Porsche Turbo Got Owned
07-08-2006, 05:07 PM
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SL65/BENTLEY GT
SL65 vs Porsche Turbo S Cabriolet
0-60 4.2vs 4.0
0-100 9.1vs 9.2
0-150 20.5vs 21.8
1/4 mile 12.1@120vs 12.1@117
rolling times
5-60 4.2vs 5.3
30-50 2.0vs 10.3 wow
50-70 2.3vs 7.8
And this was on a bad day!
0-60 4.2vs 4.0
0-100 9.1vs 9.2
0-150 20.5vs 21.8
1/4 mile 12.1@120vs 12.1@117
rolling times
5-60 4.2vs 5.3
30-50 2.0vs 10.3 wow
50-70 2.3vs 7.8
And this was on a bad day!
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07-08-2006, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LawrenceAW
You do realize that Porsche is ranked #2 as far as the least amount of problems per car, Lexus is #1. If I'd been given the choice of owning only one car until I die, it would be an S65, but, you certainly have to give credit to Porsche, 480BHP out of a 3.6L 6 (997 Turbo), how is that inferior to an SL65 which makes 604 out of a 6.0L 12? I'm not jumping on the Porsche wagon though, I just give the rightful respect to both makers.
I mean, at least I can understand faults with the TPMS, Distronic, the 16 second hard top roof that folds away, or even the drive dynamic seats. :p
07-08-2006, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DBERRY7578
SL65 vs Porsche Turbo S Cabriolet
0-60 4.2vs 4.0
0-100 9.1vs 9.2
0-150 20.5vs 21.8
1/4 mile 12.1@120vs 12.1@117
rolling times
5-60 4.2vs 5.3
30-50 2.0vs 10.3 wow
50-70 2.3vs 7.8
And this was on a bad day!
0-60 4.2vs 4.0
0-100 9.1vs 9.2
0-150 20.5vs 21.8
1/4 mile 12.1@120vs 12.1@117
rolling times
5-60 4.2vs 5.3
30-50 2.0vs 10.3 wow
50-70 2.3vs 7.8
And this was on a bad day!
07-08-2006, 05:58 PM
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SL65/BENTLEY GT
Originally Posted by RennTechV12
To be fair, you should compare the SL65 with the comparable 2005 GT2. The Turbo is priced more with the SL55.
Actually it's priced above the SL600, so that would be a better match.
Overall I believe that porsche are engineered to perform on tracks, while MB's are designed for luxury straight line performance.
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07-09-2006, 07:19 AM
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The new 997TT should be the interesting one, 3.4s 0-60mph, and 11.7s quarter mile per Porsche.
Well, provided you order version with the tiptronic (read MB made 5 speed auto box) and the sports chrono with overboost.
Well, provided you order version with the tiptronic (read MB made 5 speed auto box) and the sports chrono with overboost.
07-09-2006, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by W210
The new 997TT should be the interesting one, 3.4s 0-60mph, and 11.7s quarter mile per Porsche.
Well, provided you order version with the tiptronic (read MB made 5 speed auto box) and the sports chrono with overboost.
Well, provided you order version with the tiptronic (read MB made 5 speed auto box) and the sports chrono with overboost.
I can't wait to see what the upgraded 65 engine will be like, whenever its produced. The car manufacturers are competing at such a mad pace until no one will be king of the hill for more than two years. It's crazy to think about, but I can see the current stock 65 being killed at every corner if this fanatical horsepower race continues in two years or less.
07-09-2006, 06:20 PM
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W211 E55 AMG, ML63 AMG, Past 996GT3,ZCPM3,Brabus C32,ML 500
Porsche, anyday FTW as a drivers car.No matter how fast the AMGs are they are still HEAVY slushbox sedans that can't take a corner.
AMGS are good daily drivers and good for a romp in a straight line..
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07-09-2006, 08:52 PM
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SL55 AMG, 2006 Range Rover Sport with Kahn Design Package
Remember, porsche is race inspired machine, MBZ is comprimising luxury and race for its AMG lines.
07-09-2006, 08:53 PM
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Isnt this a bit silly..?
