Ferrari F360 vs SL65
01-26-2005, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bilal
http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen...rtikel_seite=1
"EV12 an trockenen Tagen in 4,5 Sekunden auf 100 km/h. Nur 16 Sekunden länger und Tempo 250 ist erreicht"
250km/hr = 155mph... so its 16 seconds to 155mph....
"EV12 an trockenen Tagen in 4,5 Sekunden auf 100 km/h. Nur 16 Sekunden länger und Tempo 250 ist erreicht"
250km/hr = 155mph... so its 16 seconds to 155mph....
"EV12 takes 4.5 seconds to 100 km/h, ANOTHER 16 seconds later & the speed of 250 is reached."
So it take 4.5 + 16 = 20.5 seconds to do 250km/h. Still pretty good.
01-26-2005, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DancingBenzos
thats 60 to 150 isnt it? or something around there.
01-26-2005, 04:34 PM
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My bad, forgot to translate. Thats still very unimpressive, considering the heavier less powerful CL65 does it in 19.8 total.. vs 20.5 of the EV12...
In last month's Mercedes enthusiast magazine, they tested the EV12 with a 2.65 ratio (same as AMG 65 cars) They said top speed with that was 199mph, when an SL65 with that same ratio was tested by AMS of Germany doing 210mph...
Then they said a 2.41 ratio allows 211mph....
The 0-100mph time for the EV12 was 8.9 with the 2.65 ratio and 40% lockup LSD that it has, while the heavier and less powerful SL65 does 0-100mph in 8.2 seconds!
Conclusion: EV12 not all it turns out to be...and my bad about the 0-155mph time.
In last month's Mercedes enthusiast magazine, they tested the EV12 with a 2.65 ratio (same as AMG 65 cars) They said top speed with that was 199mph, when an SL65 with that same ratio was tested by AMS of Germany doing 210mph...
Then they said a 2.41 ratio allows 211mph.... The 0-100mph time for the EV12 was 8.9 with the 2.65 ratio and 40% lockup LSD that it has, while the heavier and less powerful SL65 does 0-100mph in 8.2 seconds!
Conclusion: EV12 not all it turns out to be...and my bad about the 0-155mph time.
01-26-2005, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bilal
.....and my bad about the 0-155mph time.
Next time make sure that you got your translation correct before you get some of us here too excited!!!!!
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I'm just messing around with ya bro
You seem to have so much knowledge about the AMG cars and I figured if I can rile you up a bit, it would be funny
Either way, thanks for the info and clearing that up..
On a side note, u think an SL 65 with a Kleemann upgrade of approximately 750 hp (also lowered by about an inch or so) can push its top speed from 210 mph to between 215-220 mph? Or am I in la-la land over here?
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01-26-2005, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Moneypit
Im curious to know if anything was done to the transmission Ben. Im sure that you are aware Mercedes detuned that car because of the transmissions capablitites so Im wondering if anything was actually done to it or if your just hoping it lasts awhile. And did they void your warranty over this?
01-26-2005, 08:26 PM
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Thanks man, I appreciate it
Well, the problem with high speed is....you need downforce to prevent takeoff. Period. Mercedes makes its cars very aerodynamic, better fuel economy through reduced drag. The problem is, when the AMG boys get their hands on such cars and put 500bhp+ engines in them, you're going to get some serious speeds. At high speed, the most important thing is downforce. All of you who have driven such cars at high speed say how smooth these cars are, true. But that is a false sensation. That is only due to good suspension calibration: aerodynamic bodies; long gearing and good insulation. However, stability at that speed comes from downforce and reduced height of the car.
The ABC suspension system lowers the car at speed. However, being very aerodynamic, there is little downforce above speeds exceeding 170mph. The SLK5/C55/CLS55/CLK55 all have discreet spoilers to provide such downforce. However, the only real solution is too implement an airbrake or spoiler. The latter will make an SL look like a ricer, and the former will weigh 100kgs+ to implement...knowing Mercedes
The SL65's gearing and aerodynamic abilities allow it to do 210mph, the 19inch wheels also contributing. That is probably the absolute limit for the car as it has very little downforce at those speeds. Take the SLR for example. Due to AMG only having a 5 speed auto to use and to make maximum use of the torque multiplying effect of gearing, AMG made the engine rev to 7000rpm and implemented the C55's 3.06 final ratio. This only allows around 180-190mph in the 55K cars, but in the SLR it allows a higher speed due to increased engine speed that is available. The SLR weighing less than regular AMG's and having an airbrake for downforce can "only" do 208mph at the limit of its capabilities. McLaren did say in theory 220mph was possible without the airbrake but then it would take off or flip. The engine must fight against that airbrake, no doubt with more HP it could do a higher speed and still be in relatively decent control.
The SL65 has no such downforce features. The bodykit helps a bit but ultimately its down to ESP if the tyres lose grip in the curves. If you put more HP in the 65 it will takeoff or flip. Lowering may not be the best thing due to tyre rubbing and possible explosion due to intense heat buildup in the wheel wells due to the 2 tons and 200mph. So sorry for the long post but 750hp, in an SL65...not so clever. Make the speed electronically limited to 190mph or less and see how fast you can get there...that should be fun..
Well, the problem with high speed is....you need downforce to prevent takeoff. Period. Mercedes makes its cars very aerodynamic, better fuel economy through reduced drag. The problem is, when the AMG boys get their hands on such cars and put 500bhp+ engines in them, you're going to get some serious speeds. At high speed, the most important thing is downforce. All of you who have driven such cars at high speed say how smooth these cars are, true. But that is a false sensation. That is only due to good suspension calibration: aerodynamic bodies; long gearing and good insulation. However, stability at that speed comes from downforce and reduced height of the car.
The ABC suspension system lowers the car at speed. However, being very aerodynamic, there is little downforce above speeds exceeding 170mph. The SLK5/C55/CLS55/CLK55 all have discreet spoilers to provide such downforce. However, the only real solution is too implement an airbrake or spoiler. The latter will make an SL look like a ricer, and the former will weigh 100kgs+ to implement...knowing Mercedes
The SL65's gearing and aerodynamic abilities allow it to do 210mph, the 19inch wheels also contributing. That is probably the absolute limit for the car as it has very little downforce at those speeds. Take the SLR for example. Due to AMG only having a 5 speed auto to use and to make maximum use of the torque multiplying effect of gearing, AMG made the engine rev to 7000rpm and implemented the C55's 3.06 final ratio. This only allows around 180-190mph in the 55K cars, but in the SLR it allows a higher speed due to increased engine speed that is available. The SLR weighing less than regular AMG's and having an airbrake for downforce can "only" do 208mph at the limit of its capabilities. McLaren did say in theory 220mph was possible without the airbrake but then it would take off or flip. The engine must fight against that airbrake, no doubt with more HP it could do a higher speed and still be in relatively decent control.
The SL65 has no such downforce features. The bodykit helps a bit but ultimately its down to ESP if the tyres lose grip in the curves. If you put more HP in the 65 it will takeoff or flip. Lowering may not be the best thing due to tyre rubbing and possible explosion due to intense heat buildup in the wheel wells due to the 2 tons and 200mph. So sorry for the long post but 750hp, in an SL65...not so clever.
Make the speed electronically limited to 190mph or less and see how fast you can get there...that should be fun..
