Maybach Has no History whatsoever
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Maybach Has no History whatsoever
BMW has Bentely
Volkwagen has Rolls-Royce
but who the hell ever heard of Maybach before ? Why did Mercedes cheap out and not buy a car that has some "history" to it. People who
spend that much for car, would want a car that it has this cache attached to it.
If Mercedes doled out for the rights to the name Rolls-Royce or Bentely or some exclusive that, would be fitting its own 127 history of making cars.
what do you thinK?
Volkwagen has Rolls-Royce
but who the hell ever heard of Maybach before ? Why did Mercedes cheap out and not buy a car that has some "history" to it. People who
spend that much for car, would want a car that it has this cache attached to it.
If Mercedes doled out for the rights to the name Rolls-Royce or Bentely or some exclusive that, would be fitting its own 127 history of making cars.
what do you thinK?
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Maybach and Daimler worked together, starting during the American Civil War! Before Maybach split to form his own company they made enough advances in the development of the self-contained internal-combustion engine that Mercedes built their new museum at the site of that collaboration. Daimler never even met Benz!
In that sense, Maybach has a tremendous amount of historical significance to the Mercedes story. In any case, the glorious Maybach cars of the thirties are the ancestors of the 300SL gullwing, SLR and 65s more than any car from that period that bore the MB logo.
Maybach may have no history during your lifetime, but that's not history -- it's current events.
In that sense, Maybach has a tremendous amount of historical significance to the Mercedes story. In any case, the glorious Maybach cars of the thirties are the ancestors of the 300SL gullwing, SLR and 65s more than any car from that period that bore the MB logo.
Maybach may have no history during your lifetime, but that's not history -- it's current events.
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BMW has Bentely
Volkwagen has Rolls-Royce
but who the hell ever heard of Maybach before ? Why did Mercedes cheap out and not buy a car that has some "history" to it. People who
spend that much for car, would want a car that it has this cache attached to it.
If Mercedes doled out for the rights to the name Rolls-Royce or Bentely or some exclusive that, would be fitting its own 127 history of making cars.
what do you thinK?
Volkwagen has Rolls-Royce
but who the hell ever heard of Maybach before ? Why did Mercedes cheap out and not buy a car that has some "history" to it. People who
spend that much for car, would want a car that it has this cache attached to it.
If Mercedes doled out for the rights to the name Rolls-Royce or Bentely or some exclusive that, would be fitting its own 127 history of making cars.
what do you thinK?
Wilhelm Maybach and Gottlieb Daimler designed and engineered the first Mercedes. Maybach also designed engines for the Dutch company Spyker
It is true that Maybach is not really the sister brand of Mercedes, they were actually competitors (after Wlihelm Maybach set up his own car company). Daimler-Benz bought the rights to the Maybach brand in the 1960s.
Also, Daimler-Chrysler were very interested in acquiring Rolls-Royce, but Vickers (Rolls-Royce motor cars previous owner) made it clear very early that they would not sell Rolls-Royce to its greatest competitor (Mercedes-Benz)
I do have some personal problems with the Maybach myself. To me, the whole project seems superficial ....it really adds nothing whatsoever to the Mercedes-Benz marque.
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Maybach does have some history, albeit not much compared to Bentley or Rolls Royce. You aren't very likely to see many vintage Maybachs at Concours events, and if you do there is only one or two of them. But what marque do you suggest Merc use? The only one that comes to my mind is Duesenberg but that wouldn't have made sense compared to Maybach with which MB has an actual history with..
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Well, I know you were not asking me that question ..but I would suggest they used the Mercedes-Benz name ....there was no reason why the Mercedes brand was not able to compete with Rolls-Royce and Bentley -- the S class was always considered to be the nearest rival for the Bentley Turbo R/Arnage and Rolls-Royce Silver Spur/Silver Seraph.
I find it agitating that Daimler Chrysler are happy to move the Mercedes brand down market to compete against the VW Golf, but no longer consider the Mercedes name to be worthy of their top limousine -- the resulting Maybach has been a very disappointing marketing exercise.
I find it agitating that Daimler Chrysler are happy to move the Mercedes brand down market to compete against the VW Golf, but no longer consider the Mercedes name to be worthy of their top limousine -- the resulting Maybach has been a very disappointing marketing exercise.