There are plenty of us on this forum who own both. And I for one can easily say that my 996TT (Bone Stock) is faster then my E55 (Bone Stock)...
There is no debate about it as far as I can see.. Mod the E55, mod the porsche, porsche is still faster...
There are plenty of us on this forum who own both. And I for one can easily say that my 996TT (Bone Stock) is faster then my E55 (Bone Stock)...
There is no debate about it as far as I can see.. Mod the E55, mod the porsche, porsche is still faster...
07-09-2006, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DBERRY7578
Porsche, Ferrari, and Lambo have produced cars since the 65 was brought out that clearly erases or eliminates the difference of time in the quarter. Even the new Shelby GT has 500 hps. MB and AMG has to respond which they have with the increase in horsepowers with the S550.
I can't wait to see what the upgraded 65 engine will be like, whenever its produced. The car manufacturers are competing at such a mad pace until no one will be king of the hill for more than two years. It's crazy to think about, but I can see the current stock 65 being killed at every corner if this fanatical horsepower race continues in two years or less.
I can't wait to see what the upgraded 65 engine will be like, whenever its produced. The car manufacturers are competing at such a mad pace until no one will be king of the hill for more than two years. It's crazy to think about, but I can see the current stock 65 being killed at every corner if this fanatical horsepower race continues in two years or less.
07-09-2006, 11:13 PM
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SL65/BENTLEY GT
Originally Posted by W210
As a highway cruiser the 65 series are the king in my opinion. At lower speed or where traction is important however, is where a car like the 997TT will do better.
I haven't found a car that I am willing to trade my SL65 for regardless of the disadvantages, and that is probably because I am not a track guy, and it more than satisfies my desire to run with the wind in luxury. That is the reason the Bentley GT is my next target. Guys like RennTechV12, and Treynor are true car enthusiast, and I don't really put myself in their category because of one purchase. Even after I make my next purchase my car usage will be limited to highway/city traveling. If I decided to do some track racing, then I would find the best car for that and move from there. I guess AMG has another satisfied customer.
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07-09-2006, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by adam@kronen
Remember, porsche is race inspired machine, MBZ is compromising luxury and race for its AMG lines.
07-10-2006, 02:52 AM
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E55 AMG/ 911 GT2/ 911 GT3
Originally Posted by DBERRY7578
Personally I enjoy all special cars, and I'm not in so deep until I cant see the good in all of them, but I am not one to lay down when someone decides to crown any outside vehicle the chosen one on this forum, although it has been said that the 65 is "Gods own engine". LOL
Car and Drive Magazine August 2005 Streets of Willow 1.6 miles
SL65 Price as tested $189,970.00 Lap Time 1:34:95
Average Speed: 60.7
Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet Price as tested $147,435.00 Lap Time 1:34.97
Average Speed: 60.6
Close Call but the fat *** nipped the light and nimble even on a day it was running very hot and the engine was stalling.
Car and Drive Magazine August 2005 Streets of Willow 1.6 miles
SL65 Price as tested $189,970.00 Lap Time 1:34:95
Average Speed: 60.7
Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet Price as tested $147,435.00 Lap Time 1:34.97
Average Speed: 60.6
Close Call but the fat *** nipped the light and nimble even on a day it was running very hot and the engine was stalling.
"Ironically, our acceleration results are slower than expected, even though the car meets the factory claims for 0-to-60 times. That may be due to the intense heat (over 90 degrees) at our desert test site, where repeated runs had the car's coolant gauge reaching the top of its scale, whereupon the engine computer cuts boost and probably retards ignition spark, too, for good measure. That slows the SL65 right down.
It did the same thing at the Streets of Willow, where we could record only one lap before an identical situation arose. One look under the hood suggests an explanation. There's a tightly packed cluster of hot plumbing under there, and engine-bay airflow is clearly not up to the task of scavenging it. Still, we can't think of anywhere you could use full power for long periods of time in this car in normal circumstances. Except maybe on the autobahn, where high-speed airflow would doubtless cure the problem."
07-10-2006, 02:58 AM
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E55 AMG/ 911 GT2/ 911 GT3
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Yes, PLEASE show my GT2 an *** whooping... that is the best joke of the day. Come out to the track in California, your 65 pig wouldn't even last more than 2 laps in the summer at Willow Springs.
