CLK 63 BS vs Dodge Challenger SRT8 LOL!
08-06-2008, 02:25 PM
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does the Srt8 have launching issues like the GTO at the track or you guys have just as hard of time as us. bad launch = high 13s run vs good of high12s
08-07-2008, 07:10 PM
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Standard psi in the tires, 1/2 to 1/3 tank of gas, get the initial weight-transfer to the rear, then go WOT. It's pretty easy.
The quirks are heat soak (of course) but it's about 25-30hp for the SRT-8. The killer for those with short pit-to-staging-area distances (Sears Point) is the lousy 2-3 start-up shift. Low 13s still occur, but it kills the trap speed by about 3mph or more.
08-07-2008, 09:17 PM
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Once knowing the technique, even with worn F1s, 1.9 60fts are standard, so I guess the answer is no.
Standard psi in the tires, 1/2 to 1/3 tank of gas, get the initial weight-transfer to the rear, then go WOT. It's pretty easy.
The quirks are heat soak (of course) but it's about 25-30hp for the SRT-8. The killer for those with short pit-to-staging-area distances (Sears Point) is the lousy 2-3 start-up shift. Low 13s still occur, but it kills the trap speed by about 3mph or more.
Standard psi in the tires, 1/2 to 1/3 tank of gas, get the initial weight-transfer to the rear, then go WOT. It's pretty easy.
The quirks are heat soak (of course) but it's about 25-30hp for the SRT-8. The killer for those with short pit-to-staging-area distances (Sears Point) is the lousy 2-3 start-up shift. Low 13s still occur, but it kills the trap speed by about 3mph or more.
08-07-2008, 09:53 PM
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I'll make this one short and sweet, just like the races. I'm out last night (1:00am this morning actually) and pull up to a red light and what comes pulling up next to me but a brand new Black Challenger SRT8. You could tell the guy just got it and he was proud as hell, he probably thought he was going to get his first kill with it, looking over at me, staring me down. He gave me the nod and the universal "let's race" signal. It was on, I applied my foot to the brake and revved her up to her sweet spot, the light goes green and we were off...well I was anyways LOL! It was pretty bad, I ran up to about 70 and already had him by 8 cars. We pull up to the next light and the guy askes me "what in the heck kind of a Mercedes is that" and says he botched his launch and wanted to go again but from a roll-on. Knowing that this outcome was going to be even worse for him I kindly said yes and even let him give the 3 honks once we reached 45 mph. HONK, HONK.........HONK! Again it was never a race we ran up to 110 and I got him by 8-10 cars.
Poor guy, at the next stop light he told me he had just picked up the car that afternoon, the car was less than 24 hours new and it was already a loser. I guess he should have picked on a few Mustangs before trying me. It was a very cool looking car, it was the first one I have seen on the street and it appeared to be a very large car.
Poor guy, at the next stop light he told me he had just picked up the car that afternoon, the car was less than 24 hours new and it was already a loser. I guess he should have picked on a few Mustangs before trying me. It was a very cool looking car, it was the first one I have seen on the street and it appeared to be a very large car.
I call BS........
BS as in Black Series...nice kill!!!
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08-07-2008, 10:22 PM
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Maybe you know Wayland? You do any track events? He's been interested in a CLK63 BS but not if the break-in wasn't followed....
I'll be sure never to buy a car from someone who doesn't break it in following the owners manual. I think AMG knows what they're doing - what did they recommend?
Of course, maybe AMG recommends what Dodge does for the 6.1, occasional WOT the first 1000 miles, just not in 1st gear.
Too bad the guy 1. Didn't know what a CLK63 was and
2. Probably doesn't know how to properly race his car (not that it would have made more than a 2 CL difference, if that).
BTW, what all was done to get over 500whp to it?
I'll be sure never to buy a car from someone who doesn't break it in following the owners manual. I think AMG knows what they're doing - what did they recommend?
Of course, maybe AMG recommends what Dodge does for the 6.1, occasional WOT the first 1000 miles, just not in 1st gear.
