Which grade of gas are you using?
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Re: Thats exactly why at WOT the knock sensors..
Originally posted by timdf
My 996 TT however because its turbo charged and thus at a much greater risk of detonation always gets 91 octane.
My 996 TT however because its turbo charged and thus at a much greater risk of detonation always gets 91 octane.
Kind of like the ML's ECU does when you use 87/89 or it's really hot.
(insert goofy smiley here)
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Oh NO!!!
my 996 TT is about to self detonate because I've been running it on 91 octane rather than 93 !!!!
Better go drain the tank and re-fill it with 93 right away - oops just remembered can't get 93 in California.
Better warn all the other TT drivers in California that their valve gear might be at risk due to low octane fuel ;-)
BTW
E-Klasse, what's with the K&N air filter mod ? Now that is a dangerous item to futz with - could be letting all sorts of over sized particles into the engine and could even be reducing your engines power ?
Not to mention inducting hot air from the engine compartment rather than cooler external stuff. I'm puzzled now as I can't see it in your pictures ?
Anyway, I've never really understood the attraction of K&N air cleaners, guess it complements the chrome wheels ;-)
Better go drain the tank and re-fill it with 93 right away - oops just remembered can't get 93 in California.
Better warn all the other TT drivers in California that their valve gear might be at risk due to low octane fuel ;-)
BTW
E-Klasse, what's with the K&N air filter mod ? Now that is a dangerous item to futz with - could be letting all sorts of over sized particles into the engine and could even be reducing your engines power ?
Not to mention inducting hot air from the engine compartment rather than cooler external stuff. I'm puzzled now as I can't see it in your pictures ?
Anyway, I've never really understood the attraction of K&N air cleaners, guess it complements the chrome wheels ;-)
Last edited by timdf; Jul 29, 2003 at 12:39 AM.
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What Grade of Gas ....???
Simple rule of thumb:
If you can afford a luxury car/truck, you SHOULD/MUST
afford the cents-differential...
Or, am I missing something????? Otherwise drive a truck/car
that uses lower octane ...
If you can afford a luxury car/truck, you SHOULD/MUST
afford the cents-differential...
Or, am I missing something????? Otherwise drive a truck/car
that uses lower octane ...
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The point of this thread, at least from my perspective,
is not about what grade of fuel makes most sense. Clearly anyone who afford $$$ for expensive SUV's or whatever won't be concerned about fuel costs etc.
Rather it's how ECU's work in general on ALL modern engines, not just ML's or Porsche.
Specifically how the knock sensors automatically adjust ignition timing to compensate for poor fuel quality, air, temp & pressure.
It's a mathematical fact that ECU's adjust timing for these reasons and there is no long term damage to the engine - even on hi compression engines - like my 996 TT which is recommended to use 93 but can only be fed 'poor quality' 91 octane here in California.
How different is that to running on ML on 89 instead of 91 or even 87 instead of 91 ?
All your doing is boosting the gas companies profits by using a higher octane than is strictly required :-)
Rather it's how ECU's work in general on ALL modern engines, not just ML's or Porsche.
Specifically how the knock sensors automatically adjust ignition timing to compensate for poor fuel quality, air, temp & pressure.
It's a mathematical fact that ECU's adjust timing for these reasons and there is no long term damage to the engine - even on hi compression engines - like my 996 TT which is recommended to use 93 but can only be fed 'poor quality' 91 octane here in California.
How different is that to running on ML on 89 instead of 91 or even 87 instead of 91 ?
All your doing is boosting the gas companies profits by using a higher octane than is strictly required :-)
Last edited by timdf; Jul 29, 2003 at 08:53 PM.
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Re: The point of this thread, at least from perspective,
Originally posted by timdf
like my 996 TT which is recommended to use 93 but can only be fed 'poor quality' 91 octane here in California.
like my 996 TT which is recommended to use 93 but can only be fed 'poor quality' 91 octane here in California.
www.76.com has a station locator but it's incomplete (more stations carry it than are listed).
For most street driving it doesn't really make sense to mix 91 and 100 to hit 93 but there is a noticeable difference at the track (+/- 5 mph at the end of long straights in addition to a lighter wallet), especially on hot days
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Hi Pete, Thanks for reminding me about the 100 octane..
However for street use etc I'm not going to run around to fill up on 100 octane to reach 93 octane etc - it's just not worth it for normal use.
