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From my experience, the ceramic pads do not have the bite of the OEM brake pads. I like the low dust from the ceramics but will not go back to the ceramic pads unless I find one that has the bite of the semi metallic pads.
From my experience, the ceramic pads do not have the bite of the OEM brake pads. I like the low dust from the ceramics but will not go back to the ceramic pads unless I find one that has the bite of the semi metallic pads.
Have you found a longer life, lower dust pad that does not chew up the rotors?
I'm saying I recommend the OEM pads since they are better than the ceramics. I have a 63 and the OEM pads dust quite a bit but I can't recommend putting ceramics on the 63.
From my experience, the ceramic pads do not have the bite of the OEM brake pads. I like the low dust from the ceramics but will not go back to the ceramic pads unless I find one that has the bite of the semi metallic pads.
akebono pads are generally considered the best ceramic choice, I usually stick with centric rotors with painted black center but most rotors for gl450 seem to be drilled there are several options including brembo and pagid that are coated to prevent rust.
I have found with ceramic you can step on the brakes much harder without the "bite" that passengers aren't too fond of. Just easier to modulate for a smoother feel.
In any case the brakes only stop the wheels, it's the tires that stop the car.
The rears got complicated. EBC only made the "yellowstuff" high dust high bite race/drift pads.....amazon didn't explain this but the ebc instructions clearly did.....DO NOT install if you don't want dust.....
ok returned them....
Akebono had no size, as far as I could tell.
Finally found Brembo made ceramic pads (only for the rear!?).
For Mercedes X166 GLE63 AMG S ML63 AMG Brake Pad Set Rear Ceramic Brembo P50101N
only $42. delivered on ebay.
we installed the front, took about 40 minutes on the passenger side, and 20 mins on the driver side after we learned a little.
we were careful and did not have to change the original WEAR Sensor.
Waiting for the rear pads to arrive.
Driving impression on the front pads is A+ EXCELLENT. Better than stock! ! ! ! !
fyi.....MB Anahim quoted me $1200 for f/r MB pad replacement.
Last edited by George Gerard; Dec 18, 2019 at 04:17 PM.
Ceramic brakes are in fact a bad choice for day to day driving. They are meant to work at high temperature ergo racing conditions. In normal driving their performance is actually worse than normal brakes. For racing, of course, they are far superior than steel rotors. Another drawback is that when they fail they do so catastrophically in effect they snap, steel rotor can crack or bed but even when broken they function.
'17 AMG S63 Convertible, '17 AMG C63S Edition 1 Coupe
Originally Posted by c4004matic
Ceramic brakes are in fact a bad choice for day to day driving. They are meant to work at high temperature ergo racing conditions. In normal driving their performance is actually worse than normal brakes. For racing, of course, they are far superior than steel rotors. Another drawback is that when they fail they do so catastrophically in effect they snap, steel rotor can crack or bed but even when broken they function.
With all due respect...do you have any first-hand experience with carbon ceramic brakes? And if so, is it within the past several years?
What you stated is reminiscent of the original carbon brakes that came out in the early 2000s, which literally were a race-only application, and didn't work well (ie stop well) until at operating temp. That's a far cry from the carbon ceramic brakes currently available on vehicles nowadays.
For the record, I have a C63S Edition 1 Coupe with the factory carbon ceramic brakes, and they're AMAZING. I currently have 55K miles on them. Zero brake fade. Zero brake dust. Zero problems. Zero issues. And they work in all temps and under all conditions. Meanwhile, I've been through SEVERAL sets of rear pads AND rotors, which are traditional (C63 only comes with front carbon ceramics).
As for brake failures, again, where are you getting your info from? I personally have never heard of an AMG carbon ceramic rotor failing or even requiring replacement since they introduced them on their vehicles several years ago - unless you track your vehicle. But with street use, it's pretty much common knowledge that you'll get well over 100K miles out of the rotors, and the general understanding is they're "lifetime" rotors that should last the expect duration/lifetime of the vehicle's meaningful use, provided it's normal daily street use. In that time period, you will be EATING through pads and rotors on a heavy car like a GLS or an S class...
From another thread (S-Class forum):
Originally Posted by barryrobinson19
We have the CCB package. I talked to my dealer, including the techs. They said they have never replaced pads or rotors on a CCB car. Unless you track it. They do plenty of brakes on non CCB cars. I felt this was quite interesting. They also do not get many Benz's in with the CCB brakes. However even the first vehicles Mercedes has offered CCB brakes on, those vehicles still have never had to replace any brakes on those vehicles. They said some have high mileage. However they did not state an exact number.
Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Yes, the CCB brakes almost never wear in street conditions. In my almost 3 years at the dealership I've never seen anyone replace pads or rotors on a CCB car.
The example below was tracked and the CCB's failed. Not many MB's are regularly tracked but many Porche's are and the PCCB's are known to failure point. Many Porsche owners pull the carbon ceramics off to track the vehicles or until they are ready to sell their cars. The CCB's do not last forever. Forever to MB is whenever the warranty runs out and MB's warranty, from recollection, on the CCB's is 10,000 miles during normal use. True, normal driving the CCB pads and rotors will last 100k miles or more. Then again, I got 150k out of my ceramic brake pads and steel rotors on my GL450 before they needed to be replaced and probably have another 10k miles in them. There is a benefit with ceramic pads and rotors but the CCB system is not the cure all for a street driven car due to the expense of repair or replacement. You can do a heck of a lot of brake pad/rotor changes and still come out way ahead of the CCB's. https://mbworld.org/forums/coupe-roa...-warranty.html https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/...-plague-267318
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