Too bad the guy 1. Didn't know what a CLK63 was and
2. Probably doesn't know how to properly race his car (not that it would have made more than a 2 CL difference, if that).
BTW, what all was done to get over 500whp to it?
If you want to know what is done to my car click on the Black Series section of this forum and you can read the Sticky at the top, it's an entire thread with the build up of my car.
08-07-2008, 10:23 PM
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08-07-2008, 11:39 PM
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The wheels and tires are in, I just have to go pick them up from the shop, I am probally just going to wait and pick them up when they install my Nitrous, everything was ordered last week and it should all be there by tomorrow I was told, but you know how that goes, Monday or Tuesday is probably much more realistic.
08-07-2008, 11:49 PM
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The wheels and tires are in, I just have to go pick them up from the shop, I am probally just going to wait and pick them up when they install my Nitrous, everything was ordered last week and it should all be there by tomorrow I was told, but you know how that goes, Monday or Tuesday is probably much more realistic.
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Yeah Duece is right, not many people know how to handle or make their SRT-8's perform to their max. Like knowing tha the car at 70-80Degrees engine/oil temp produces best times. Also I broke in my Charger srt-8 hard and it actually is fast, When I was bone stock and low milage I took a roushe mustang with 420 hp at 36XX lbs. Compared to my rated 425 hp at 4180lbs. All the little things compare and With a tune/intake/tires and maybe some other minor mods there will be srt-8's that will run neck and neck with your 500whp BS.
Ive also seen stock srt8's dyno anywhere from 355whp to 395whp bone stock, there is lots of variation just like with the 03/04 cobras.
Ive also seen stock srt8's dyno anywhere from 355whp to 395whp bone stock, there is lots of variation just like with the 03/04 cobras.
03-19-2009, 06:03 PM
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I could buy a 2008 viper acr for cheaper then a Black series would cost. And it would eat the merc in any aspects of performance where including the look.
Not alot of cars can do that, mustangs cant. Either can a Camaro ss/ws6.
Maybe a 03/04 cobra, but they come force induced already. All depends, but the point of the story is.. not a lot of people know how to run their cars.
03-20-2009, 01:48 PM
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Nice Kill - I luv the question, "What kind of f-ing Mercedes is that???"
How many times do we AMG owners get that one? That is part of the fun. They see a sports sedan like the C-Klasse and figure it's easy meat cause they missed the subtle AMG badge on the **** or they saw it but had noooo idea what it meant, looool Luv it man.
I picked up one of my colleagues at the airport in my modded C32 AMG this week. She says, hey I used to have a C-klasse just like this. I said, oh really? which one was it? She replies, "C230". I say, "Oh, OK, well this one is a little different", lol.
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How many times do we AMG owners get that one? That is part of the fun. They see a sports sedan like the C-Klasse and figure it's easy meat cause they missed the subtle AMG badge on the **** or they saw it but had noooo idea what it meant, looool Luv it man.
I picked up one of my colleagues at the airport in my modded C32 AMG this week. She says, hey I used to have a C-klasse just like this. I said, oh really? which one was it? She replies, "C230". I say, "Oh, OK, well this one is a little different", lol.
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03-20-2009, 02:17 PM
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But seriously, any idiot can tell JRCart's CLK Black Series isn't one to f-around. If you so much as have any interest in cars, if even it's not MB, you'd have to know your not up against your grandpa's 500 SEL.
03-20-2009, 03:18 PM
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Nice Kill - I luv the question, "What kind of f-ing Mercedes is that???"
How many times do we AMG owners get that one? That is part of the fun. They see a sports sedan like the C-Klasse and figure it's easy meat cause they missed the subtle AMG badge on the **** or they saw it but had noooo idea what it meant, looool Luv it man.
I picked up one of my colleagues at the airport in my modded C32 AMG this week. She says, hey I used to have a C-klasse just like this. I said, oh really? which one was it? She replies, "C230". I say, "Oh, OK, well this one is a little different", lol.
