treynor

I found the other thread regarding S65 vs Gallardo, and while there was a lot of talk there was relatively little data. So... here's a '05 Gallardo e-drive on the dragstrip running consistent 12.4 @ 116. Unfortunately, he's lined up with... me

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...01553009276335

For what it's worth, the stock S65 ran 11.8 @ 121, while on RENNtech and drag radials it ran consistent 11.4 @ 122 with a best of 11.29 @ 123 on that same evening. I have a video of that, too

Conclusion, based on actual data: the Gallardo is not a match, either in a 1/4 or from a roll, from a stock S65.

L8Apex

Very nice. That thing is quick!

I must say, seeing your old S600 smoking sports cars was a little more entertaining.

TopGun32

where is that Lambo dude..? we have not heard from him in a while.

Improviz

He crapped out once he saw the video and S65 test times. He was trying to argue that the S65 was far, far slower than the SL65, and when the data came in showing he was full of it, poof! he left.

allanlambo

Only in your dreams did I leave.

Here is video for you magazine warriors of what a well driven 06 Gallardo will do. This is against an 06 Murcielago Egear. Magazines put the Murcielago as 121-124mph car in the 1/4. Now you may say that my car is modded, I do have exhaust and filters, BUT, the Murcielago was also running a stock Gallardo SE Egear, and the stock Gallardo could edge it out also.
1st gear roll on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OpBzcgwsZc

2nd gear roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT35Gzarh2c

Zlicious

Allan, don't waste your time with this guy. He really is clueless as he proved that to me in his last posts towards me in the thread I started.

Sweet car man, I saw some of these vids on the Lambo forums and your car sounds fabulous..

ldangeli

Shh. Don't personally attack or insult him, you'll get banned by his friend.

ldangeli

Allan, I would complain that he is personally attacking you. I would take that statement as an insult.

Improviz

So why didn't you show up and run Lexani in his CL65? I know you visited this forum after he posted his challenge; did you not happen to read it? Here it is:
https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....4&postcount=32

Here's your big chance: care to make good? I'm betting your modded Gallardo won't hang with a stock CL65....let's see what you've got.

Did you happen to watch the video at the beginning of this thread, dude? This debate is over; Lambo got beaten, soundly.

And it is rather amusing to see you, who called me all sorts of names and accused me of posting nonsense when I posted video of a) an S65 killing an M5, and b) an M5 beating a Gallardo, which by simple logic shows that if the S65 kills the M5, and the M5 ties the Gallardo, then the S65 is faster, are now posting videos of a Gallardo versus a different car, and trying to use logic to demonstrate the therefore, the Gallardo is faster than the S65.

This is a bit on the hypocritical side, isn't it? I mean, it is astonishing: repeatedly, over the course of this debate, you have done this sort of thing: you do something, and then when I do it, you hurl insults and refuse to address the issues. You might try a bit of consistency, because this sort of behavior really isn't helping your credibility.

Now then, as to your videos: yawn....the only problem is that this all started in a thread comparing a STOCK Gallardo to a STOCK SL65. You keep trying to bring your MODDED Gallardo SE into the equation, but the thing is this:

1) Nobody, including you, has provided any proof that the car in the video was an SE;

2) Your car is modified.

So if you want to compare modded vs stock, it is irrelavant and outside the scope of this discussion.

We have videos now, and we have test data now for an S65, which you were arguing repeatedly was not as fast as an SL6, because I at that time hadn't found any road tests of the S65. Your argument was that because the S65 was a few hundred pounds heavier, no way, no how could it run as quick as an SL65, even though the newer S65 has more horsepower than the S65's we've looked at till now. I guess you didn't bother to read the following, a test of a 2006 S65, which I provided in the other post:

Here are the tests I produced for the SL65 from Euro mags:
SL65 AMG Test in ams 13/2004
Gewicht 2057 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,0 s
0 - 100 km/h 3,9 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,1 s
0 - 130 km/h 5,9 s
0 - 140 km/h 6,6 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,2 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,1 s
0 - 200 km/h 12,6 s
400 m, stehender Start 11,9 s (400m ~= 1/4 mile)

SL65 AMG Test in sport auto 09/2004
Gewicht 2049 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,3 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,3 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,6 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 7,1 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,8 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,5 s
0 - 200 km/h 13,1 s

SL65 AMG Supertest in sport auto 02/2005
Gewicht 2049 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,3 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,3 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,6 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 7,1 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,8 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,5 s
0 - 200 km/h 13,1 s

And last, but not least, Swedish Auto Motor und Sport's test of an S65 (and a Porsche GT3, and an Audi S4):
http://www.automotorsport.se/biltest...6/041606c.html
S65
AMG
50 km/h 1,93
100 km/h 4,28
150 km/h 7,91
200 km/h 13,22

Wow, it is a whopping 0.12 slower...unfortunately, the stock SL65s of which we've got video are all running in the 11.6 to 11.9 range. Which would put the S65s in the 11.7 to 12.0 range. Which is faster than a Gallardo. If you have any video, or road test, or anything showing a stock Gallardo running at or better than a 12.0, let's see it.

