What kinda swap do u have in your CRX? B16? B18? H22 if that could fit. the B16's seems pretty popular for that car.

How is the CRX more of a sports car then the C Coupe? (i'm not saying its a sports car or even really fast) but the C Coupe is definitly more of a Sports car the a HONDA let alone a CRX. Now since your CRX is modded how can you compare a modded economy car to a STOCK economy car? if you were to mod the C Coupe it would definitly be more of a sports car then the CRX. (Even though its alot of $$$ to mod the coupe thats not the issue). If you were to compare both cars in their stock form the C Coupe would win in every way. Mod the C Coupe and compare it to a stock CRX and of course the C Coupe will feel more like a sports car. You really can not compare a stock car VS. a modded car performace wise, since they are both economy cars.

Of course their are stock cars that will beat the C Coupe in stock form, but for the price not Tons as you said.

I am not one of the people that think the C Coupe is a sports car but it is more than a CRX, Stock which should be the only way they should be compared. Even a well modded C Coupe will be more of a sports car the the CRX. And i am sure the C Coupe has more HP and Toqure than your CRX even with your swap. Unless you have a Turbo.

 

I agree 100% that magazines are biased. Its pretty funny that you think they all somehow swear not to tell a lie before printing stuff in the magazines.

It may be hard for you to believe but, Since you dont think magazines would lie, why does mercedes call the C Coupe a Coupe, if you really think its a Hatchback? They must be lying! But you somehow think a small company such as any magazine manufactuer would not tell a lie, but a huge company like Mercedes-Benz would lie?

 

Actually, I agree with everything SoCal said. The testing numbers are accurate and I do not believe they would change these to help one manufacturer or another. I do however believe, as SoCal also does believe if you read it all, that the subjective decisions of the authors and editors ARE biased in some way. BMW tends to win everything, but that does not mean the the hard numbers are changed. It is just the opinions of the authors that are affected by money.

 

so why is it that almost all magizines have differernt resulsts for the same car? (almost all magizines posted different 0-60 and 1/4 times for the c coupe) which are you supose to belive?

 

There are many variables that can affect the results. These include the driver, the temperature, the tires, the road surface, the weight of the driver or amount of fuel in the tank. Also, the equipment on the car can affect the weight and whether or not it is an auto or manual.

I actually ran my car stock faster than all the magazines. But it was with a G-tech pro which can produce varied results. Their equipment is much more accurate.

BTW, I ran 6.8 0-60, 15.19 @ 95 mph. And this was before the pulley.

 

thats true, but the cars tested were all manuals, and they all seemed to have the same options. I dont know about teh gas though or driver weight. lol.

the times with your gtech are great stock. to bad that thing was not proven to be 100% accurate

what was the time with the pully?

 

Well guess I am ready for 0 to 60
HOLD ON

 

An example:

I think it was Gene Berg, or probably one of his kids, who was said to have commented "Congratulations, go brag to your friends you just beat a VW" when he lost.

He was talking about an aircooled Bug; point being, if you're in a Bug and you lose, so what? Everybody expects them to be slow...

I think all this talk is silly anyway. By the time the C230 and the CRX are done proving their worth, the kid on the $2500 GSXR has run away from both of you, parked his bike, and , um, "kissed" both your girlfriends...

 

Haha i just noticed SoCal Took C230k's signature... tsk tsk

 

This is a jumbled conversation lol. Here's my worthless 2 cents :p
I think that magazines are partly biased but not in numbers
I think that the C230k is about having a mercedes, not a blazing fast car. I mean if I wanted a fast car I would've spent a few k more on a Z but then I'd be driving a Nissan and Nissan's dont get girls :p J/k but yeah, it's all about the name IMO. It's a high class car for it's price and it comes with the MB badge which psychologically increases it's price and prestige. I'm not bashing the car at all, I'm just saying that people who buy a C230k want a classy car with a good name. Not the fastest car for the price.

Quick thing to add: I'm still in high school and when I got this car everyone talked about it. There are people at my school with more expensive cars but no one talks about them. I think if I got an Audi A4 instead, I doubt people would say much. It's got the MB name so it's a big deal. The image of having a "brand name" is powerful.

 

I borrowed the G-tech from a friend and I ran it one night with the pulley, but it wouldn't work right. It wouldn't stop timing. I haven't run it since then. I was eating up those expensive Michelins too much. I need to take it to a track to see what it can do, accurately. If that 6.8 0-60 was right, then I did good. I know I had a good launch, but I don't know if that time is possible. Hopefully I'll test it sometime in the future.

 

I bet he didn't know what he was doing either!!!! You took on an M5??? with the c230????

 

As many people here have said when defending their cars (usually not too well), sportiness is more than 0-60 numbers. My 13-year-old CRX's 8.2 time was competitive then. Here's a test: go to a local autox event, and see what cars are being used. Generally, they'll be crxes, miatas, boxters, and s2000s. Now, that's obviously partly because you can get them cheaply now, but that's also because they're great handling cars. If you don't know that, then you don't read enough. For example, in his review of the new Mini, Tony Swan of C&D used the crx as a benchmark for it. That's some pretty high praise, especially since the last crx was 1991 (ignoring the awful del Sol).

I won't bore you with what I've done to my crx, but since you asked about which swap (yes, the h22 fits, but if you want to turn your car at some point, forget about it!), I've got a zc in it. If you're unfamiliar with it, it was the engine that was available in the Si everywhere except NAmerica. Puts 130 hp at the flywheel. Decent enough for such a lightweight car (not to mention the other mods that increased it from there).

OK, stock to stock, yes, I would still say that the crx is more of a sportscar; I don't know why you wouldn't think so as well, unless you haven't had much seat time in a crx. IMHO, it's pretty obvious.

Ed Bergenholtz (sp?) has his crx in the 9s, I'd say that's pretty sporty. And even with an unlimited budget on mods for both, I'd still say that the crx is sportier. Unless you can chop off 6-800 lbs off the ccoupe, but why would you want to do that? The ccoupe has its purpose, why Frankenstein it so much that it loses some of its practicality? If you want to do that, buy a stock Boxter S or new Z; they'll still beat the pants off the ccoupe.

 

Yea, my neighbor has a 1970 Buick 455 Stage 1, dyno'd at around 400hp to the wheel (around 470). It needs better tires for sure, but if he doesn't spin too much, he'll smoke just about anything 30 years newer. But I sure wouldn't want to take a curve in that thing. Understeer from hell!

 

I thought the del sol once came with the h23 which was not that bad.

i actually have heard of a zc, pretty good things to. my frined has a j-spec engine in his MR-2 and that thing is fast, thats about it though. does not do anything else good.

i have never drivin a CRX but a cupple people i know have them and my good friend has a b16 in there which is pretty good in that car i must say. but i still do not agree with you that stock its more of a sports car then the Ccoupe. I actually asked my friend with the CRX the question and he said he thinks the Ccoupe is better stock than any CRX. (STOCK)

is he running 9's with nos? turbo? supercharger? is a a drag racer? is it tubed out? if someone wanted they could tub out a ccoupe add 2 turbos and use nos and its possible the car can run 9's if it was strickty a drag racer.

 

blackc230coupe, do you work for sony or something? Look at your sig

 

does anyone know the 0-60 times for a 2001 m5 and a 2001 dinan m5?

just wondering b/c a few days ago at a red light i saw a teen (probably driving his dad's car) peel out in a dinan m5 at a light (tires screaming)...that thing was FAST......i was with my friend in his beemer.....we tried to follow but the poor car couldnt keep up