Jeep SRT8 vs. Mercedes ML63 from a stop
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I look fwd to your future videos. I've really enjoyed this discussion.
How about switching drivers for some of the races? (seriously). I can't help but think that the start should have been better for the ML63 driver. Did both drivers rev up before? Also, could the window open/turbulence be a factor (doubt it)???
How about switching drivers for some of the races? (seriously). I can't help but think that the start should have been better for the ML63 driver. Did both drivers rev up before? Also, could the window open/turbulence be a factor (doubt it)???
P.s IS srt8 lighter than ML63?
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That's what's funny here, it's a SUV TRUCK! not really a performance vehicle, unless you heavily mod it w/say a future Supercharger application...
You say on one hand you don't care about the straight line perf, but rather interior, cargo area, but now you ask about finding tricks to enhance it's straight line??
Here's one....sell it and buy an SL65
You say on one hand you don't care about the straight line perf, but rather interior, cargo area, but now you ask about finding tricks to enhance it's straight line??
Here's one....sell it and buy an SL65
This is the problem with the internet. It's hard to have a decent thread for the exchange of information, as a lot of other people feel a need to defend their personal agendas. Have fun with your C6, but you don't see me coming into your thread and criticizing your car, your opinions, or your preferences.
In the future you may want to consider being careful about judging other people, OK?
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SRT8 pulled away by 2 car lengths in 1st 2.5 seconds. He was already 1/2 car length ahead after 1 sec. This doesn't fit.
Specs: SRT8 0-60 in 5.2 sec ML63 0-60 in 4.8-5.0 sec
I realize limitations of this data but, but to be so far off to 60mph in the video between both vehicles -- something is wrong!
This is a "failure to launch" by the ML63. Whether it is because starting in 2nd gear? or Driver was too slow off the mark? I don't know, but I think we need a better explanation.
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That's not what I said. I said I don't much care about "pissing contests" where people compare cars. Look at my posts and you'll see I care very much about performance. I came from an E55 wagon -- which was brutally quick and handled quite well for it's size. I had many doubts about changing over to the ML63. However, I've had reconstructive surgery on both knees. The surgery was NOT successful and it was too painful getting up and down/in and out of the E55. The ML63 is the best compromise for my love of interesting machinery, performance, and the "utilitarian" requirements of using as a daily driver AND not killing my knees.
This is the problem with the internet. It's hard to have a decent thread for the exchange of information, as a lot of other people feel a need to defend their personal agendas. Have fun with your C6, but you don't see me coming into your thread and criticizing your car, your opinions, or your preferences.
In the future you may want to consider being careful about judging other people, OK?
This is the problem with the internet. It's hard to have a decent thread for the exchange of information, as a lot of other people feel a need to defend their personal agendas. Have fun with your C6, but you don't see me coming into your thread and criticizing your car, your opinions, or your preferences.
In the future you may want to consider being careful about judging other people, OK?
Yes you did intimate in earlier posts, about not caring about perf/and that the current ml63 was more than enough perf for you..If you want/or carry on I'll go re-post them for ya
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a) this should be a sticky. It's a gas.
b) I do think it would be interesting to run the test switching rides.
c) If both cars were brake-torquing, it doesn't seem to make sense to say one launches hard and the other doesn't; that would seem to suggest that the ML revs drop after releasing the brake even though the accelerator is depressed; perhaps the electronic systems cut in to prevent wheelspin?
b) I do think it would be interesting to run the test switching rides.
c) If both cars were brake-torquing, it doesn't seem to make sense to say one launches hard and the other doesn't; that would seem to suggest that the ML revs drop after releasing the brake even though the accelerator is depressed; perhaps the electronic systems cut in to prevent wheelspin?
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SRT8 pulled away by 2 car lengths in 1st 2.5 seconds. He was already 1/2 car length ahead after 1 sec. This doesn't fit.
Specs: SRT8 0-60 in 5.2 sec ML63 0-60 in 4.8-5.0 sec
I realize limitations of this data but, but to be so far off to 60mph in the video between both vehicles -- something is wrong!
This is a "failure to launch" by the ML63. Whether it is because starting in 2nd gear? or Driver was too slow off the mark? I don't know, but I think we need a better explanation.
