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2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
SERENITY NOW!!!
This morning, after driving on the factory supplied 18” MOE or “run flat” tires for 230 miles, I took my new 2018 S560 sedan into the dealer and had Bridgestone Turanza “Serenity Plus” conventional tires installed. This was negotiated as part of my lease deal. I had these same tires on my 2015 S550 and loved them.
I posted another thread saying how much better the new car with RFT rode, compared to my 2015 with the original RFT. Well, I’m sure the RFT technology has improved, but the difference in ride quality of the new car is noticeably better with the conventional tires and, as with the 2015, the tire noise factor is DAY AND NIGHT better. My overall conclusion is that the FL 2018 model has a more refined tuning of the Magic Body Control suspension and that when some wonderful conventional tires are fitted, the results are truly amazing.
I know that most most members here just stick with the RFT and I can’t blame you, as it is a pain carrying around the spare I keep in the trunk. But, if silence is golden to you and ride quality is everything, I strongly recommend dumping the run flats and putting a set of these amazing Bridgestones on. You’ll then experience the wonderful feeling of SERENITY NOW!
Streamliner, I have a question for you. Are those the R17 19" wheels on the S560? If so, what are the tire sizes you were able to put on? The DOG indicates they are 225/40R19 (front) and 245/35R19 (rear) for what the vehicle comes with. Was that right? And did you replace with these same sizes?
The reason I am asking is because my order has the same R17 wheels, as opposed to the 11R default. And the DOG indicates the 11R gets 245/45R19 (front) and 275/40R19 (rear), which are not only wider, but also have a thicker sidewall. I was wondering whether this makes a fundamental difference in handling, comfort etc.
BTW, R17 is a no-cost option in the US, but it is 1000+ euro option in Germany (or elsewhere in Europe for that matter). The defaults are still the same 11R though. For this reason alone, I still somewhat feel OK with my choice, but cannot stop wondering about the above.
Anything you will tell me will ease my mind. And thanks in advance for that.
At the beginning of his post he says he has the 18 inch wheels and they look it. Thats what I have too as the 18's will give a better quality ride than the larger ones although the larger wheels do look better. I too like a really good ride and I also run the Bridgestones, they were on the car when I got it as a certified car last summer.
My apologies, I missed that, as most of my attention went to the mesmerizing picture. If anyone can answer my question though, I would still appreciate it.
So the ones in the pic must be non-staggered 245/50R18 then? At least that is what the DOG has...
Insanity later when you are stuck on the side of the road changing a tire. I know it is not the same comparison but my W221 with Michelin AS3 tires sounded about the same as my W222 with the Michelin RFT MXM tires. I was and am running 19" wheels though so maybe that has something to do with it.
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Originally Posted by salamigs
Streamliner, I have a question for you. Are those the R17 19" wheels on the S560? If so, what are the tire sizes you were able to put on? The DOG indicates they are 225/40R19 (front) and 245/35R19 (rear) for what the vehicle comes with. Was that right? And did you replace with these same sizes?
The reason I am asking is because my order has the same R17 wheels, as opposed to the 11R default. And the DOG indicates the 11R gets 245/45R19 (front) and 275/40R19 (rear), which are not only wider, but also have a thicker sidewall. I was wondering whether this makes a fundamental difference in handling, comfort etc.
BTW, R17 is a no-cost option in the US, but it is 1000+ euro option in Germany (or elsewhere in Europe for that matter). The defaults are still the same 11R though. For this reason alone, I still somewhat feel OK with my choice, but cannot stop wondering about the above.
Anything you will tell me will ease my mind. And thanks in advance for that.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
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Originally Posted by superpop
Insanity later when you are stuck on the side of the road changing a tire. I know it is not the same comparison but my W221 with Michelin AS3 tires sounded about the same as my W222 with the Michelin RFT MXM tires. I was and am running 19" wheels though so maybe that has something to do with it.
I’ve posted this before, so apologies to those who have heard it:
Several years ago, I was driving home from L.A. to OC on the 405 freeway. It was about 6pm, but dark out. The traffic was heavy, but moving fast. I was in my Lexus LS400 driving in the fast lane when I hit an object. I didn’t see it, so could not avoid it. My left front tire, which was a fairly new Michelin, shredded. I somehow managed to get to the right shoulder and I phoned AAA. Before AAA got there, a Metro tow truck pulled up behind me with his light bar blazing. The driver opened my trunk, removed my full size, matching spare (thank YOU Lexus!), changed the wheel and I was home for dinner. If I had not had a spare, I would have been in for a ride in the tow truck, taking my car to who knows where, and would have had to deal with either taxis or a rental car, etc. I would not have made dinner, would have been very inconvenienced and thoroughly pissed off.
