ProjectC55

Thanx for your explanation Improv.It's very misleading info that MB gives us if we didnt understand your explanation.They rate all of the V8 5.5L different but yet the hp #'s are basically the same due to your rpm Tq explanation,correct? I just don't get what AMG is trying to do.

Hopefully this Wed I'll track the car for the first time.Wish me luck! I'll keep all posted.

Improviz

Well, I think that the horsepower of the 210 E55 and the 208 CLK55 were the same, yes...I'm not sure what's up with the torque ratings. On mine, a very early 2001, the owners' manual gave horsepower and torque ratings as follows:

346 hp/5500 rpm
384 ft-lb/2800 rpm

....but in the pdf version that I downloaded from Benz, they changed this to 342@5500 and 376@3000. To make matters more confusing, the CLK brochure that I have specifies torque at 376 lb-ft from 3000-4300 rpm, which of course means that there'd be a true peak in there somewhere, obviously above 376. So, realistically I'd say peak torque is more in the 390 range.

They do the same thing with the new SC 5.5l motors as well...the E55 is obviously producing the same HP as the CL, S, and SL versions, and yet they rate it lower, probably so the folks who are shelling out the higher funds for them can have some bragging rights.

And of course, dyno (and trap speed) numbers indicate that all of the SC 5.5l motors are producing true horsepower well above rated horsepower, in the 530 range.

Good luck! Launch is the tricky part with these babies...feather that throttle!!

DBERRY7578

Someone on another thread said that the difference in the hp was because of the different exhaust systems. Not really sure if that is true.

FThornton666

the W209 has bigger tips, but i highly doubt thats gonna really affect the flow enough to add almost 30 HP, although the 2005 Models had quad exhaust, im not sure if its true dual though, or if its single pipe into 2.

Also exhaust systems, unless its a Turbo car, rarely add that much HP. Look at the American E46 M3, compared to the Euro. The euro has 343 while ours has 333, thats due to the less restrictive exhaust, because of their emissions standards.

Chappy

Weather.com is showing a nice, chilly morning for Sunday (mid 50s). Perfect for a day at the drags!

c55m8o

but now 40% chance of rain...

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/digital/NY074afm.htm

anyone know if the track closes on even slight precipitation?

Chappy

That's New York weather...

Our meet Sunday is in Reynolds, GA:

http://www.weather.com/activities/ot...nav_undeclared

10% chance of precip and 61 cool degrees Saturday night

Militant-Grunt

I think he was talking about the Montvale meet... 3 days of rain =/

c55m8o

Ya, I only noticed after you posted in the Northeast meet thread you're from Hotlanta... Thanx for being kind... :p

Nice weather outlook ... I envy you!

lovem5wantm6

did this race ever go down, which track were you guys going to? I would like to tag along if you are going to commerece, me and my boy in his s55 go up there sometimes as it's only 25 minutes from here.

Chappy

Rafi PMed me a few weeks before the race as he had another commitment already. We did hit the track at Silver Dollar.

Details here....

https://mbworld.org/forums/events-gatherings/120147-georgia-drag-gtg-import-showdown-october-9th.html

When are you heading to Commerce next?

AMG_55

i raced a 208, rolling start from about 20mph.. i pulled on him no problem, very easy, maybe it was the driver or the specific car i dunno

lovem5wantm6

tommorrow actually just got a stock c5 vette and want to give it a run before i put throttle bodies and intake on it and later send it for a new block. you down?

55 ON IT

Are you sure it wasn't a 430 you raced?

AMG_55

yes, it had the dual tip amg exhaust + badges

the wheels were hre 17's
so icouldnt tell from the wheels
i raced 430's before, this was faster
maybe he started 1 gear higher than me??
because after the initial pull it seemed that the rate of him going backward decreased

as for which car is faster and torque #'s
the 210 55 had 390tq and 354hp
the 208 55 had 376 and 342 but i think that the tq peaked in a smaller range than the 209
i raced a 210 55 and we were both even up to about 80...not an inch in it
and i know for sure that the 210 is faster than the 208.. i remember being very surprised at the numbers when magazines started testing it.. it was slow for the power and weight that it had

as for the best 1/4 time for a 209
13.1 @107.1 motor trend

the best i ran was a 13.8@ 99. something
that was at palmdale, the elevation is like 4500 ft or something like that and the track isnt in the best condition

i put my $ on the 209

SLVRBLT43K

AMG 55 how about a quick race with a Kleemann CLK430 (Convertible)???

AMG_55

u forgot to mention kompressor...
sure y not?
i'll probably lose
actually ill bring my moms e55k, thatll be a good race
which do uwant to race?
i doesnt matter to me
ull probably beat me in my car though
how much power are u pushing? i'm thinking about 425-440

AMG_55

r u the 1 with lorinser wheels, brembo brakes and tinted rear lights?
if u r then ive met u at the 76 gas station on doheny and pico a while back

r u talking about drag or canyon racing??
i forgot 2 ask

SLVRBLT43K

That would be me!!!! Would be fun to try with both cars, Straight line would be fine. My friend has a W208 Clk55 , he will join us too.

AMG_55

ok
im taking my car in for service 2morrow
should be back by wed or something
we'll do it for sure
mean while maybe we can run my moms e55? sometime this weekend?
we can go to the track (palmdale) if ud like, although it is kinda far
i dont care

Improviz

Not particularly, but its times were definitely hampered by its relatively light weight, skinny tires, and lack of LSD, all of which hurt its 60' time. The new one is a bit heavier, and more weight helps w/traction. Horsepower/weight of the new one is same as old one, so the two should be pretty equal...reaction time and driver will win/lose a race between the 209/208.

The E55 was tested faster in some cases, slower in others (I believe that Car & Driver tested one at 13.7 or 13.8, another at 13.3 or thereabouts), but this was again thanks to its higher traction helping its 60' times; trap speeds for it and the 208 were about the same...

Nice run...I'd expect a bit higher trap w/that ET, though; could you scan the slip or post the splits? I'd like to see 60', etc...

Well, you're biased!

Say, has this race ever been run yet?? Chappy???

AMG_55

i dont have the slips any more
that was a long while back and i havent gone to the track for a while
i find them ill put em up though
yep ur right about the skinny tires (i run 275 on the rear)

SLVRBLT43K

Let's make some arrangements. Email me I will see you soon.

Improviz

Yeah, same here! Those 245s are a JOKE on a car with that much torque and no LSD!! The 275's help a lot, but I still can't launch it as agressively as I'd like without frying them, but they're waay better than those sucky 245's!!

Chappy

Thanks for the offer, but I have a conflict for tonight. Keep us in mind if you roll up there again.