Specs: SRT8 0-60 in 5.2 sec ML63 0-60 in 4.8-5.0 sec
I realize limitations of this data but, but to be so far off to 60mph in the video between both vehicles -- something is wrong!
This is a "failure to launch" by the ML63. Whether it is because starting in 2nd gear? or Driver was too slow off the mark? I don't know, but I think we need a better explanation.
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The Jeep appeared to walk up a bit, and took off faster. If you watch another video on youtube: SRT8 vs RS4, the Jeep takes off split sec sooner (again). Perhaps same driver? (it was posted by same person as SRT8 vs ML63). But the Audi driver is right on it and takes it.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MTO23UQhZs
PS. I do not mean any disrespect to SRT8 or ML63 driver.. just trying to get my head around this (and not because of any ego thing... I just like to be able explain things when I see them....)
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I look fwd to your future videos. I've really enjoyed this discussion.
How about switching drivers for some of the races? (seriously). I can't help but think that the start should have been better for the ML63 driver. Did both drivers rev up before? Also, could the window open/turbulence be a factor (doubt it)???
How about switching drivers for some of the races? (seriously). I can't help but think that the start should have been better for the ML63 driver. Did both drivers rev up before? Also, could the window open/turbulence be a factor (doubt it)???
both drivers did rev up and were in first gear.
windows would have a minimal effect on a race
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p.s. i will post the link to our site in a sec. gotta respond to everyone first. this is to fun.
Edit: Here is the link to the thread i was informed about the ml63 thread. dont get butt hurt im talking a little smack its all in good fun, im a good sport trust me.
http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/s...1885#post21885
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SRT8 pulled away by 2 car lengths in 1st 2.5 seconds. He was already 1/2 car length ahead after 1 sec. This doesn't fit.
Specs: SRT8 0-60 in 5.2 sec ML63 0-60 in 4.8-5.0 sec
I realize limitations of this data but, but to be so far off to 60mph in the video between both vehicles -- something is wrong!
This is a "failure to launch" by the ML63. Whether it is because starting in 2nd gear? or Driver was too slow off the mark? I don't know, but I think we need a better explanation.
Specs: SRT8 0-60 in 5.2 sec ML63 0-60 in 4.8-5.0 sec
I realize limitations of this data but, but to be so far off to 60mph in the video between both vehicles -- something is wrong!
This is a "failure to launch" by the ML63. Whether it is because starting in 2nd gear? or Driver was too slow off the mark? I don't know, but I think we need a better explanation.
The 0-60 for srt8 grand cherokee posted at 5.2 is not true on our site guys are getting alot better than that stock average around 4.8
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Yes, agree, but that is too much of a difference. That's what I'd expect racing a minivan.... ahead by 2 car lengths after 2 secs...
The Jeep appeared to walk up a bit, and took off faster. If you watch another video on youtube: SRT8 vs RS4, the Jeep takes off split sec sooner (again). Perhaps same driver? (it was posted by same person as SRT8 vs ML63). But the Audi driver is right on it and takes it.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MTO23UQhZs
PS. I do not mean any disrespect to SRT8 or ML63 driver.. just trying to get my head around this (and not because of any ego thing... I just like to be able explain things when I see them....)
The Jeep appeared to walk up a bit, and took off faster. If you watch another video on youtube: SRT8 vs RS4, the Jeep takes off split sec sooner (again). Perhaps same driver? (it was posted by same person as SRT8 vs ML63). But the Audi driver is right on it and takes it.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MTO23UQhZs
PS. I do not mean any disrespect to SRT8 or ML63 driver.. just trying to get my head around this (and not because of any ego thing... I just like to be able explain things when I see them....)
we will switch drivers cuz it seems like a pretty big deal, which i agree with.
i will also try to match all conditions as close as possible: 2 people per car, same amount of gas in tank, same octane gas, traction off, one race with powerbrake, one race with no power brake, and obviously same altitude.
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I don't think the price issue is as meaningful in that context. Bentley Continental at $170ish is no slower than Azure at $340ish. Does the Azure owner think he was robbed? Its the whole experience, not just one element.