Modified SL 65's could not even touch my old Protomotive 996 Turbo with "only" 700 horse, let alone some of the cars in California pushing over 1200hp to the wheels, running 9's, and still daily drivable.
SL 65's are for old farts who want to go fast in comfort. Nothing wrong with that, it is what it is.
Originally Posted by RennTechV12
And what should the name be
Those are my cars on the RENNTech website. I love my Benzes, they kick some serious @$$!, look at some of my other posts here and you'll see that I have never said one ill word about MB, my SL600 will outrun all but the most modded Porsche turbos, PERIOD![/QUOT]
Its amazing that you were so upset with my response to HAMANN7 coming into this forum blasting AMG's, as you stated on the porsche forum. You clearly overlooked the BS he stated and took sides with team porsche. Since he was such an ********, I responded with my experience of running a few porsches who should have modified themselves before barking up the SL65 tree. I didn't go to the porsche site and trash the Carrera GT, by stating that a modified 65 would strip it naked in the 1/4.
If it was all about modifying cars to see who is the fastest in the quarter, I wouldn't hesitate to get a 7 sec mustang or a 9 sec EVO to dust some of the most expensive cars in the world. Clearly the fastest car in your stable is not a porsche, and is capable of killing the carrera gt, enzo, veyron, and a few others in the 1/4. You more than many people know the strengths and limits of the SL and the porsches, which is not really a secret. So I'm not about to go into depression about some guy modifiying a car and killing me. But it would be wise for porsches to heavily modify or simply die if they challenge most upper end AMG's.
Those are my cars on the RENNTech website. I love my Benzes, they kick some serious @$$!, look at some of my other posts here and you'll see that I have never said one ill word about MB, my SL600 will outrun all but the most modded Porsche turbos, PERIOD![/QUOT]
Its amazing that you were so upset with my response to HAMANN7 coming into this forum blasting AMG's, as you stated on the porsche forum. You clearly overlooked the BS he stated and took sides with team porsche. Since he was such an ********, I responded with my experience of running a few porsches who should have modified themselves before barking up the SL65 tree. I didn't go to the porsche site and trash the Carrera GT, by stating that a modified 65 would strip it naked in the 1/4.
If it was all about modifying cars to see who is the fastest in the quarter, I wouldn't hesitate to get a 7 sec mustang or a 9 sec EVO to dust some of the most expensive cars in the world. Clearly the fastest car in your stable is not a porsche, and is capable of killing the carrera gt, enzo, veyron, and a few others in the 1/4. You more than many people know the strengths and limits of the SL and the porsches, which is not really a secret. So I'm not about to go into depression about some guy modifiying a car and killing me. But it would be wise for porsches to heavily modify or simply die if they challenge most upper end AMG's.
Yes, PLEASE show my GT2 an *** whooping... that is the best joke of the day. Come out to the track in California, your 65 pig wouldn't even last more than 2 laps in the summer at Willow Springs.Modified SL 65's could not even touch my old Protomotive 996 Turbo with "only" 700 horse, let alone some of the cars in California pushing over 1200hp to the wheels, running 9's, and still daily drivable.
SL 65's are for old farts who want to go fast in comfort. Nothing wrong with that, it is what it is.
07-10-2006, 03:04 AM
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E55 AMG/ 911 GT2/ 911 GT3
Originally Posted by L8Apex
Nice kill.
Hmmm I remember a stock 55 on giggle gas (a $500 mod) runs in the 10's ala DerekFSU. Not bad for a luxury 4 door. Considering the amount of cash spent on mods to the above mentioned Pcars most would expect lower ET's. But most of us know a Pcar is not a great 1/4 toy. If it's used for the street that's one thing, but for the +$50k spent in mods for the Pcars I would rather own a pure track car. I would put a little 944 known as "Flipper" (selling for $40k) up against any of them at the track (buttonwillow, willow springs) any day of the week.