On the track would be a different matter all together....
Going by some of the comments in this thread, because I can afford a 996 TT I must / should fill it up with the 'correct' grade ;-)
Poppy**** !!
On the track would be a different matter all together....
Going by some of the comments in this thread, because I can afford a 996 TT I must / should fill it up with the 'correct' grade ;-)
Poppy**** !!
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Re: Hi Pete, Thanks for reminding me about the 100 octane..
Originally posted by timdf
However for street use etc I'm not going to run around to fill up on 100 octane to reach 93 octane etc - it's just not worth it for normal use.
However for street use etc I'm not going to run around to fill up on 100 octane to reach 93 octane etc - it's just not worth it for normal use.
I did a few tanks using tuolene and achieved the same results but it turned out to be even more of a hassle considering the "toxic" nature of the stuff(rubber gloves, glasses), finding a paint supplier that would sell it (too many meth labs buying it up so they stopped stocking it), etc.
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Re: Oh NO!!!
Originally posted by timdf
BTW
E-Klasse, what's with the K&N air filter mod ? Now that is a dangerous item to futz with - could be letting all sorts of over sized particles into the engine and could even be reducing your engines power ?
Not to mention inducting hot air from the engine compartment rather than cooler external stuff. I'm puzzled now as I can't see it in your pictures ?
Anyway, I've never really understood the attraction of K&N air cleaners, guess it complements the chrome wheels ;-)
BTW
E-Klasse, what's with the K&N air filter mod ? Now that is a dangerous item to futz with - could be letting all sorts of over sized particles into the engine and could even be reducing your engines power ?
Not to mention inducting hot air from the engine compartment rather than cooler external stuff. I'm puzzled now as I can't see it in your pictures ?
Anyway, I've never really understood the attraction of K&N air cleaners, guess it complements the chrome wheels ;-)
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Re: Re: Oh NO!!!
Originally posted by E-Klasse
Your attempt at a personal attack is off the subject. I am sure that there is a discussion about K&N drop in filters elsewhere or are you just trying to change the subject.
Your attempt at a personal attack is off the subject. I am sure that there is a discussion about K&N drop in filters elsewhere or are you just trying to change the subject.
K&N filters are snake oil and indeed can allow large particles to pass into your engine.
They are indeed a threat to your engine at worst, or just another useless mod at best, while the octane issue isn't a threat to your engine. (insert lameass smiley here)
Last edited by Some Pete Guy; Jul 30, 2003 at 05:29 PM.
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Another country heard from...
Originally posted by Some Pete Guy
No, his question about the K&N goes directly to your credibilty, or lack thereof, with regards to your claims of valve damage with lower octane fuels.
K&N filters are snake oil and indeed can allow large particles to pass into your engine.
They are indeed a threat to your engine at worst, or just another useless mod at best, while the octane issue isn't a threat to your engine.
No, his question about the K&N goes directly to your credibilty, or lack thereof, with regards to your claims of valve damage with lower octane fuels.
K&N filters are snake oil and indeed can allow large particles to pass into your engine.
They are indeed a threat to your engine at worst, or just another useless mod at best, while the octane issue isn't a threat to your engine.
Wrong tread, once again. You are trying to divert the attention from engine destruction due using fuel that it was not designed for.
I have already said that it is your engine. If it makes you happy, go for it. You will just trade it in and it will be the next owners problem.
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Re: Another country heard from...
Originally posted by E-Klasse
Wrong tread, once again. You are trying to divert the attention from engine destruction due using fuel that it was not designed for.
I have already said that it is your engine. If it makes you happy, go for it. You will just trade it in and it will be the next owners problem.
Wrong tread, once again. You are trying to divert the attention from engine destruction due using fuel that it was not designed for.
I have already said that it is your engine. If it makes you happy, go for it. You will just trade it in and it will be the next owners problem.
How am I, or anyone, trying to "divert attention" when your silliness vis-a-vis octane is mentioned in each post?
"engine destruction" ROTFLMAO!
Please don't educate yourself on this topic.
Your replies are too funny to miss!
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Get a clue Petie
Pete, you havn't got a clue or an understanding, fundamental or otherwise. I find your posts pointless. I don't feel sorry for you because of your ignorance but for the next owner of your ML.
I can see how credible you are...
I can see how credible you are...
Last edited by E-Klasse; Jul 31, 2003 at 07:39 PM.