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yes that is the same driver in both cars! my car does walk a few inches because the brakes have a hard time holding back the power. the walking would matter in a close race but not in this instance.
we will switch drivers cuz it seems like a pretty big deal, which i agree with.
i will also try to match all conditions as close as possible: 2 people per car, same amount of gas in tank, same octane gas, traction off, one race with powerbrake, one race with no power brake, and obviously same altitude.
we will switch drivers cuz it seems like a pretty big deal, which i agree with.
i will also try to match all conditions as close as possible: 2 people per car, same amount of gas in tank, same octane gas, traction off, one race with powerbrake, one race with no power brake, and obviously same altitude.
BlackSRT8 = you are a good (smart) driver!
I agree with standardizing as you've suggested (as long as one of the drivers or passengers don't weight 450lbs). Can you detail how exactly you "powerbrake." Would this result in differences b/w the vehicles?
I also think you need to standardize whether these are driven in automatic mode versus a "manual" mode, etc. Perhaps try one in each mode?
Thank you very much -- I enjoy what you've started!!
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BlackSRT8 = you are a good (smart) driver!
I agree with standardizing as you've suggested (as long as one of the drivers or passengers don't weight 450lbs). Can you detail how exactly you "powerbrake." Would this result in differences b/w the vehicles?
I also think you need to standardize whether these are driven in automatic mode versus a "manual" mode, etc. Perhaps try one in each mode?
Thank you very much -- I enjoy what you've started!!
I agree with standardizing as you've suggested (as long as one of the drivers or passengers don't weight 450lbs). Can you detail how exactly you "powerbrake." Would this result in differences b/w the vehicles?
I also think you need to standardize whether these are driven in automatic mode versus a "manual" mode, etc. Perhaps try one in each mode?
Thank you very much -- I enjoy what you've started!!
both the drivers and passengers weight close to the same when combined so no worries.
Maybe even a run in the snow. to a reasonable speed of course. 100 mph in the snow is scary!
Oh yeah i forgot to add. the same buddy also has a G55 hopefully I'll get a chance to race that.
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ML63: 5,093 lbs
Jeep SRT8: 3,994 lbs but on jeep.com it claims 4800 lbs
Edit: just checked road and track.com 4805 lbs (seems more accurate haha)
pretty big difference actually. but the extra hp and torque should more than make up for it i thought.
*not official weight just what came up on google first for each search
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That can't be right for the SRT8. That's about what a mid size seden usually weighs
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theres all the explanation anyone needs, at lower speed when weight matters more the ml is slower, at top end weight isnt as important and the ml's power advantage comes through.
that is a huge difference in weight, i thought it was maybe 5-600lbs.
you might want to put the ml in dyno mode so the electronics dont interfere w/ the launch, but even then i still believe the srt is faster to 100-120
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I too am from the SRT site and am enjoying the back and fourth as well. I will say though, the actual curb weight for the SRT is 4850 lbs (a little over 200 lbs difference). The Jeep site is incorrect on the weight So there goes the theory that the ML63's weight slows it down 
Here is a good website for you to look over the competition
http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_srt8_specs.htm
The SRT WILL do 0-60 in under 5 secs (wet or dry).
Autoweek timed it at 4.7 secs
EDIT - I see you made the change
Here is a good website for you to look over the competition
http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_srt8_specs.htm
The SRT WILL do 0-60 in under 5 secs (wet or dry).
Autoweek timed it at 4.7 secs
EDIT - I see you made the change
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Damn...Settle down guy, you think I'm judging you??? EZ does it..Just goes to show, how your egos are to attached to a damn bucket of bolts, it's just another car off the assembly line guys, not your entire meaning of existence...sheesh...If your really into perf, and have trouble w/knees you should've purchased & modded a 2005-7 G55
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Hey guys... Just Checked out Edmunds.com for reference. According to them:
ML63
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 1.9
0 - 45 (sec): 3.2
0 - 60 (sec): 4.7
0 - 75 (sec): 6.9
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.3 @ 105.6
30 - 0 (ft): 29
60 - 0 (ft): 114
"Best launch used no brake torque -- just mash and go. Manual shifting difficult to predict to avoid rev limiter -- especially in 1st gear. Awesome engine blasts through first three gears instantly"
Jeep SRT8
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 2.0
0 - 45 (sec): 3.5
0 - 60 (sec): 5.2
0 - 75 (sec): 7.8
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.49 @ 102.24
30 - 0 (ft): 30.1
60 - 0 (ft): 120.0
"Best technique was simply leaving it in "Drive" with traction control off and launching with mild brake torquing."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Car and Driver tested the Jeep SRT8:
0-60: 4.5 sec
1/4 mile: 13.2@103
0-100: 12.0 sec.