Hmmm I remember a stock 55 on giggle gas (a $500 mod) runs in the 10's ala DerekFSU. Not bad for a luxury 4 door. Considering the amount of cash spent on mods to the above mentioned Pcars most would expect lower ET's. But most of us know a Pcar is not a great 1/4 toy. If it's used for the street that's one thing, but for the +$50k spent in mods for the Pcars I would rather own a pure track car. I would put a little 944 known as "Flipper" (selling for $40k) up against any of them at the track (buttonwillow, willow springs) any day of the week.
For $50K you can have a pretty fast 996 Turbo IF you pick the right mods. Try this on for size... Flipper's best time was 1:21 at Willow. A stock GT2 with MPSC tires will run 1:27-1:28. A modified GT2 with the right suspension (including JRZs, like Flipper has) will run within 1-2 seconds of Flipper with full interior and 700lbs. of additional weight WITHOUT power mods. Are you sure you want to use the statement "any of them"???
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07-10-2006, 03:15 AM
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I am sorry if I offended you AMG owners with my comments.
Part of the reason why I am disgruntled with AMG owners is that nobody seems to care about the overall performance of these cars. All everyone talks about is drag racing and adding more and more power... I think it's funny that nobody seems to be having real discussions as to how bad Mercedes handling is across the board from the C-Class to the SL 65.
Can you guys honestly tell me that AMG cars are good for anything but drag racing and freeway pulls? Besides having a softer ride, how is it superior to the BMW M cars, let alone the Porsches?
I like my E55 for freeway commuting and running errands but when pushing the car to its limit, it feels downright scary and loses its composure. The body rolls around corners, the Airmatic doesn't know what to do with transitioning weight from corner to corner, and the suspension geometry is completely flawed with little range of adjustability. Yes, even the Cayenne Turbo uses the chollo airbags, but at least it still handles well enough to lap the Ring only a few seconds slower than a C2! Why is that???
Here is some food for thought... even the almighty SLR McLaren gets beaten around the Nordschliefe by the GT3-RS with only 381hp!
Clearly, Mercedes is retarded when it comes to suspension tuning!
Part of the reason why I am disgruntled with AMG owners is that nobody seems to care about the overall performance of these cars. All everyone talks about is drag racing and adding more and more power... I think it's funny that nobody seems to be having real discussions as to how bad Mercedes handling is across the board from the C-Class to the SL 65.
Can you guys honestly tell me that AMG cars are good for anything but drag racing and freeway pulls? Besides having a softer ride, how is it superior to the BMW M cars, let alone the Porsches?
I like my E55 for freeway commuting and running errands but when pushing the car to its limit, it feels downright scary and loses its composure. The body rolls around corners, the Airmatic doesn't know what to do with transitioning weight from corner to corner, and the suspension geometry is completely flawed with little range of adjustability. Yes, even the Cayenne Turbo uses the chollo airbags, but at least it still handles well enough to lap the Ring only a few seconds slower than a C2! Why is that???
Here is some food for thought... even the almighty SLR McLaren gets beaten around the Nordschliefe by the GT3-RS with only 381hp!
Clearly, Mercedes is retarded when it comes to suspension tuning!
07-10-2006, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamann7
I am sorry if I offended you AMG owners with my comments.
Part of the reason why I am disgruntled with AMG owners is that nobody seems to care about the overall performance of these cars. All everyone talks about is drag racing and adding more and more power... I think it's funny that nobody seems to be having real discussions as to how bad Mercedes handling is across the board from the C-Class to the SL 65.
Can you guys honestly tell me that AMG cars are good for anything but drag racing and freeway pulls? Besides having a softer ride, how is it superior to the BMW M cars, let alone the Porsches?
I like my E55 for freeway commuting and running errands but when pushing the car to its limit, it feels downright scary and loses its composure. The body rolls around corners, the Airmatic doesn't know what to do with transitioning weight from corner to corner, and the suspension geometry is completely flawed with little range of adjustability. Yes, even the Cayenne Turbo uses the chollo airbags, but at least it still handles well enough to lap the Ring only a few seconds slower than a C2! Why is that???
Here is some food for thought... even the almighty SLR McLaren gets beaten around the Nordschliefe by the GT3-RS with only 381hp!
Clearly, Mercedes is retarded when it comes to suspension tuning!
