo, but they still are, so I'll give a status.
With MBUSA having washed their hands of me (way to stand behind the CPO program, NOT!), I am working with the selling dealer. One thing I have to say is that the guy I am dealing with is nothing like a scumbag, he is actually a very good guy, who appears to genuinely want to do the right thing. The problem is that he is the sales manager, whereas the guy who told me the car was pristine was just a sales guy, who obviously never laid eyes on the car, at least not up close. "Promise them anything" must be his motto. So the sales manager is trying to undo the mess that his sales guy created.
To fix all the damage is about $4K. The sales manager said he'll pay for $1.5K of this because the damage occurred after I bought the car but before they shipped it. So I am trying to get some of the other $2.5K back - I think that if we can split the difference, I can make it work and get most of what I want fixed without excessive expense. We'll see.
Can't believe it costs $4K to fix a few dings and scratches - unfortunately they are scattered over 7 different panels, so it adds up fast.
I'll keep you updated.
With MBUSA having washed their hands of me (way to stand behind the CPO program, NOT!), I am working with the selling dealer. One thing I have to say is that the guy I am dealing with is nothing like a scumbag, he is actually a very good guy, who appears to genuinely want to do the right thing. The problem is that he is the sales manager, whereas the guy who told me the car was pristine was just a sales guy, who obviously never laid eyes on the car, at least not up close. "Promise them anything" must be his motto. So the sales manager is trying to undo the mess that his sales guy created.
To fix all the damage is about $4K. The sales manager said he'll pay for $1.5K of this because the damage occurred after I bought the car but before they shipped it. So I am trying to get some of the other $2.5K back - I think that if we can split the difference, I can make it work and get most of what I want fixed without excessive expense. We'll see.
Can't believe it costs $4K to fix a few dings and scratches - unfortunately they are scattered over 7 different panels, so it adds up fast.
I'll keep you updated.
I would not settle for anything less than them paying the entire bill, you should not have to come up with anything.
I may be crazy but I would suggest that they contact a local MB dealer closer to you who could handle this for you on their behalf. I am pretty sure that there are MB dealers near you that either have their own body shop, or an MB certified body shop the Philly dealer could get in contact with.
You may need to inform the GM of the Philly dealership of what is going on.
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02-12-2013, 04:29 PM
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Just to clarify, the selling dealer promised to pay for the damage that occurred while the car was sitting on their lot, which is one dent on the left side, and is about $1500. He has not agreed to pay to fix all the other small dings, which add up to another $2500. From his standpoint these are small imperfections, and I would agree with that if it weren't for the fact that his sales guy told me that the car did not have any such imperfections.
I would love to not settle for anything less than full reimbursement, but the problem is that I have no leverage. At this point, short of a lawsuit (which is nearly impossible across state lines, another lesson learned), I am at the mercy of the selling dealer honoring his idiot sales guy's false promises. I may take it up to the dealership's general manager, but I will still be at his mercy.
I am quickly finding out that the MB family is no different than any other car line I have dealt with before - all dealerships are independently owned and operated, and don't appear to want to take you under their wing unless you are paying them for it. Very disappointing so far.
I would love to not settle for anything less than full reimbursement, but the problem is that I have no leverage. At this point, short of a lawsuit (which is nearly impossible across state lines, another lesson learned), I am at the mercy of the selling dealer honoring his idiot sales guy's false promises. I may take it up to the dealership's general manager, but I will still be at his mercy.
I am quickly finding out that the MB family is no different than any other car line I have dealt with before - all dealerships are independently owned and operated, and don't appear to want to take you under their wing unless you are paying them for it. Very disappointing so far.
02-12-2013, 07:30 PM
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I don't know... I'd have shipped it back, or at least thrown in that threat. Return ship a car can't be more than $1000>1200. That would be my bottom line. The word 'Escrow' comes to mind.... meaning your $$$ is sitting in a neutral account and turned over once the product is delivered, and is satisfactory in the eyes of the buyer..... Surely you must have done something like that.
Note.. I haven't read the full thread. I apologize if that is the case..
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Note.. I haven't read the full thread. I apologize if that is the case..
my .02
02-12-2013, 08:53 PM
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I thought about that, but I am not sure that they would take it back (this isn't Home Depot 
), and besides, by then I would be out about $2500 for two way shipping, which is about the same amount that I am trying to collect for the body work. So I'll keep working the dealer.
), and besides, by then I would be out about $2500 for two way shipping, which is about the same amount that I am trying to collect for the body work. So I'll keep working the dealer.
02-13-2013, 01:40 AM
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I understand you might be out $2.5k either way... but with a Mercedes, you want at least to have a peace of mind when you get it. 'cuz the cost of fix anything on the car is expensive... I would've return it to the dealer if possible. and just get another car locally after seeing it.... If all this car has are few cosmetic imperfections, then yeah, 2.5k on your end would just settle the dust, but what if some serious issue has already implanted with the car.... just a thought... it looks like this car has not been taking a good cared of... I seriously doubt only ONE dent was caused at the dealership...
