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JoeMa 04-10-2018 02:57 PM

2020 GLS X167 News
 
As new info arrives about the next-gen 2020 GLS (X167), post your findings here. One tidbit I read was the 4-liter V8 GLS will be rebadged GLS560. The article also mentions the new straight six engine. I heard through the grapevine the new I6 engine was the reason MB is holding off on the X167 until later. We'll know soon enough but a lot of work is already completed on the X167.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ed-123793.html

drwolf 04-10-2018 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMa (Post 7427011)
As new info arrives about the next-gen 2020 GLS (X167), post your findings here. One tidbit I read was the 4-liter V8 GLS will be rebadged GLS560. The article also mentions the new straight six engine. I heard through the grapevine the new I6 engine was the reason MB is holding off on the X167 until later. We'll know soon enough but a lot of work is already completed on the X167.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ed-123793.html

if you ask me i dont expect them to change it until 2021, i mean if the GL/GLS is a solid seller as it is, why mess up a good thing, but thats just me.

skw 04-10-2018 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by drwolf (Post 7427174)
if you ask me i dont expect them to change it until 2021, i mean if the GL/GLS is a solid seller as it is, why mess up a good thing, but thats just me.

They have to stay competitive and also not lose market share. When it comes to full size luxury 3 row suv's, MB is facing competition from BMW, Rolls-Royce, Land Rover, Cadillac, Lexus, Audi, Volvo, and Bentley to name a few. The x166 has been out since MY 2013 and the common person can't tell the difference between a GL and a GLS. If they wait too long, MB will drop off some people's consideration lists and they'll go to another brand.

JoeMa 04-11-2018 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by skw (Post 7427319)
They have to stay competitive and also not lose market share. When it comes to full size 3 luxury row suv's, MB is facing competition from BMW, Rolls-Royce, Land Rover, Cadillac, Lexus, Audi, Volvo, and Bentley to name a few. The x166 has been out since MY 2013 and the common person can't tell the difference between a GL and a GLS. If they wait too long, MB will drop off some people's consideration lists and they'll go to another brand.

Couldn't agree more.

JoeMa 04-11-2018 11:38 AM

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Looks like the X167 will be a larger SUV in every dimension:

Germancar1 04-12-2018 01:12 AM


Originally Posted by JoeMa (Post 7427011)
As new info arrives about the next-gen 2020 GLS (X167), post your findings here. One tidbit I read was the 4-liter V8 GLS will be rebadged GLS560. The article also mentions the new straight six engine. I heard through the grapevine the new I6 engine was the reason MB is holding off on the X167 until later. We'll know soon enough but a lot of work is already completed on the X167.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ed-123793.html

Why would the I6 be the cause of any delay, even if there was one? There isn't one.

M

JoeMa 04-12-2018 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Germancar1 (Post 7428340)
Why would the I6 be the cause of any delay, even if there was one? There isn't one.
M

Why the negative post? I'm only sharing what I was told by a dealer who was at the meeting in Cabo and has no reason to make something like that up.


I found several articles about the I6 engine coming to GLS, here is one example:
http://www.bmwblog.com/2018/01/25/ne...s-take-bmw-x7/

Germancar1 04-12-2018 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMa (Post 7428553)
Why the negative post? I'm only sharing what I was told by a dealer who was at the meeting in Cabo and has no reason to make something like that up.


I found several articles about the I6 engine coming to GLS, here is one example:
http://www.bmwblog.com/2018/01/25/ne...s-take-bmw-x7/

What are you talking about? What part of that is negative? I just asked what the reasoning is behind the I6 holding up the next GLS? No one said you made anything up.

M

Peter R. 04-13-2018 06:59 AM

I have no idea about on- or behind schedule, but I know this

The M256 (gas) and OM656 (diesel) I6 engines were designed for hybrids, and on top of the funky electrical precompressor on the gas engine run on a 48V electrical system.

So they'll have to adapt the platform for the 'new' generation of 48V engines as wel as the existing line of 12V V8's. Besides being an engineering pain in the neck this is most certainly going to pose som production challenges.

This new design is much more than purely aesthetic. I can imagine MB taking their time. The potential for disaster is enormous.