Part of the reason why I am disgruntled with AMG owners is that nobody seems to care about the overall performance of these cars. All everyone talks about is drag racing and adding more and more power... I think it's funny that nobody seems to be having real discussions as to how bad Mercedes handling is across the board from the C-Class to the SL 65.
Can you guys honestly tell me that AMG cars are good for anything but drag racing and freeway pulls? Besides having a softer ride, how is it superior to the BMW M cars, let alone the Porsches?
I like my E55 for freeway commuting and running errands but when pushing the car to its limit, it feels downright scary and loses its composure. The body rolls around corners, the Airmatic doesn't know what to do with transitioning weight from corner to corner, and the suspension geometry is completely flawed with little range of adjustability. Yes, even the Cayenne Turbo uses the chollo airbags, but at least it still handles well enough to lap the Ring only a few seconds slower than a C2! Why is that???
Here is some food for thought... even the almighty SLR McLaren gets beaten around the Nordschliefe by the GT3-RS with only 381hp!
Clearly, Mercedes is retarded when it comes to suspension tuning!
Truth...
07-10-2006, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamann7
I guess God meant for its engines to have inadequate cooling. You seem to have left out the concluding statements on the SL 65 in the same Car and Driver article, and the fact that it was tied for LAST PLACE with the Ford DB9.
"Ironically, our acceleration results are slower than expected, even though the car meets the factory claims for 0-to-60 times. That may be due to the intense heat (over 90 degrees) at our desert test site, where repeated runs had the car's coolant gauge reaching the top of its scale, whereupon the engine computer cuts boost and probably retards ignition spark, too, for good measure. That slows the SL65 right down.
It did the same thing at the Streets of Willow, where we could record only one lap before an identical situation arose. One look under the hood suggests an explanation. There's a tightly packed cluster of hot plumbing under there, and engine-bay airflow is clearly not up to the task of scavenging it. Still, we can't think of anywhere you could use full power for long periods of time in this car in normal circumstances. Except maybe on the autobahn, where high-speed airflow would doubtless cure the problem."
"Ironically, our acceleration results are slower than expected, even though the car meets the factory claims for 0-to-60 times. That may be due to the intense heat (over 90 degrees) at our desert test site, where repeated runs had the car's coolant gauge reaching the top of its scale, whereupon the engine computer cuts boost and probably retards ignition spark, too, for good measure. That slows the SL65 right down.
It did the same thing at the Streets of Willow, where we could record only one lap before an identical situation arose. One look under the hood suggests an explanation. There's a tightly packed cluster of hot plumbing under there, and engine-bay airflow is clearly not up to the task of scavenging it. Still, we can't think of anywhere you could use full power for long periods of time in this car in normal circumstances. Except maybe on the autobahn, where high-speed airflow would doubtless cure the problem."
You are clearly an angry man. Just trade your E55 for another Porsche. I wouldn't own a car that made me that angry. Any car running into the 9's is not a standard car, and can easily dominate the Carrera GT, Enzo, Veyron. and many others. I am pretty sure the guy driving the SLR is on his way to Porsche to trade for a GT 3,4, and 5.
What you fail to understand is that if we all wanted a porsche for better handling, and jamming it into corners, we would simply buy one. Congrats on your ability to corner, and sharpening your F-1 skills.
The simple truth is that I can give a sh@@ about racing on a track and most guys dont ever compete on a track in their lives. Don't take this so personal. Many of us enjoy driving in luxury at high speeds, and you enjoy whatever. So enjoy and dont ever buy another car or keep another car that pisses you off so much. We AMG owners apologize for not caring about having the most nimble breath taking performance car on the planet. We also apologize for only enjoying a quick quater mile rump.
Take a deep breath and let it go. Better yet, you have the better track car, the fastest car, the more reliable car, you are the better driver, you are the-------------Porsche Master! Feel Better Now
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07-10-2006, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamann7
I am sorry if I offended you AMG owners with my comments.
Part of the reason why I am disgruntled with AMG owners is that nobody seems to care about the overall performance of these cars. All everyone talks about is drag racing and adding more and more power... I think it's funny that nobody seems to be having real discussions as to how bad Mercedes handling is across the board from the C-Class to the SL 65.
