ML63 vs. Corvette owner with a mullet
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Well i am sure it was risky when he broke the sound barrier....Could have hurt granny's ears
All this reminds me of this thread 2007 vs. 1967
All this reminds me of this thread 2007 vs. 1967
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Well i am sure it was risky when he broke the sound barrier....Could have hurt granny's ears
All this reminds me of this thread 2007 vs. 1967
All this reminds me of this thread 2007 vs. 1967
Try raising a familiy 18+ years, and then risking it all on one stupid race.
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You risk your familes life everytime you pull out of the driveway. Like i said before, there are many more fender benders, highway roll overs than a stupid 0-60 lane merge wipeouts.
And yes i have a child. I have had to hit the juice to get around other negligent drivers.... eating, talking on phones, drunk driving... I have also run into situation when you want to get around someone for the highway. One time my wife, son, and i got stuck behind a voyager that decided to get on the highway doing 25 mph.... You should have heard the tire screching and shoulder passes we encountered while the dumb ***** in front of us was in her own world... What was safer... exceeding the speed limit to pass her or get rearended by cars doing 70+mph?
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Once again it was a lane merge... Not a top speed highway run. I have seen more neglegence on highways when people are gabing on cell phones and not checking blindspots @ 80mph.
You risk your familes life everytime you pull out of the driveway. Like i said before, there are many more fender benders, highway roll overs than a stupid 0-60 lane merge wipeouts.
And yes i have a child. I have had to hit the juice to get around other negligent drivers.... eating, talking on phones, drunk driving... I have also run into situation when you want to get around someone for the highway. One time my wife, son, and i got stuck behind a voyager that decided to get on the highway doing 25 mph.... You should have heard the tire screching and shoulder passes we encountered while the dumb ***** in front of us was in her own world... What was safer... exceeding the speed limit to pass her or get rearended by cars doing 70+mph?
You risk your familes life everytime you pull out of the driveway. Like i said before, there are many more fender benders, highway roll overs than a stupid 0-60 lane merge wipeouts.
And yes i have a child. I have had to hit the juice to get around other negligent drivers.... eating, talking on phones, drunk driving... I have also run into situation when you want to get around someone for the highway. One time my wife, son, and i got stuck behind a voyager that decided to get on the highway doing 25 mph.... You should have heard the tire screching and shoulder passes we encountered while the dumb ***** in front of us was in her own world... What was safer... exceeding the speed limit to pass her or get rearended by cars doing 70+mph?
Again, I have nothing against racing as I do it myself but that's just it. MYSELF.
I'm sorry, I'm a bit lost can you reiterate once more for me exactly how everyone's stupidity/ignorance/negligence makes this scenairo less dangerous?
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I have run into little stoplight races with my son in the car. First, I do not go over posted limits, I just get up to speed quickly. I live in Virginia… it is like $1000 for 10 over. The guy in the ML wasn’t topping out his car. Do you honestly think that after the first hundred feet of the lane change he thought, well I think we will go 100mph? ML63 are fast but he did no more than 60mph…
So what are you going to do know… track my IP address and tell the feds? Are they going to take my child away?
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Pick your poison pal.... Stay behind or go ahead. After that instance I want to get on the highway first or get behind somebody thinking the same way. I know how to get on.
I have run into little stoplight races with my son in the car. First, I do not go over posted limits, I just get up to speed quickly. I live in Virginia… it is like $1000 for 10 over. The guy in the ML wasn’t topping out his car. Do you honestly think that after the first hundred feet of the lane change he thought, well I think we will go 100mph? ML63 are fast but he did no more than 60mph…
So what are you going to do know… track my IP address and tell the feds? Are they going to take my child away?
I have run into little stoplight races with my son in the car. First, I do not go over posted limits, I just get up to speed quickly. I live in Virginia… it is like $1000 for 10 over. The guy in the ML wasn’t topping out his car. Do you honestly think that after the first hundred feet of the lane change he thought, well I think we will go 100mph? ML63 are fast but he did no more than 60mph…
So what are you going to do know… track my IP address and tell the feds? Are they going to take my child away?
