CLK55 (W208) vs. CLK55 (W209) - both stock - who will win?
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Originally Posted by Improviz
Have you run it at the strip? From your dyno run, sounds like you're pulling the same hp, so it'd depend upon gearing (and of course, driver!!
). Oh, and if you stuck an LSD on there, that'd give you a leg up (thanks, Mercedes).
Hopefully this Wed I'll track the car for the first time.Wish me luck!
I'll keep all posted.
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Thanx for your explanation Improv.It's very misleading info that MB gives us if we didnt understand your explanation.They rate all of the V8 5.5L different but yet the hp #'s are basically the same due to your rpm Tq explanation,correct?
346 hp/5500 rpm
384 ft-lb/2800 rpm
....but in the pdf version that I downloaded from Benz, they changed this to 342@5500 and 376@3000. To make matters more confusing, the CLK brochure that I have specifies torque at 376 lb-ft from 3000-4300 rpm, which of course means that there'd be a true peak in there somewhere, obviously above 376. So, realistically I'd say peak torque is more in the 390 range.
Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
I just don't get what AMG is trying to do.
And of course, dyno (and trap speed) numbers indicate that all of the SC 5.5l motors are producing true horsepower well above rated horsepower, in the 530 range.
Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Hopefully this Wed I'll track the car for the first time.Wish me luck! I'll keep all posted.
I'll keep all posted.
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Originally Posted by DBERRY7578
Someone on another thread said that the difference in the hp was because of the different exhaust systems. Not really sure if that is true. 
the W209 has bigger tips, but i highly doubt thats gonna really affect the flow enough to add almost 30 HP, although the 2005 Models had quad exhaust, im not sure if its true dual though, or if its single pipe into 2.
Also exhaust systems, unless its a Turbo car, rarely add that much HP. Look at the American E46 M3, compared to the Euro. The euro has 343 while ours has 333, thats due to the less restrictive exhaust, because of their emissions standards.
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but now 40% chance of rain... 
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/digital/NY074afm.htm
anyone know if the track closes on even slight precipitation?
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/digital/NY074afm.htm
anyone know if the track closes on even slight precipitation?
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Originally Posted by c55m8o
but now 40% chance of rain...
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/digital/NY074afm.htm
anyone know if the track closes on even slight precipitation?
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/digital/NY074afm.htm
anyone know if the track closes on even slight precipitation?
Our meet Sunday is in Reynolds, GA:
http://www.weather.com/activities/ot...nav_undeclared
10% chance of precip and 61 cool degrees Saturday night
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Originally Posted by Chappy
That's New York weather...
Our meet Sunday is in Reynolds, GA:
Our meet Sunday is in Reynolds, GA:
Thanx for being kind... :pNice weather outlook ... I envy you!
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did this race ever go down, which track were you guys going to? I would like to tag along if you are going to commerece, me and my boy in his s55 go up there sometimes as it's only 25 minutes from here.
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Originally Posted by lovem5wantm6
did this race ever go down, which track were you guys going to? I would like to tag along if you are going to commerece, me and my boy in his s55 go up there sometimes as it's only 25 minutes from here.
Details here....
https://mbworld.org/forums/events-gatherings/120147-georgia-drag-gtg-import-showdown-october-9th.html
When are you heading to Commerce next?
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Originally Posted by Chappy
Rafi PMed me a few weeks before the race as he had another commitment already. We did hit the track at Silver Dollar.
Details here....
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120147
When are you heading to Commerce next?
Details here....
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120147
When are you heading to Commerce next?
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Originally Posted by AMG_55
i raced a 208, rolling start from about 20mph.. i pulled on him no problem, very easy, maybe it was the driver or the specific car i dunno
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Originally Posted by 55 ON IT
Are you sure it wasn't a 430 you raced?
the wheels were hre 17's
so icouldnt tell from the wheels
i raced 430's before, this was faster
maybe he started 1 gear higher than me??
because after the initial pull it seemed that the rate of him going backward decreased
as for which car is faster and torque #'s
the 210 55 had 390tq and 354hp
the 208 55 had 376 and 342 but i think that the tq peaked in a smaller range than the 209
i raced a 210 55 and we were both even up to about 80...not an inch in it
and i know for sure that the 210 is faster than the 208.. i remember being very surprised at the numbers when magazines started testing it.. it was slow for the power and weight that it had
as for the best 1/4 time for a 209
13.1 @107.1 motor trend
the best i ran was a 13.8@ 99. something
that was at palmdale, the elevation is like 4500 ft or something like that and the track isnt in the best condition
i put my $ on the 209
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Originally Posted by SLVRBLT43K
AMG 55 how about a quick race with a Kleemann CLK430 (Convertible)???