Can you guys honestly tell me that AMG cars are good for anything but drag racing and freeway pulls? Besides having a softer ride, how is it superior to the BMW M cars, let alone the Porsches?
I like my E55 for freeway commuting and running errands but when pushing the car to its limit, it feels downright scary and loses its composure. The body rolls around corners, the Airmatic doesn't know what to do with transitioning weight from corner to corner, and the suspension geometry is completely flawed with little range of adjustability. Yes, even the Cayenne Turbo uses the chollo airbags, but at least it still handles well enough to lap the Ring only a few seconds slower than a C2! Why is that???
Here is some food for thought... even the almighty SLR McLaren gets beaten around the Nordschliefe by the GT3-RS with only 381hp!
Clearly, Mercedes is retarded when it comes to suspension tuning!
Part of the reason why I am disgruntled with AMG owners is that nobody seems to care about the overall performance of these cars. All everyone talks about is drag racing and adding more and more power... I think it's funny that nobody seems to be having real discussions as to how bad Mercedes handling is across the board from the C-Class to the SL 65.
Can you guys honestly tell me that AMG cars are good for anything but drag racing and freeway pulls? Besides having a softer ride, how is it superior to the BMW M cars, let alone the Porsches?
I like my E55 for freeway commuting and running errands but when pushing the car to its limit, it feels downright scary and loses its composure. The body rolls around corners, the Airmatic doesn't know what to do with transitioning weight from corner to corner, and the suspension geometry is completely flawed with little range of adjustability. Yes, even the Cayenne Turbo uses the chollo airbags, but at least it still handles well enough to lap the Ring only a few seconds slower than a C2! Why is that???
Here is some food for thought... even the almighty SLR McLaren gets beaten around the Nordschliefe by the GT3-RS with only 381hp!
Clearly, Mercedes is retarded when it comes to suspension tuning!
Ok, take a deep breath & try to understand this. Not everyone buys their car to take it to the track or to "push it to it's limit." Believe it or not some of us have other priorities in life than having the "best handling car." I could have purchased an M5, M6, SL55, 360 or a 996TT, but I didn't, because i didn't want to. My car fits my needs, on both a personal & business level, perfectly. Stop worrying so much about AMG owners, their choices & their cars. If you're so disgruntled, sell your "POS" E55 & stay at your Porsche forums.
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An Affalterbach Beast & Others
This argument could continue forever, what everyone needs to understand is that there is more to a car than what time it runs in the 1/4 mile. MB AMG puts together one hell of a package, that is without a doubt, but Porsche isn't desigining their cars to be a few tenths faster than an AMG, they are designing their cars to be the best overall performance car, so yes, when buying a Turbo, you make a small sacrafice in luxury, but you are buying one of the best built and designed cars in the world. As we know, MBs are designed with luxury as a highpoint, AMG then fills the performance needs with monsterous engines, but they are not designed to be an "overall performance" car, they are very powerful luxury cars. As I said, there will not be an end to this, each person's priorities will differ from anothers', so the car you purchase is based from what you expect of a car, although, if it comes down to basic build quality, using researched facts, I'm one to say that Porsche builds the better car.
Just my opinion guys, I do love AMG and the flames can continue.
Just my opinion guys, I do love AMG and the flames can continue.
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07-10-2006, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DBERRY7578
I have yet to have a decent run with a porsche with any chance of kicking my ***. I have found them to be a complete bore on the streets. Cobras are far more exciting. Maybe the few who are faster live in other parts of the planet or have modified their cars for the track only. They also may have superior handling, and have shown lower 1/4 times in the most extreme situations, but its hard to tell when they are 20 car lengths back.
Thats the funniest false statement I've heard all year. LOL Good one!
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07-10-2006, 12:33 PM
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SL65/BENTLEY GT
Originally Posted by MiamiE55
Ok, take a deep breath & try to understand this. Not everyone buys their car to take it to the track or to "push it to it's limit." Believe it or not some of us have other priorities in life than having the "best handling car." I could have purchased an M5, M6, SL55, 360 or a 996TT, but I didn't, because i didn't want to. My car fits my needs, on both a personal & business level, perfectly. Stop worrying so much about AMG owners, their choices & their cars. If you're so disgruntled, sell your "POS" E55 & stay at your Porsche forums.