Pete

bonboon 04-13-2018 11:59 AM

Some pics of Maybach variant expected at China show are now floating around world wide inter web

JoeMa 04-13-2018 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by E3470 (Post 7429494)
Some pics of Maybach variant expected at China show are now floating around world wide inter web

Good catch, MB released a teaser on their Facebook page. C-NET posted a link to it:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/m...easer-beijing/

JoeMa 04-16-2018 07:03 PM


c4004matic 04-16-2018 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMa (Post 7427011)
As new info arrives about the next-gen 2020 GLS (X167), post your findings here. One tidbit I read was the 4-liter V8 GLS will be rebadged GLS560. The article also mentions the new straight six engine. I heard through the grapevine the new I6 engine was the reason MB is holding off on the X167 until later. We'll know soon enough but a lot of work is already completed on the X167.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ed-123793.html

This makes perfect sense and fits the development history. Again the engine choices will mirror the S class, whose new v8 is the new 4.0. This I6 was supposed to be the base engine for the S450 but evidently it wasnt ready on time. If and when it is it will replace the m276 on both vehicles. The I6 predominant advantage is fuel economy, not power, dont expect a faster vehicle. MB would love a 450 that can avg 22 to 25 mpg without sacrificing performance.

mercup 04-17-2018 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by c4004matic (Post 7432146)
This makes perfect sense and fits the development history. Again the engine choices will mirror the S class, whose new v8 is the new 4.0. This I6 was supposed to be the base engine for the S450 but evidently it wasnt ready on time. If and when it is it will replace the m276 on both vehicles. The I6 predominant advantage is fuel economy, not power, dont expect a faster vehicle. MB would love a 450 that can avg 22 to 25 mpg without sacrificing performance.

If they keep nearly the same HP and Torque numbers as the previous engines...the performance will probably improve since they are moving to their new modular platform which is supposed to include reduced weight hence the better perf.

c4004matic 04-18-2018 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by mercup (Post 7432347)
If they keep nearly the same HP and Torque numbers as the previous engines...the performance will probably improve since they are moving to their new modular platform which is supposed to include reduced weight hence the better perf.

But, its also bigger. We'll see how it works itself out. The E class weight loss is widely quoted as 200 lbs. But if you look closer a quarter of the weight loss wa going to a 4 cylinder. Furtheremore for the six, there will be a battery penalty too!

Peter R. 04-19-2018 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by c4004matic (Post 7432146)
The I6 predominant advantage is fuel economy, not power, dont expect a faster vehicle. MB would love a 450 that can avg 22 to 25 mpg without sacrificing performance.

MB themselves think differently. They have stated the main advantage for them is that the cat can be put a lot closer to the engine, thus improving eficiency and a cleaner engine.
Me, I think they do it because an inline has fewer moving parts and is there for cheaper to make. But I'm a professional cynic Not the Greek variety.

JoeMa 04-20-2018 05:42 PM

Interesting artist renders of the upcoming GLE (by Car and Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...s-what-we-know)

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...7667513cee.png

jerome8283 04-20-2018 09:33 PM

I like it, especially the front end.

JoeMa 04-21-2018 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by jerome8283 (Post 7435557)
I like it, especially the front end.

And the backend is rendered very nicely as well. Their artist should be working for Mercedes. :)

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...2278771352.png

mercup 04-21-2018 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMa (Post 7435902)
And the backend is rendered very nicely as well. Their artist should be working for Mercedes. :)

Agreed...Merc needs to hire them ASAP!

opelrsx 04-21-2018 07:09 PM

Some may hate that front grille, trypohobia :stick:

Yoni94 04-22-2018 12:39 AM

The Mercedes-Maybach SUV renderings that I have seen look pretty awful.

JoeMa 04-22-2018 06:51 AM

Not sure what renders you are referring to but if you mean this design, it is not a render, this is the actual concept Mercedes is showing in Beijing. And while I wouldn't call it awful, its odd looking and doesn't look like a Mercedes. Not to worry, concept designs generally never make it to production. But if it does, that will make my Maybach buying decision much easier. :)

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...a5e63dae82.jpg

BACnMercedes 04-22-2018 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by opelrsx (Post 7436091)
Some may hate that front grille, trypohobia :stick:

I agree. Those floating stars or diamonds are just plain hideous and I've hated them on all the cars. But the rest of it GLE is gorgeous! Get that artist on the MB payroll!

Yoni94 04-23-2018 12:25 AM

Just because it's a concept doesn't mean it's not a rendering. I used my language appropriately.


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