Having a spare—preferably a full size, matching spare, under the trunk floor, is a common sense safety measure. Take my story told above, put your wife and kids in the car and change the location from L.A. to Yellowstone for a family vacation. I don’t plan on changing a tire myself at the side of the road, I’ll wait for the tow truck. But DAMN! Let me have a frigging spare for him to change. RFT are one subject. Having a spare is related, but a whole different matter. Truly, the idiot at MB who decided that losing the spare was a good idea, IMHO, ought to be publicly flogged!
the difference in ride quality of the new car is noticeably better with the conventional tires and, as with the 2015, the tire noise factor is DAY AND NIGHT better. My overall conclusion is that the FL 2018 model has a more refined tuning of the Magic Body Control suspension and that when some wonderful conventional tires are fitted, the results are truly amazing.
It still blows my mind that Mercedes wanted to same money by removing the spare tire, in exchange for noise. These cars have always been touted by Mercedes and just about everyone on the super quiet ride, etc, and then they put run flats on, which takes away the ability to have true serenity.
2015 S550 Palladium/Deep Sea Blue, 2016 Tesla Model S 70D, 2015 Volvo XC70
Originally Posted by Jason B
It still blows my mind that Mercedes wanted to same money by removing the spare tire, in exchange for noise. These cars have always been touted by Mercedes and just about everyone on the super quiet ride, etc, and then they put run flats on, which takes away the ability to have true serenity.
My guess would be that saving weight and therefore improving MPG ratings might also be a factor.
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
And probably reducing the COGS.
All they need do is make the spare OPTIONAL. Give customers the option of a compact spare or a full size, matching allow spare. I'd happily pay $1,000.00 for that as an option on the S Class or even on my SL.
All they need do is make the spare OPTIONAL. Give customers the option of a compact spare or a full size, matching allow spare. I'd happily pay $1,000.00 for that as an option on the S Class or even on my SL.
Please don't get me wrong. I absolutely agree with you, I also don't get why there are a thousand options on this car. Pay to play - either pony up the money to get these cars loaded or go buy a CLA. I don't get how owners are this stingy for S class purchases.
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
Please don't get me wrong. I absolutely agree with you, I also don't get why there are a thousand options on this car. Pay to play - either pony up the money to get these cars loaded or go buy a CLA. I don't get how owners are this stingy for S class purchases.
Agreed. The new Genesis G90 got it right in that area. Order either the V6 or V8 model and virtually everything else is standard and the car has most everything a fairly loaded S Class would have.
2015 S550 Palladium/Deep Sea Blue, 2016 Tesla Model S 70D, 2015 Volvo XC70
Originally Posted by Streamliner
The new Genesis G90 got it right in that area. Order either the V6 or V8 model and virtually everything else is standard and the car has most everything a fairly loaded S Class would have.
While the G90 has alot of equipment standard, it is also notable for its LACK of choice in this class. Pick a trim and you then have only 7 exterior colors to choose from, 2 interior color schemes to choose from, and ZERO choice of wheels. I wouldn't call that progress overall, for this class of cars.
While the G90 has alot of equipment standard, it is also notable for its LACK of choice in this class. Pick a trim and you then have only 7 exterior colors to choose from, 2 interior color schemes to choose from, and ZERO choice of wheels. I wouldn't call that progress overall, for this class of cars.
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
I think genesis is doing us all a favor
I would very much agree with that. MB needs a little competition and some pushing along, just to keep them honest. In many ways, we can thank Lexus for kicking MB in the *** back in the 1990's. Without the competition, IMO the MB cars would not be as good as they are today. The Genesis brand is just getting off the ground, but I see a tremendous force behind the company. Give them a few years to get their act together and I truly believe they will be a brand to be reckoned with in the luxury car segment.
2015 S550 Palladium/Deep Sea Blue, 2016 Tesla Model S 70D, 2015 Volvo XC70
Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
I think genesis is doing us all a favor
If you mean by providing more competition to the industry, yes of course that is always good for the consumer.
If you mean that offering fewer choices in the G90 is a positive for buyers, there is one positive but overall for me less choice is very negative. The only positive imo is that less choice = lower costs and MSRP. But I'd rather have more choice, not less. The ONE wheel design they offer in ONE size for the G90 just may not be every buyer's cup of tea. Even in the W222, I wish there were more choice...I rate the best of the exterior and interior color choices and also wheel choices for me personally only a B+ or A- or so.
I used to have Bridgestone Potenza in my previous car ,albeit it had 20" inches the ride quality was better than any Jaguar to give you an idea , of course in Sport Mode things could change lol
Anyway, good to see you're satisfied with your ride quality and ride quality , comfort , noise is all what these are all about
Happy Driving
If you mean by providing more competition to the industry, yes of course that is always good for the consumer.