07-10-2006, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SL Shank
Thats the funniest false statement I've heard all year. LOL Good one!
The undefeated...........
The undefeated...........
If I loose to a porsche I would be more than willing to admit it. I'm not one that tie my cars performance to my ***** size. If stands strong all by itself. It is amazing that some of you porsche guys dont respect other peoples wish to not have a track car. If it is your desire to have the fastest quarter mile car, and the fastest track car may God be with you. The fact is that I have never lost any race in my SL65, however I am not under any illusion that my car is unbeatable. I just haven't met my match. My car is stock and if your car is running in the low 11's,10's,9's,8's,7-0, then there is a pretty good chance you can beat me from point A to point B.
If your car is engineered toward racing on tracks and mine is not, and you are a skilled driving, again you will probable win the race.
DOES THIS BOTHER ME AT ALL. HELL NO.
07-10-2006, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hamann7
I guess God meant for its engines to have inadequate cooling. You seem to have left out the concluding statements on the SL 65 in the same Car and Driver article, and the fact that it was tied for LAST PLACE with the Ford DB9.
"Ironically, our acceleration results are slower than expected, even though the car meets the factory claims for 0-to-60 times. That may be due to the intense heat (over 90 degrees) at our desert test site, where repeated runs had the car's coolant gauge reaching the top of its scale, whereupon the engine computer cuts boost and probably retards ignition spark, too, for good measure. That slows the SL65 right down.
It did the same thing at the Streets of Willow, where we could record only one lap before an identical situation arose. One look under the hood suggests an explanation. There's a tightly packed cluster of hot plumbing under there, and engine-bay airflow is clearly not up to the task of scavenging it. Still, we can't think of anywhere you could use full power for long periods of time in this car in normal circumstances. Except maybe on the autobahn, where high-speed airflow would doubtless cure the problem."
"Ironically, our acceleration results are slower than expected, even though the car meets the factory claims for 0-to-60 times. That may be due to the intense heat (over 90 degrees) at our desert test site, where repeated runs had the car's coolant gauge reaching the top of its scale, whereupon the engine computer cuts boost and probably retards ignition spark, too, for good measure. That slows the SL65 right down.
It did the same thing at the Streets of Willow, where we could record only one lap before an identical situation arose. One look under the hood suggests an explanation. There's a tightly packed cluster of hot plumbing under there, and engine-bay airflow is clearly not up to the task of scavenging it. Still, we can't think of anywhere you could use full power for long periods of time in this car in normal circumstances. Except maybe on the autobahn, where high-speed airflow would doubtless cure the problem."
07-10-2006, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Hamann7
Well geez... thanks for enlightening us. I'll be sure to tell Loren that he should abandon his turbocharged GT3 Cup project with RSR suspension and buy "Flipper" instead.
For $50K you can have a pretty fast 996 Turbo IF you pick the right mods. Try this on for size... Flipper's best time was 1:21 at Willow. A stock GT2 with MPSC tires will run 1:27-1:28. A modified GT2 with the right suspension (including JRZs, like Flipper has) will run within 1-2 seconds of Flipper with full interior and 700lbs. of additional weight WITHOUT power mods. Are you sure you want to use the statement "any of them"???
For $50K you can have a pretty fast 996 Turbo IF you pick the right mods. Try this on for size... Flipper's best time was 1:21 at Willow. A stock GT2 with MPSC tires will run 1:27-1:28. A modified GT2 with the right suspension (including JRZs, like Flipper has) will run within 1-2 seconds of Flipper with full interior and 700lbs. of additional weight WITHOUT power mods. Are you sure you want to use the statement "any of them"???
I think it's obvious that we both agree the Pcar is ultimate weapon for the track. But a street car will never be as good as a true track car of equal or sometimes less value on the track. Never.
At the end of the day, I'll keep my MBZ for the street to cart the kids around and bruise a few egos from the light and I will always have a 1 or 2 Pcar's for the track.