Irish
How many times do we AMG owners get that one? That is part of the fun. They see a sports sedan like the C-Klasse and figure it's easy meat cause they missed the subtle AMG badge on the **** or they saw it but had noooo idea what it meant, looool Luv it man.
I picked up one of my colleagues at the airport in my modded C32 AMG this week. She says, hey I used to have a C-klasse just like this. I said, oh really? which one was it? She replies, "C230". I say, "Oh, OK, well this one is a little different", lol.
Irish
I was thinking about how cool it woudl be to have a C32, put the sport wheels on it, de-badge it, and put the C230 grill/upright star on it. I actually like the look of the C230, and I dont think too many people would expect it to be fast, even if they knew what to look for.
03-20-2009, 05:16 PM
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I'll never understand why someone would brag so much about beating a $40,000 car with one worth 6-8 times as much. If I was so fortunate to have a CLK63 Black I wouldn't even waste the gas.
I notice that you aren't bragging about running a ZR-1 or even a GTR or ZO6. Many, many, far less expensive cars would beat you worse than you beat the Challenger. Why even mention such a lame "race". Treat other enthusiast's with respect unless they dis' you.
I notice that you aren't bragging about running a ZR-1 or even a GTR or ZO6. Many, many, far less expensive cars would beat you worse than you beat the Challenger. Why even mention such a lame "race". Treat other enthusiast's with respect unless they dis' you.
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Yeah then thats how you run into the price range and what class your car is in right?
I could buy a 2008 viper acr for cheaper then a Black series would cost. And it would eat the merc in any aspects of performance where including the look.
Not alot of cars can do that, mustangs cant. Either can a Camaro ss/ws6.
Maybe a 03/04 cobra, but they come force induced already. All depends, but the point of the story is.. not a lot of people know how to run their cars.
I could buy a 2008 viper acr for cheaper then a Black series would cost. And it would eat the merc in any aspects of performance where including the look.
Not alot of cars can do that, mustangs cant. Either can a Camaro ss/ws6.
Maybe a 03/04 cobra, but they come force induced already. All depends, but the point of the story is.. not a lot of people know how to run their cars.
Does the ACR have heat/cooled/dynamic seats, auto climate control, NAV, bluetooth, Distronitc, pano, 4 doors, and partronic?
03-20-2009, 11:19 PM
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I'll never understand why someone would brag so much about beating a $40,000 car with one worth 6-8 times as much. If I was so fortunate to have a CLK63 Black I wouldn't even waste the gas.
I notice that you aren't bragging about running a ZR-1 or even a GTR or ZO6. Many, many, far less expensive cars would beat you worse than you beat the Challenger. Why even mention such a lame "race". Treat other enthusiast's with respect unless they dis' you.
I notice that you aren't bragging about running a ZR-1 or even a GTR or ZO6. Many, many, far less expensive cars would beat you worse than you beat the Challenger. Why even mention such a lame "race". Treat other enthusiast's with respect unless they dis' you.
). Plus you never know what someone has done as far as modding their cars. A CLK Black stock is not going to take a LOT of cars in a straight line, but his modded one narrows the field considerably.Your mentality is all about magazine races...real world racing can be quite different especially considering mods.
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Yeah Duece is right, not many people know how to handle or make their SRT-8's perform to their max. Like knowing tha the car at 70-80Degrees engine/oil temp produces best times. Also I broke in my Charger srt-8 hard and it actually is fast, When I was bone stock and low milage I took a roushe mustang with 420 hp at 36XX lbs. Compared to my rated 425 hp at 4180lbs. All the little things compare and With a tune/intake/tires and maybe some other minor mods there will be srt-8's that will run neck and neck with your 500whp BS.
Ive also seen stock srt8's dyno anywhere from 355whp to 395whp bone stock, there is lots of variation just like with the 03/04 cobras.