02-13-2013, 09:30 AM
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I've looked this car over pretty thoroughly by now, and I am pretty convinced that it was well taken of and is not a "lemon" - it just happened to be owned by someone who was not a very good driver and not very careful when opening the doors. Other than that, all the maintenance records are in order, everything inside and under the hood is very clean and undamaged, so I think I am getting used to this as being "our car". Just want to get the exterior damage taken care of, and then it'll be as good as new.
I do have MB warranty till 2018, so that should help out with any non-cosmetic surprises.
I do have MB warranty till 2018, so that should help out with any non-cosmetic surprises.
02-15-2013, 05:15 PM
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Just received my 2011 CPO GLK (bought it sight unseen from across the country, based on the dealer's description that the car was like new).
Upon receipt, it is anything but that. Over a dozen dings/dents/scratches on numerous panels - nothing big, but most are beyond paintless dent removal. All were there at time of shipment, as indicated by bill of lading.
Other first impressions:
The car has clearly not been carefully detailed or waxed, but I can deal with that.
Two tires are new, two others are right at that 7/32 limit. Probably can't make them replace them, but still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Some kind of rattling noises, hopefully that will be easy to find/fix.
Rotors that are supposedly less than 1000 miles, look pretty grooved.
Transmission whine.
Wipers are totally worn out. I know, small thing, but it just adds up to a feeling that this is a far cry from the type of vehicle that the MB CPO brochure promises: "A Mercedes-Benz Certified Pre-Owned vehicle is a clean-skinned beauty, as free of dings, dents, rips, visible scratches, and scuffs as we can make possible, with high quality fit and finish inside and out." That is in fact exactly how the 10 or so cars that we saw at local dealers looked, so I sort of drunk the Cool Aid and assumed that all CPO cars would be like that. Apparently not.
So, my question is, how to best proceed. Should I start with the selling dealer (who is 2000 miles away), with my local dealer, or with MBUSA and have them tell me if this car is considered up to their CPO standards?
Anyone else had this type of experience, and has suggestions/tips of how to best deal with MB?
Anyway, not a good start to my MB experience
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Upon receipt, it is anything but that. Over a dozen dings/dents/scratches on numerous panels - nothing big, but most are beyond paintless dent removal. All were there at time of shipment, as indicated by bill of lading.
Other first impressions:
The car has clearly not been carefully detailed or waxed, but I can deal with that.
Two tires are new, two others are right at that 7/32 limit. Probably can't make them replace them, but still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Some kind of rattling noises, hopefully that will be easy to find/fix.
Rotors that are supposedly less than 1000 miles, look pretty grooved.
Transmission whine.
Wipers are totally worn out. I know, small thing, but it just adds up to a feeling that this is a far cry from the type of vehicle that the MB CPO brochure promises: "A Mercedes-Benz Certified Pre-Owned vehicle is a clean-skinned beauty, as free of dings, dents, rips, visible scratches, and scuffs as we can make possible, with high quality fit and finish inside and out." That is in fact exactly how the 10 or so cars that we saw at local dealers looked, so I sort of drunk the Cool Aid and assumed that all CPO cars would be like that. Apparently not.
So, my question is, how to best proceed. Should I start with the selling dealer (who is 2000 miles away), with my local dealer, or with MBUSA and have them tell me if this car is considered up to their CPO standards?
Anyone else had this type of experience, and has suggestions/tips of how to best deal with MB?
Anyway, not a good start to my MB experience
.After that, fk CPO. I'd rather buy a non-cpo, save $3K. My eyes are just as good as theirs.
This time, I got a 2010 ML350. non-cpo. Paid $7k less than CPO with similar mileage.
Sadly, you would have to start with selling dealer, and MBUSA concurrently.
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02-15-2013, 05:20 PM
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02-21-2013, 09:33 PM
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Well, I hope I don't jinx myself, but it looks like after weeks of arguing and back and forth with the dealer (plus the nuclear threat that my wife is about to have the GLK shipped back to them), the dealership agreed to cover most of the expense of the paint damages. So within two weeks, I should have a nearly-new looking GLK, which is what I thought I was getting to begin with. Phew.
Once that's done, I'm off to the local dealer to have them deal with the tranny whine, but that will probably become a separate thread.
Keep your fingers crossed.
Once that's done, I'm off to the local dealer to have them deal with the tranny whine, but that will probably become a separate thread.
Keep your fingers crossed.
02-22-2013, 01:16 AM
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I just purchased a CPO and went back to my brochure.
Appearance standards
A detailed visual inspection for dents, scratches, tears and scuffs
guarantees a high-quality finish inside and out.
http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalA...r_Brochure.pdf
Appearance standards
A detailed visual inspection for dents, scratches, tears and scuffs
guarantees a high-quality finish inside and out.
http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalA...r_Brochure.pdf
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02-22-2013, 07:42 AM
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Well, I hope I don't jinx myself, but it looks like after weeks of arguing and back and forth with the dealer (plus the nuclear threat that my wife is about to have the GLK shipped back to them), the dealership agreed to cover most of the expense of the paint damages. So within two weeks, I should have a nearly-new looking GLK, which is what I thought I was getting to begin with. Phew.
