Alex Bel

Daimler accused of selling over 1 million cars with excess emissions: Newspaper.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/13/daiml...newspaper.html

The cars in question are powered by engines codenamed OM 642 and OM 651, with prosecutors examining the possible use of defeat devices to manipulate emission levels during tests, the newspaper said.

glennhl

Another Dieselgate?

Alex Bel

We will see. I did not care much about VW, but as the owner of two OM651 vehicles a bit of concern...

glennhl

Don't worry, if it comes out like the VW debacle, you'll end up with a brand new vehicle.

Hugo L.

I don't want a new vehicle, I want this one. Plus, if this turns out to be true, MB will leave the diesel market like VW, and that would be tragic. I love my diesel.

We once had Audi, VW, BMW and MB. Audi and VW left, leaving only BMW and MB. If MB leaves, that's a dire prospect. I'm not buying a Chevy diesel.

purebass

Our beloved X204.....

GLK 250 BlueTEC 4MATIC 2012– 2,143 cc (131 cu in) 16V I4 twin turbo (OM 651 DE 22 LA) 204 PS (150 kW; 201 hp)@4200, 500 N·m (369 lb·ft)@1600–2800

W203_Fan

Hi !
My GLK 250 CDI Bluefficiency from 2010 with the OM 651 engine has 189 g of CO2 / km. I measured it in January this year at the government emission test. I don't know if it's a trick , they reved the engine to 5000 rpm for a long,long time and there was no smoke or anything. Seems legit to me. Compared to my father's VW Passat that leaves a trail of smoke every time it accelerates hard, my GLK is a good girl.
I do hope this is fake news.
Anyway, I am not giving away my GLK for a underpowered and soul-less junk mobile with less emissions.

mjhawkins2346

What great engines. We might be screwed. The problem isn't blue smoke. It's NOX emissions which are not visible.

bugelrex

I assume any "fix" is going to either kill the gas mileage or performance. Did any one else get a letter from the dealer asking you to 'trade' in your GLK250 for a GLC?

If I recall, smart VW guys were buying up all diesel VWs for cheap to get guaranteed cash from VW.. something to keep in mind if Mercedes are going the buy-out route

Bob338

You're already finding them guilty! All of that has to be proven to the satisfaction of the auditors. I question they'll find anything like the VW thing. I'd be extremely surprised if they did. No concerns here!

Hugo L.

You don't throw accusations like these unless you have some serious, concrete evidence, otherwise the defamation lawsuit would be insane.

So yeah, my guess is, they are guilty. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

Bob338

There were and are no accusations. It's an audit only, given rise by the VW issues. Audits are nothing more than reviews of data. Besides, this is Germany, not the litigious society of the USofA that we have become. They likely couldn't even sue a governmental entity over there as we can here.

Hugo L.

https://www.thelocal.de/20170721/ger...esel-emissions

Yeah, no charges. But man...

purebass

Looks like MB is voluntarily recalling 3 million diesel cars in Europe for an emissions related fix....is this just the beginning??

https://www.thestar.com/business/201...emissions.html

Bob338

This is a "voluntary" recall. Remember that diesel emission standards have been way less in Europe than in the US where, except for California's higher and highest, have been more than Europe. M-B quit importing diesels autos for a long period of time while developing the BlueTec technology to satisfy California. Their diesels in Europe are much different than our imports. I still doubt there will be any impact except in sales to concerned individuals. I'm sure M-B is waiting for the dust to settle before they start importing the GLC diesels here. I'm not concerned.

Hugo L.

Voluntary or not, they ARE recalling cars for a diesel issue. So basically, they are guilty.

Bob338

Guilty of what?