But why stop there? We can read what rogerv, the owner of the Gallardo in the video shown above, has to say about the matter; he, unlike you, has actually raced an S65, and he, unlike you, owns *both* an S65 and a Gallardo:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...01553009276335

https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....1&postcount=35
We also have Ben Treynor, who owns an SL65 and who has run Gallardos, *and* S65s, *and* witnessed a Gallardo running an S65, saying the same thing. Ben, who has personally witnessed a STOCK S65 running at a 1/4 mile track and has it on video, said, flat out:
So here we have someone who backs up the argument I was making before, for which you ridiculed me: the S65 is within a tenth of the SL65, stock to stock. And he has it on video.

Where is your video of a stock Gallardo hitting high 11s, allen?

And when are you going to provide video of yours doing it? It's been a few weeks now; aren't there any drag strips in your area? We've got video of the S65; where's yours?

ldangeli

yawn. All of this noise coming from a guy who A. Has never driven anything more exotic than a porsche, B. can only troll the internet and post data that refutes all of the other data that was posted from other people checking the internet, and C. shouts and yells and stomps his feet like a 3 year old when anyone doesn't agree with him and says everyone is insulting him.

Reminds me of that movie with that fish, Nemo, when the birds are all clammering, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine.

Yawn, stretch, oh man, time to grow up, and put my big boy pants on.

Improviz

Here's a challenge for you: prove that I've never driven anything more exotic than a Porsche. Come on: prove it. Because if you can't, you've basically just violated yet another violation of the terms of use: making false and/or defamatory statements against another user.

As to making insults and ranting like a three-year old, well, the record speaks for itself: one of us was just banned for a week for making personal attacks and insults.

It wasn't me.

allanlambo

Thank you for my weekly entertainment. I love the fact that you will write a 4 page novel, quote every car magazine in the book to try and defend a car that you dont own.

As for the challange, first off, I was banned and didnt check the forum. Second off, when im in L.A. im out partying not getting up at the crack of dawn to go to Crystal Cove, and 3rd off, that is another MODIFIED Benz.

It might not have dawned on you, but I just brought my car back home to Scottsdale on Sunday, and on my list of priorities wasnt to run straight to the dragstrip to run my Gallardo to try and prove some internet dreamer in a 2001 Clk wrong.

ldangeli

Prove it, prove it.. Oh man, I don't have to prove anything, your current actions speak louder than any words that need to be said. Violated another violation of terms of use? Defamatory statements? Are you serious? Oh man, in lieu of getting banned again, you are a complete idiot, aren't you. There thats a violation. "The record speaks for itself". Banned - because you are a overly sensitive individual who doesn't have the ability to take criticism, but you'll sure dish it out, and goes crying to a moderator because someone "hurt my feelings".

Does it hurt carrying around that big giant head of yours? Just curious.

Improviz

So? How is that any different than your coming into a Mercedes forum and claiming to be able to beat the pants off of a car that you do not own?

Again: more inconsistency. One standard for you, another for me....doesn't work that way, allen.

Just as yours is, by your own admission, a MODIFIED GALLARDO, but that doesn't stop you from using it in a discussion about a STOCK S65 vs a STOCK Gallardo.

But it is in your plans, right? I mean, you've spent a great deal of your own time on this forum arguing how much faster your Lambo is than an S65, and that it's impossible, despite what car mags, time slips, people have have raced them, and people who own them both (unlike you) have to say, for an S65 to beat a Gallardo.

Well, we now have video, and the testimony of a guy who owns both, allen. What do we have from you?

In the few minutes it takes you to compose *one* of the dozens of posts you've spewed out on this subject, you could have run ten 1/4 mile runs.

Enough tough talk....let's see what you can do on a strip.

Improviz

First, you write:

First off, can you quote any of the insults I've made in this thread? I seem to have missed them...

Moving on: you certainly seem to think insults are a bad thing, yes? After all, you went to the trouble to claim I'm insulting people, which seems to be defined as "posting any data, video, or testimony with which ldangeli or allanlambo disagree". Which would seem to indicate that you, the upstanding net citizen that you are, think that insults are a bad thing, yes?

Hmm....and yet...and yet then, you go on to write the following:

Edit: ah, I see that you are now editing your posts to remove the insults that you made....why is that?

Hmm.....(scratching head): well, I'm puzzled here: I'm having trouble finding any insults from me in this thread, but I certainly haven't had any difficulty finding yours! "Do as I say, not as I do"....

Oh, and I also notice that you've got no proof of what I have, or have not, driven, surprise, surprise....not a huge one, though, given that you falsely claimed to have met me at one point, a total crock..

vraa

You guys all need to cool it.

We've got guys here claiming car Y runs XX.xx times and other guys claiming car X runs XX.xx times. However, all of you guys are urging each other on past the brink of a healthy discussion. None of you guys seem to be able to control your personal feelings towards other members and simply talk objectively. It's always something under the guise of some facts.

A civilized debate is possible, I'd think after talking to you guys the previous time you'd learn. As for now, this thread is closed. I'm keeping an eye on the active participants of this thread. Two of you guys have been banned, and a lot of you guys have been warned and/or banned as well. I highly suggest that yall earn some respect for each other. It'll help. Remember, keep things light hearted otherwise it's not fun for not just you guys to come here, but for everyone else that reads through the childish bickering.