Once that's done, I'm off to the local dealer to have them deal with the tranny whine, but that will probably become a separate thread.
Keep your fingers crossed.
Once that's done, I'm off to the local dealer to have them deal with the tranny whine, but that will probably become a separate thread.
Keep your fingers crossed.
02-22-2013, 09:52 AM
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I just purchased a CPO and went back to my brochure.
Appearance standards
A detailed visual inspection for dents, scratches, tears and scuffs
guarantees a high-quality finish inside and out.
http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalA...r_Brochure.pdf
Appearance standards
A detailed visual inspection for dents, scratches, tears and scuffs
guarantees a high-quality finish inside and out.
http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalA...r_Brochure.pdf
Well what can go wrong (and did) is that MBUSA folded faster than the blink of an eye when I called them and tried to get them to step into this mess. All of a sudden, their line about cosmetic standards became "as long as there is no structural damage, body damage is acceptable". Really? "High quality finish" includes the possibility of any type of body damage as long as its not structural??
Anyway, I give kudos to the Philly dealer for taking care of this, but IMO this is a big black eye for MB corporate. Way to stand behind their promises of "resting assured" with the CPO program.
02-22-2013, 01:37 PM
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I'm glad it worked out for you, but certainly not without a ton of aggravation.
Why did you buy from across the country? Your experience should be a good lesson for everyone, never buy sight unseen.
Why did you buy from across the country? Your experience should be a good lesson for everyone, never buy sight unseen.
02-22-2013, 03:53 PM
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, but we did want a 2011-12, white on beige, 4Matic, MM, Prem 1. And in CA, 4Matics are very hard to come by, whereas back East they are the prevalent variety.Trusting the MB sales job, we decided that the CPO prep ensures that all will be taken care of, but obviously it was just that - a sales job, with no meat behind it.
I agree, I can't see myself ever buying a car sight unseen again, unless I already planned to have to do a bunch of work on it.
02-22-2013, 07:35 PM
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Four years ago, a friend from Boston bought a used Mercedes from Texas, one of those big preowned resellers.
After reserving it, he flew out to inspect it and drive it around the block before handing over the check. The car (now 7 years old) has been flawless since. He saved more than enough to pay for his flight out and to buy extended warranty.
Maybe a good lesson for all of us next time around.
After reserving it, he flew out to inspect it and drive it around the block before handing over the check. The car (now 7 years old) has been flawless since. He saved more than enough to pay for his flight out and to buy extended warranty.
Maybe a good lesson for all of us next time around.
03-01-2013, 01:33 AM
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I would never buy a premium car sight unseen.
On a MBUSA lease, if a business card will cover the damage they don't charge for it.
On the other hand, when appraising them they don't even look or drive them. Hurts one like mine that IS perfect.
Good thing the car is white. Most any other color is difficult to match at best. And usually the body shop paint work deteriorates faster than the original. The pics show a car that was beat to rat****. What a shame.
On a MBUSA lease, if a business card will cover the damage they don't charge for it.
On the other hand, when appraising them they don't even look or drive them. Hurts one like mine that IS perfect.
Good thing the car is white. Most any other color is difficult to match at best. And usually the body shop paint work deteriorates faster than the original. The pics show a car that was beat to rat****. What a shame.
03-01-2013, 10:18 AM
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I would never buy a premium car sight unseen.
On a MBUSA lease, if a business card will cover the damage they don't charge for it.
On the other hand, when appraising them they don't even look or drive them. Hurts one like mine that IS perfect.
Good thing the car is white. Most any other color is difficult to match at best. And usually the body shop paint work deteriorates faster than the original. The pics show a car that was beat to rat****. What a shame.
On a MBUSA lease, if a business card will cover the damage they don't charge for it.
On the other hand, when appraising them they don't even look or drive them. Hurts one like mine that IS perfect.
Good thing the car is white. Most any other color is difficult to match at best. And usually the body shop paint work deteriorates faster than the original. The pics show a car that was beat to rat****. What a shame.
03-01-2013, 10:33 AM
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The car is at the shop right now, and with 80% of it getting repainted, the concern about "matching" is largely moot. The shop I am using is not of the Maaco variety, it is a top notch shop that has painted cars in black for me before that looked show quality. I am very picky and they can meet my standards without a problem. They provide a lifetime warranty on their work, including any fading or discoloration. I am not worried about it one bit. And yes, I know it is easier to work on a white car than a black one .
It really is not beat to rat***, it just happened to be owned by someone who did not get the concept of door dings. Some people do, some don't. Other than the carelessness in parking and opening doors, the car appears to be very well taken care of.
.It really is not beat to rat***, it just happened to be owned by someone who did not get the concept of door dings. Some people do, some don't. Other than the carelessness in parking and opening doors, the car appears to be very well taken care of.