If you mean that offering fewer choices in the G90 is a positive for buyers, there is one positive but overall for me less choice is very negative. The only positive imo is that less choice = lower costs and MSRP. But I'd rather have more choice, not less. The ONE wheel design they offer in ONE size for the G90 just may not be every buyer's cup of tea. Even in the W222, I wish there were more choice...I rate the best of the exterior and interior color choices and also wheel choices for me personally only a B+ or A- or so.
To each their own as they say, but in your example, what's stopping you from buying an aftermarket rim? Personally, I much prefer MB Canada's approach to sales tactics. There are FAR fewer options here for any MB cars than there is in the US. I was turned off by Porsche lately as they give me a million different options when buying a car, and half the time I was asking "If I add option X, does that mean I have to wait for a custom order from Germany?". It gave me too many headaches so I abandoned Porsche.
Personally, I like the Genesis approach. KISS (keep it simple stupid) (not directed at you) principles are ones I subscribe to!
2015 S550 Palladium/Deep Sea Blue, 2016 Tesla Model S 70D, 2015 Volvo XC70
Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
To each their own as they say, but in your example, what's stopping you from buying an aftermarket rim? Personally, I much prefer MB Canada's approach to sales tactics. There are FAR fewer options here for any MB cars than there is in the US. I was turned off by Porsche lately as they give me a million different options when buying a car, and half the time I was asking "If I add option X, does that mean I have to wait for a custom order from Germany?". It gave me too many headaches so I abandoned Porsche.
Personally, I like the Genesis approach. KISS (keep it simple stupid) (not directed at you) principles are ones I subscribe to!
Nothing stops me from buying aftermarket rims, though it would be at added cost. But other things aren't so easy to change, if not made available as a choice by the OEM. What if I wanted a G90 but didn't care for a beige or black interior? There is no brown, or grey, for instance. My W222 is "deep sea blue" which I love, and I think it is great that I had that choice available from MB. I don't think it complicates the purchase process too much to have a choice of 17 interiors rather than 2. If a customer thinks a custom order is overly complicated, he can still simplify things by limiting himself to purchasing "off the lot".
Nothing stops me from buying aftermarket rims, though it would be at added cost. But other things aren't so easy to change, if not made available as a choice by the OEM. What if I wanted a G90 but didn't care for a beige or black interior? There is no brown, or grey, for instance. My W222 is "deep sea blue" which I love, and I think it is great that I had that choice available from MB. I don't think it complicates the purchase process too much to have a choice of 17 interiors rather than 2. If a customer thinks a custom order is overly complicated, he can still simplify things by limiting himself to purchasing "off the lot".
I don't think anyone is in disagreement that there should be basic level of options for a prospective buyer to choose from. Your comments about the G90 lacking a 'brown' interior is very valid, and in fact, that surprises me that they don't offer that one, too. I think offering a modicum of offerings for both exterior and interior color is fair. My comments/thoughts upthread are referring to the S class's myriad of options, and in the US you guys have it worse. That said, maybe I'll pick on the Lexus LS. Three packages (F sport, Executive, and one other, I forget), and that's it. That's a nice way to buy a car, I think.
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
I don't think anyone is in disagreement that there should be basic level of options for a prospective buyer to choose from. Your comments about the G90 lacking a 'brown' interior is very valid, and in fact, that surprises me that they don't offer that one, too. I think offering a modicum of offerings for both exterior and interior color is fair. My comments/thoughts upthread are referring to the S class's myriad of options, and in the US you guys have it worse. That said, maybe I'll pick on the Lexus LS. Three packages (F sport, Executive, and one other, I forget), and that's it. That's a nice way to buy a car, I think.Again, agree to disagree on this one!
Even though there was the Equus before it, with the launch of the Genesis brand and a new car like the G90 for 2017, can we cut these guys just a little bit of slack for not offering more color choices just YET? I drove the G90 on a two day, 200 mile extended test drive and I almost bought one. No, the car is not a W222 YET—but it is so damn close for something that has just been BORN and that costs almost HALF the price of a comparably equipped S Class, that if I were in charge of marketing for the W222, Id be WORRIED! Give Genesis a couple of more years. I’m sure there will be more colors, massage seats, a wood/leather steering wheel and a more sophisticated suspension. Sure the S Class is better, but the folks in Stuttgart have been refining it for just a FEW more years than the Koreans have. Let’s see what the G90 looks like by MY21. My guess is that it will be a firmly entrenched player in the luxury sedan segment.
03-05-2018, 09:49 PM