sure y not?
i'll probably lose
actually ill bring my moms e55k, thatll be a good race
which do uwant to race?
i doesnt matter to me
ull probably beat me in my car though
how much power are u pushing? i'm thinking about 425-440
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r u the 1 with lorinser wheels, brembo brakes and tinted rear lights?
if u r then ive met u at the 76 gas station on doheny and pico a while back
r u talking about drag or canyon racing??
i forgot 2 ask
if u r then ive met u at the 76 gas station on doheny and pico a while back
r u talking about drag or canyon racing??
i forgot 2 ask
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Originally Posted by AMG_55
r u the 1 with lorinser wheels, brembo brakes and tinted rear lights?
if u r then ive met u at the 76 gas station on doheny and pico a while back
r u talking about drag or canyon racing??
i forgot 2 ask
if u r then ive met u at the 76 gas station on doheny and pico a while back
r u talking about drag or canyon racing??
i forgot 2 ask
That would be me!!!! Would be fun to try with both cars, Straight line would be fine. My friend has a W208 Clk55 , he will join us too.
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Originally Posted by SLVRBLT43K
That would be me!!!! Would be fun to try with both cars, Straight line would be fine. My friend has a W208 Clk55 , he will join us too.
im taking my car in for service 2morrow
should be back by wed or something
we'll do it for sure
mean while maybe we can run my moms e55? sometime this weekend?
we can go to the track (palmdale) if ud like, although it is kinda far
i dont care
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Originally Posted by AMG_55
and i know for sure that the 210 is faster than the 208.. i remember being very surprised at the numbers when magazines started testing it.. it was slow for the power and weight that it had
The E55 was tested faster in some cases, slower in others (I believe that Car & Driver tested one at 13.7 or 13.8, another at 13.3 or thereabouts), but this was again thanks to its higher traction helping its 60' times; trap speeds for it and the 208 were about the same...
Originally Posted by AMG_55
the best i ran was a 13.8@ 99. something
that was at palmdale, the elevation is like 4500 ft or something like that and the track isnt in the best condition
that was at palmdale, the elevation is like 4500 ft or something like that and the track isnt in the best condition
Originally Posted by AMG_55
i put my $ on the 209
Say, has this race ever been run yet?? Chappy???
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Originally Posted by Improviz
Not particularly, but its times were definitely hampered by its relatively light weight, skinny tires, and lack of LSD, all of which hurt its 60' time. The new one is a bit heavier, and more weight helps w/traction. Horsepower/weight of the new one is same as old one, so the two should be pretty equal...reaction time and driver will win/lose a race between the 209/208.
The E55 was tested faster in some cases, slower in others (I believe that Car & Driver tested one at 13.7 or 13.8, another at 13.3 or thereabouts), but this was again thanks to its higher traction helping its 60' times; trap speeds for it and the 208 were about the same...
Nice run...I'd expect a bit higher trap w/that ET, though; could you scan the slip or post the splits? I'd like to see 60', etc...
Well, you're biased!
Say, has this race ever been run yet?? Chappy???
The E55 was tested faster in some cases, slower in others (I believe that Car & Driver tested one at 13.7 or 13.8, another at 13.3 or thereabouts), but this was again thanks to its higher traction helping its 60' times; trap speeds for it and the 208 were about the same...
Nice run...I'd expect a bit higher trap w/that ET, though; could you scan the slip or post the splits? I'd like to see 60', etc...
Well, you're biased!
Say, has this race ever been run yet?? Chappy???
that was a long while back and i havent gone to the track for a while
i find them ill put em up though
yep ur right about the skinny tires (i run 275 on the rear)
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Originally Posted by AMG_55
ok
im taking my car in for service 2morrow
should be back by wed or something
we'll do it for sure
mean while maybe we can run my moms e55? sometime this weekend?
we can go to the track (palmdale) if ud like, although it is kinda far
i dont care
im taking my car in for service 2morrow
should be back by wed or something
we'll do it for sure
mean while maybe we can run my moms e55? sometime this weekend?
we can go to the track (palmdale) if ud like, although it is kinda far
i dont care
Let's make some arrangements. Email me I will see you soon.
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Originally Posted by AMG_55
i dont have the slips any more
that was a long while back and i havent gone to the track for a while
i find them ill put em up though
yep ur right about the skinny tires (i run 275 on the rear)
that was a long while back and i havent gone to the track for a while
i find them ill put em up though
yep ur right about the skinny tires (i run 275 on the rear)
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Originally Posted by lovem5wantm6
tommorrow actually just got a stock c5 vette and want to give it a run before i put throttle bodies and intake on it and later send it for a new block. you down?