Ive also seen stock srt8's dyno anywhere from 355whp to 395whp bone stock, there is lots of variation just like with the 03/04 cobras.
Here is a Procharged SRT-8 pushing out over 550++WHP... and, according to the description, it barely runs times that rival a bone STOCK E55. 11.9?
And you want to compare a "slightly" modded SRT-8 to JRcart's modded Black Series that ran 11.0?
EDIT: After further research, I've found the FASTEST SRT-8 on the planet... a respectable 11.2, which is still not faster then the Black Series. So clearly, if not even the fastest SRT-8 on the planet can take out JRCart's Black Series, I'm pretty sure that no "lightly-modded" SRT-8 will do the trick. And yes, that SRT-8 is actually a "record-holder"...
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I'll never understand why someone would brag so much about beating a $40,000 car with one worth 6-8 times as much. If I was so fortunate to have a CLK63 Black I wouldn't even waste the gas.
I notice that you aren't bragging about running a ZR-1 or even a GTR or ZO6. Many, many, far less expensive cars would beat you worse than you beat the Challenger. Why even mention such a lame "race". Treat other enthusiast's with respect unless they dis' you.
I notice that you aren't bragging about running a ZR-1 or even a GTR or ZO6. Many, many, far less expensive cars would beat you worse than you beat the Challenger. Why even mention such a lame "race". Treat other enthusiast's with respect unless they dis' you.
And also in regards to SRT-8_Turbo as well, price? Please-- a ricer excuse if I ever heard one. Fact is, and I don't know how many times I've said this, if I really wanted the fastest car on the block, I can very easily pick up a 88' Civic hatchback, strip it, drop a beefed up B16 in there, a couple go-fast bottles of juice, and run 9s all the day at the track-- yes, that's faster then any stock Viper ACR, ZR1, Zonda, BS etc. etc.
And... best part? It'd be for but a FRACTION of the price of any of those.
With that said, I do like my vented seats, navigation, distronic and convertible top, thank you.
03-21-2009, 03:31 AM
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Minor mods on an SRT-8? Please... those things are slugs, and no K&N and exhaust system is going to change that.
Here is a Procharged SRT-8 pushing out over 550++WHP... and, according to the description, it barely runs times that rival a bone STOCK E55. 11.9?
And you want to compare a "slightly" modded SRT-8 to JRcart's modded Black Series that ran 11.0?
EDIT: After further research, I've found the FASTEST SRT-8 on the planet... a respectable 11.2, which is still not faster then the Black Series. So clearly, if not even the fastest SRT-8 on the planet can take out JRCart's Black Series, I'm pretty sure that no "lightly-modded" SRT-8 will do the trick. And yes, that SRT-8 is actually a "record-holder"...
Here is a Procharged SRT-8 pushing out over 550++WHP... and, according to the description, it barely runs times that rival a bone STOCK E55. 11.9?
And you want to compare a "slightly" modded SRT-8 to JRcart's modded Black Series that ran 11.0?
EDIT: After further research, I've found the FASTEST SRT-8 on the planet... a respectable 11.2, which is still not faster then the Black Series. So clearly, if not even the fastest SRT-8 on the planet can take out JRCart's Black Series, I'm pretty sure that no "lightly-modded" SRT-8 will do the trick. And yes, that SRT-8 is actually a "record-holder"...
Or I/E/dyno-tuned running 12s in the 113-114mph range giving pullied C32s a headache a slug, you're entitled to your opinion.
But it's your research that is lacking. 7 SRT-8s in the 10s, an eighth one trapping over 130mph:
http://www.lxforums.com/board/timeslips.php
Not bad considering they weigh 2-tons like FI AMGs but never came FI from the factory.
03-21-2009, 07:46 AM
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A GTR would not beat the JRCart's Black Series-- especially not in a rolling-start, and not stir up drama but I'm pretty sure a Z06 can't either. Regardless, even if he raced a Z06 and posted the story here lord knows it's going to start a fire. Yeah, I know... the car can't be beat.
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