And no, I'm not going to run tell the feds, but if you ever get in an accident and your child is with you and you kill him, please come back here to this thread and say "but it was only a couple feet!"
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My position is irrelevant. I think street racing is bad, but even worse when you endanger your family. Too hard for you to understand? I'm not perfect, so I'm going to f'up, but I race at midnight and try to keep it as safe as possible-- far safer then bucklin' down your family for a run against the bozo next lane over.
And no, I'm not going to run tell the feds, but if you ever get in an accident and your child is with you and you kill him, please come back here to this thread and say "but it was only a couple feet!"
And no, I'm not going to run tell the feds, but if you ever get in an accident and your child is with you and you kill him, please come back here to this thread and say "but it was only a couple feet!"
And once again the guy had a small race.... no top speeds... no evasive measures.... just a slam on the throttle..
danger level = minimal... The only reason we started is because TopCarbon turned this into a fed investigation by comparing it to Bluemax... which is a completly diffrent senerio (i.e. speeds )
Lighten up people... read Challenge64 first post, it is harmless compared to some of the kills on here. Granted a clamity could have occured, but he could have also came on this site telling us about a drunk driver that came into his lane...
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Originally Posted by ApproachingZero
Granted a clamity could have occured, but he could have also came on this site telling us about a drunk driver that came into his lane...
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Im not that stupid. try stepping on the gas and getting to the posted speed limit on that road. 40 mph.
Do I want to embelish the story a little for the sake of some online humor? yes of course.
So yes you can call me all the names you want but the true of it is all I did is step on the gas when the light turned green. no more no less. 0-> 40 mph.
Did I speed? no. Did I race? thats up for you to debate.
Next time go get in your mercedes and step on the gas at a stop light and accelerate to the posted speed limit..think to yourself "Gee..I must be irresponsible".
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Well I now see TopCarbon is posting in Lambochat too about this.
Look. Ive spent years in both driving/racing schools & even more racing both in amatuer and professional series and think Im a pretty good judge of right and wrong.
So to your comment "When will then learn?"..sorry. Doesnt really apply here.
Let me tell the same story again..but without the "Kill Story" theme.
I was headed off to the zoo with the family. We were headed down 44th street (yes I see you too are in Arizona.) and we came to a red light. guy next to us to the right (corvette mullet and girlfriend) stopped too. hmm..they might be turning right...as his lane ends in a few hundred yards.
Light turns green. I step on to the gas. Accelerate to the speed limit. believe its 40 mph. look behind me. There is that same Corvette.
End of story. Not as exciting when I tell it this way now is it? Certainly not racing. I definately wasnt speeding. and imo not at all irresponsible.
Thoughts? opinions? or do you want to tell me in person at the Saturday Cars & Coffee?
Look. Ive spent years in both driving/racing schools & even more racing both in amatuer and professional series and think Im a pretty good judge of right and wrong.
So to your comment "When will then learn?"..sorry. Doesnt really apply here.
Let me tell the same story again..but without the "Kill Story" theme.
I was headed off to the zoo with the family. We were headed down 44th street (yes I see you too are in Arizona.) and we came to a red light. guy next to us to the right (corvette mullet and girlfriend) stopped too. hmm..they might be turning right...as his lane ends in a few hundred yards.
Light turns green. I step on to the gas. Accelerate to the speed limit. believe its 40 mph. look behind me. There is that same Corvette.
End of story. Not as exciting when I tell it this way now is it? Certainly not racing. I definately wasnt speeding. and imo not at all irresponsible.
Thoughts? opinions? or do you want to tell me in person at the Saturday Cars & Coffee?
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Well I now see TopCarbon is posting in Lambochat too about this.
Look. Ive spent years in both driving/racing schools & even more racing both in amatuer and professional series and think Im a pretty good judge of right and wrong.
So to your comment "When will then learn?"..sorry. Doesnt really apply here.
Let me tell the same story again..but without the "Kill Story" theme.