The ML63 was tested last month by car and driver:
0-60: 4.6 sec
1/4 mile: 13.2 @107
0-100: 11.5 sec.
Clearly, the ML63 should be closer than that video shows, but I still believe the Jeep SRT8 launches a bit harder...
ML63
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 1.9
0 - 45 (sec): 3.2
0 - 60 (sec): 4.7
0 - 75 (sec): 6.9
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.3 @ 105.6
30 - 0 (ft): 29
60 - 0 (ft): 114
"Best launch used no brake torque -- just mash and go. Manual shifting difficult to predict to avoid rev limiter -- especially in 1st gear. Awesome engine blasts through first three gears instantly"
Jeep SRT8
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 2.0
0 - 45 (sec): 3.5
0 - 60 (sec): 5.2
0 - 75 (sec): 7.8
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.49 @ 102.24
30 - 0 (ft): 30.1
60 - 0 (ft): 120.0
"Best technique was simply leaving it in "Drive" with traction control off and launching with mild brake torquing."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Car and Driver tested the Jeep SRT8:
0-60: 4.5 sec
1/4 mile: 13.2@103
0-100: 12.0 sec.
The ML63 was tested last month by car and driver:
0-60: 4.6 sec
1/4 mile: 13.2 @107
0-100: 11.5 sec.
Clearly, the ML63 should be closer than that video shows, but I still believe the Jeep SRT8 launches a bit harder...
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Hey guys... Just Checked out Edmunds.com for reference. According to them:
ML63
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 1.9
0 - 45 (sec): 3.2
0 - 60 (sec): 4.7
0 - 75 (sec): 6.9
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.3 @ 105.6
30 - 0 (ft): 29
60 - 0 (ft): 114
"Best launch used no brake torque -- just mash and go. Manual shifting difficult to predict to avoid rev limiter -- especially in 1st gear. Awesome engine blasts through first three gears instantly"
Jeep SRT8
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 2.0
0 - 45 (sec): 3.5
0 - 60 (sec): 5.2
0 - 75 (sec): 7.8
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.49 @ 102.24
30 - 0 (ft): 30.1
60 - 0 (ft): 120.0
"Best technique was simply leaving it in "Drive" with traction control off and launching with mild brake torquing."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Car and Driver tested the Jeep SRT8:
0-60: 4.5 sec
1/4 mile: 13.2@103
0-100: 12.0 sec.
The ML63 was tested last month by car and driver:
0-60: 4.6 sec
1/4 mile: 13.2 @107
0-100: 11.5 sec.
Clearly, the ML63 should be closer than that video shows, but I still believe the Jeep SRT8 launches a bit harder...
ML63
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 1.9
0 - 45 (sec): 3.2
0 - 60 (sec): 4.7
0 - 75 (sec): 6.9
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.3 @ 105.6
30 - 0 (ft): 29
60 - 0 (ft): 114
"Best launch used no brake torque -- just mash and go. Manual shifting difficult to predict to avoid rev limiter -- especially in 1st gear. Awesome engine blasts through first three gears instantly"
Jeep SRT8
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 2.0
0 - 45 (sec): 3.5
0 - 60 (sec): 5.2
0 - 75 (sec): 7.8
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.49 @ 102.24
30 - 0 (ft): 30.1
60 - 0 (ft): 120.0
"Best technique was simply leaving it in "Drive" with traction control off and launching with mild brake torquing."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Car and Driver tested the Jeep SRT8:
0-60: 4.5 sec
1/4 mile: 13.2@103
0-100: 12.0 sec.
The ML63 was tested last month by car and driver:
0-60: 4.6 sec
1/4 mile: 13.2 @107
0-100: 11.5 sec.
Clearly, the ML63 should be closer than that video shows, but I still believe the Jeep SRT8 launches a bit harder...
It all makes sense now. That Jeep is one heck of a car.