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Well, I know you were not asking me that question ..but I would suggest they used the Mercedes-Benz name ....there was no reason why the Mercedes brand was not able to compete with Rolls-Royce and Bentley -- the S class was always considered to be the nearest rival for the Bentley Turbo R/Arnage and Rolls-Royce Silver Spur/Silver Seraph.
I find it agitating that Daimler Chrysler are happy to move the Mercedes brand down market to compete against the VW Golf, but no longer consider the Mercedes name to be worthy of their top limousine -- the resulting Maybach has been a very disappointing marketing exercise.
I find it agitating that Daimler Chrysler are happy to move the Mercedes brand down market to compete against the VW Golf, but no longer consider the Mercedes name to be worthy of their top limousine -- the resulting Maybach has been a very disappointing marketing exercise.
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OT, but just to mention, I would love to own a Phaeton. Great amount of car for the money (used). You can pick up a 2005 for under $45k.
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I find it agitating that Daimler Chrysler are happy to move the Mercedes brand down market to compete against the VW Golf, but no longer consider the Mercedes name to be worthy of their top limousine -- the resulting Maybach has been a very disappointing marketing exercise.
Mercedes has ALWAYS produced ittty bitty cars, even a rear engine model that looks a lot like a Beetle.
The E-class remains the taxicab of Germany, despite so many Americans fantasizing they're luxury cars.
And, they produce all those vans and trucks.
Whether they EVER saw themselves as a Rolls competitor is something you don't know. The 600 limos of the '60s perhaps.
They put the Pope in a G-Wagon.
I toured the Maybach showroom in Sindlefingen last July and it's a pretty luxury experience. Of course luxury isn't teddy bear hide. If you're in the market for one, you just have to go to this location. You'll be treated like a Shiek.
BTW, here's a picture of a 1920s Maybach Zeppelin I took last July at the Classic Center
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/atta...1&d=1163008821
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http://www.benzworld.org/forums/2015611-post15.html just realized this there is this same topic thread on the other forum peace
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http://www.benzworld.org/forums/2015611-post15.html just realized this there is this same topic thread on the other forum peace
That topic is totally different from this one. Face it, you got owned not only here, but on benzworld as well.
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just as an aside,
shouldn't it be the other way around - they're used as luxury taxicabs, as are 5-series' (which are also police cars in many countries)
agree with you regarding Merc vs RR though - Merc may have the technical advantages, but you can't beat a RR for sheer luxury, hence the resurrection of Maybach.
The E-class remains the taxicab of Germany, despite so many Americans fantasizing they're luxury cars.
agree with you regarding Merc vs RR though - Merc may have the technical advantages, but you can't beat a RR for sheer luxury, hence the resurrection of Maybach.
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Actually, the trim level of the fleet of Euro-cabs is anything but luxurious. There's no wood or leather to be seen, and none of the geegaws we assume are standard because they are in US E-class cars. No electric seat adjustments; no power windows for the most part.
Historically, cabs have been midsize Mercedes with four-cylinder diesels because they are reliable, cheap to operate and run for ever. Nobody has been hurt more by Mercedes quality problems than the taxi operators. On the other hand, many of the worst problems have been with options not fitted in these cabs, lessening the problem a little.
Historically, cabs have been midsize Mercedes with four-cylinder diesels because they are reliable, cheap to operate and run for ever. Nobody has been hurt more by Mercedes quality problems than the taxi operators. On the other hand, many of the worst problems have been with options not fitted in these cabs, lessening the problem a little.
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You obviously missed my avatar -- I have very good understanding of Mercedes-benz's history and the extensive product range -- the point I was making (and I thought it was pretty clear) was, why did DCX no longer feel the Mercedes marque was prestigious enough to take on RR and Bentley?
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Good points, but I have to disagree with you on some of them. While the S-class was Rolls-Royce and Bentley's nearest rival, it wasn't directly. RR and Bentley both have that uber-lux attachment to it, while the Merc is only lux, esp with models like the A and C-class bringing it down market (as you mentioned). For the ultimate in luxury, marketing-wise, Mercedes doesn't cut it, at least not by today's standards. I don't believe people would be willing to spend $300-400k on a Mercedes, much like people in the US don't want to spend $70-80k on a Volkswagen (Phaeton).
The Rolls-Royce Phantom VI however, was a different story. The old Phantom VI, from a technology point-of-view, might have been a dinosaur compared to just about everything else on the road, but they were completely hand built in London (not in Crewe like the production-line Royces) and were extraordinarily exclusive ....equivalent to more than twice the price of a Maybach 62 today --outrageous!.
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