I was headed off to the zoo with the family. We were headed down 44th street (yes I see you too are in Arizona.) and we came to a red light. guy next to us to the right (corvette mullet and girlfriend) stopped too. hmm..they might be turning right...as his lane ends in a few hundred yards.
Light turns green. I step on to the gas. Accelerate to the speed limit. believe its 40 mph. look behind me. There is that same Corvette.
End of story. Not as exciting when I tell it this way now is it? Certainly not racing. I definately wasnt speeding. and imo not at all irresponsible.
Thoughts? opinions? or do you want to tell me in person at the Saturday Cars & Coffee?
Look. Ive spent years in both driving/racing schools & even more racing both in amatuer and professional series and think Im a pretty good judge of right and wrong.
So to your comment "When will then learn?"..sorry. Doesnt really apply here.
Let me tell the same story again..but without the "Kill Story" theme.
I was headed off to the zoo with the family. We were headed down 44th street (yes I see you too are in Arizona.) and we came to a red light. guy next to us to the right (corvette mullet and girlfriend) stopped too. hmm..they might be turning right...as his lane ends in a few hundred yards.
Light turns green. I step on to the gas. Accelerate to the speed limit. believe its 40 mph. look behind me. There is that same Corvette.
End of story. Not as exciting when I tell it this way now is it? Certainly not racing. I definately wasnt speeding. and imo not at all irresponsible.
Thoughts? opinions? or do you want to tell me in person at the Saturday Cars & Coffee?
So, Accelerating with family on board is irresponsible?
Racing when you are by urself is ok? If you weave in and out of traffic you endanger everyone around you, those with families have more to loose.
There is a distinction to be made between speed and dangerous driving
Otherwise you should advocate banning all "powerful cars" and limiting speed electronically.
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Well I now see TopCarbon is posting in Lambochat too about this.
Look. Ive spent years in both driving/racing schools & even more racing both in amatuer and professional series and think Im a pretty good judge of right and wrong.
So to your comment "When will then learn?"..sorry. Doesnt really apply here.
Let me tell the same story again..but without the "Kill Story" theme.
I was headed off to the zoo with the family. We were headed down 44th street (yes I see you too are in Arizona.) and we came to a red light. guy next to us to the right (corvette mullet and girlfriend) stopped too. hmm..they might be turning right...as his lane ends in a few hundred yards.
Light turns green. I step on to the gas. Accelerate to the speed limit. believe its 40 mph. look behind me. There is that same Corvette.
End of story. Not as exciting when I tell it this way now is it? Certainly not racing. I definately wasnt speeding. and imo not at all irresponsible.
Thoughts? opinions? or do you want to tell me in person at the Saturday Cars & Coffee?
Look. Ive spent years in both driving/racing schools & even more racing both in amatuer and professional series and think Im a pretty good judge of right and wrong.
So to your comment "When will then learn?"..sorry. Doesnt really apply here.
Let me tell the same story again..but without the "Kill Story" theme.
I was headed off to the zoo with the family. We were headed down 44th street (yes I see you too are in Arizona.) and we came to a red light. guy next to us to the right (corvette mullet and girlfriend) stopped too. hmm..they might be turning right...as his lane ends in a few hundred yards.
Light turns green. I step on to the gas. Accelerate to the speed limit. believe its 40 mph. look behind me. There is that same Corvette.
End of story. Not as exciting when I tell it this way now is it? Certainly not racing. I definately wasnt speeding. and imo not at all irresponsible.
Thoughts? opinions? or do you want to tell me in person at the Saturday Cars & Coffee?
See you on Saturday.
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I enjoyed the story, thank you.
There have been a few occassions where I've been challenged or some jerk cuts me off and tries to show he's superior to me and I'd be just about to flip the Nos switch when I'd look in the backseat and I'd realize I'm driving my little brother to grandma's house. And I'm even realizing more and more that if I have a girl in the car and even if speed and aggressive driving turns her on, its better off not to put her life at stake for a cheap thrill. Although Bluemax's event was a true tradgedy, I think that it has possibly in the long run saved some lives.
This story didn't seem like it was very dangerous or reckless, but still, I'd never ever drive like that with my family in the car.
There have been a few occassions where I've been challenged or some jerk cuts me off and tries to show he's superior to me and I'd be just about to flip the Nos switch when I'd look in the backseat and I'd realize I'm driving my little brother to grandma's house. And I'm even realizing more and more that if I have a girl in the car and even if speed and aggressive driving turns her on, its better off not to put her life at stake for a cheap thrill. Although Bluemax's event was a true tradgedy, I think that it has possibly in the long run saved some lives.
This story didn't seem like it was very dangerous or reckless, but still, I'd never ever drive like that with my family in the car.
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Think this is the right place for such a story...
But right after we got our ML63, we loaded up the family truckster and took off to the zoo.
As we headed there we pulled up to a stoplight and noticed that the middle lane (of 3 lanes) was now going to be a 2 lane road. So in typical Corvette fashion, a retard in a Corvette pulls up to my right. Hes not turning right....he plans to merge (in front of me) when the light turns green.
Now this Corvette guy is the typical sort...and I mean stereotype of all stereotypes. He's got the mullet and top is off. Hes got the music blaring and of course his woman next to him with fuzzy perm. Mind you this is 2007.
Light turns green. I floor it. He floors it. I win..by alot!!! I have no idea what year Corvette it was. It could be 1996..it could have been 2006. No idea. It could not have been better.
Wife, daughter, and grandma all go nuts next to me yelling in joy...It was all really funny.
But right after we got our ML63, we loaded up the family truckster and took off to the zoo.
As we headed there we pulled up to a stoplight and noticed that the middle lane (of 3 lanes) was now going to be a 2 lane road. So in typical Corvette fashion, a retard in a Corvette pulls up to my right. Hes not turning right....he plans to merge (in front of me) when the light turns green.
Now this Corvette guy is the typical sort...and I mean stereotype of all stereotypes. He's got the mullet and top is off. Hes got the music blaring and of course his woman next to him with fuzzy perm. Mind you this is 2007.
Light turns green. I floor it. He floors it. I win..by alot!!! I have no idea what year Corvette it was. It could be 1996..it could have been 2006. No idea. It could not have been better.
Wife, daughter, and grandma all go nuts next to me yelling in joy...It was all really funny.
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the danger of this situation is although the ML driver could be in complete control, you never know what the other driver will do, especially when provoked to keep accelerating.
i agree that you should avoid racing with family, because they should not suffer concequences of the decision of the driver. these risks are always present, but more prominent when racing and pride is on the line.
however, the nay sayers that continue to harass the original poster, there are no clear right and wrongs in this. it's all subjective. the only real clear answer is to remove human reasoning and decision making from all driving and have computers take us around. you got a power car. You take on the risk associated with it, as well as putting others around you in more harm. Insurance is higher for a reason on these cars....if accidents were purely by driver, there would be no premium differences on the type of car, just based on vehicle cost.
you can have your opinion, but i'm sure the main message from the tradegy is not to win internet arguments to back up one's opinion.
i agree that you should avoid racing with family, because they should not suffer concequences of the decision of the driver. these risks are always present, but more prominent when racing and pride is on the line.
however, the nay sayers that continue to harass the original poster, there are no clear right and wrongs in this. it's all subjective. the only real clear answer is to remove human reasoning and decision making from all driving and have computers take us around. you got a power car. You take on the risk associated with it, as well as putting others around you in more harm. Insurance is higher for a reason on these cars....if accidents were purely by driver, there would be no premium differences on the type of car, just based on vehicle cost.
you can have your opinion, but i'm sure the main message from the tradegy is not to win internet arguments to back up one's opinion.
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Let's stop the facade and get down to it...the real purpose of this contest of gladiators.
Politely signal to mullet-man or other instigator to pull over to a safe parking spot. Both drivers get out of the cars and shake hands as gentlemen. Each driver then proceeds to flop out his junk on the hood of one of the cars and see how the opposing driver measures up. End of contest, and there is a clear winner, with all lives spared.
For internet proof, instruct daughter or granny to snap a cell phone pic...and remember, no photoshopping!
Politely signal to mullet-man or other instigator to pull over to a safe parking spot. Both drivers get out of the cars and shake hands as gentlemen. Each driver then proceeds to flop out his junk on the hood of one of the cars and see how the opposing driver measures up. End of contest, and there is a clear winner, with all lives spared.
For internet proof, instruct daughter or granny to snap a cell phone pic...and remember, no photoshopping!
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Thanks for all the input. What I thought was an amusing story has turned out to be a bit more of a controversy.
In thinking about the "right" & "wrong" here youve all raised some points.
So where does that leave us?
That kinda leaves me with the impression some think it was wrong to simply mash the throttle.
I can't believe anyone out there would ever say its wrong/dangerous/irresponsible to ever press on the gas ( I can think of a dozen examples of when its safer to press on the gas...ie..turning onto a busy high speed blvd from a side street) For those in Scottsdale, try turning onto North Pima without giving it full throttle.
I think that people are reacting to the context of the story rather than the actual mechanics of simply stepping on the gas. Imo loading up the family in an ML63 and stepping on the gas can be just as safe as easying onto the gas slowly ...but throw in the notion of a Corvette that gets smoked by a MB "minivan" and people react.
So Im sorry to give the impression that Im blasting about town racing with grandma and child flopping about in the back in horror. That would be an irresponsible and stupid thing to do and certainly isnt what happened
In thinking about the "right" & "wrong" here youve all raised some points.
So where does that leave us?
That kinda leaves me with the impression some think it was wrong to simply mash the throttle.
I can't believe anyone out there would ever say its wrong/dangerous/irresponsible to ever press on the gas ( I can think of a dozen examples of when its safer to press on the gas...ie..turning onto a busy high speed blvd from a side street) For those in Scottsdale, try turning onto North Pima without giving it full throttle.
I think that people are reacting to the context of the story rather than the actual mechanics of simply stepping on the gas. Imo loading up the family in an ML63 and stepping on the gas can be just as safe as easying onto the gas slowly ...but throw in the notion of a Corvette that gets smoked by a MB "minivan" and people react.
So Im sorry to give the impression that Im blasting about town racing with grandma and child flopping about in the back in horror. That would be an irresponsible and stupid thing to do and certainly isnt what happened
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Don't take it personal bro. I knew the next person to post a kill was gonna get jumped. Sorry it had to happen to you.
My only question for you is, did you post this kill story knowing about the Bluemax story or maybe you had no idea about it?
Just curious.
My only question for you is, did you post this kill story knowing about the Bluemax story or maybe you had no idea about it?
Just curious.
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Kills on public roads are dangerous. To root somebody on after reporting they had their family in the car while racing is assinine.
You can put all the silly pictures you want to defend your position, it does not bother me.
A person died last week because of racing. you think thats cool?
You can put all the silly pictures you want to defend your position, it does not bother me.
A person died last week because of racing. you think thats cool?
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lol, you guys are funny. Why don't we just lobby to have all high powered cars be locked up in the first place? I mean, do any of us need any more than say, oh, 150hp in ANY car? Better yet, why don't we all just start wearing helmets and mouth pieces while we drive.
HEY, get over it. Dumber things happen everyday for us to have a hissy about this. Yes it's tragic what happened to the old guy in the Camaro. You can't prevent every accident, racing or not. You think the numbers for street racing are bad, try looking at the statistics for accidents that involve cell phone usage and other distractions.
HEY, get over it. Dumber things happen everyday for us to have a hissy about this. Yes it's tragic what happened to the old guy in the Camaro. You can't prevent every accident, racing or not. You think the numbers for street racing are bad, try looking at the statistics for accidents that involve cell phone usage and other distractions.
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Oh yeah because we all know that Corvette owners have mullets!
Just like all Mercedes owners are yuppy golfers that cheat on their wives while on business trips! You win by alot at 40mph?
Now I will not sit here and say I have never street raced because yes I have. Funny enough in Camaros and Corvettes and I don't have a mullet. Imagine that. With kids in my car? No. I am not one to judge you on how you conduct yourself with your family so carry on with your bad self at 40mph.
