Anybody with Kleeman S/C?
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Good to know that I'm not the only one with initial problems. No doubt Kleemann is a good product... (like I said in the first post, when it's working properly). I will be taking my car into my dealership to replace any suspect parts (MAF, O2 sensor, cats, tranny, diff, etc...) hence my car is still technically under the 4y/50k warranty.
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Originally posted by Lucas
Hank:
You don't understand what I am trying to explain you.
What I wrote was, even with new cars, nobody can say exactly what will precise come out of it.
Again, take 8 new C 320 ( the reason I always mention C 320, is because I have been involved in a full truck load a month of these cars for a whole year, so I know the 320 engine ) with the S/C installed, and you will see any thing from 320 HP - 354 HP at the flywheel.
To say that " used " cars do not get as much HP as a new is not fair, I read only about guys here at MBW with used cars and KLEEMANN S/C, and they all show nice numbers.
What I am trying to say between the lines, your car can have some easy fault, or you can spend $$$$$ on something you never will find.
Not 2 cars are the same, thats all.
Hank:
You don't understand what I am trying to explain you.
What I wrote was, even with new cars, nobody can say exactly what will precise come out of it.
Again, take 8 new C 320 ( the reason I always mention C 320, is because I have been involved in a full truck load a month of these cars for a whole year, so I know the 320 engine ) with the S/C installed, and you will see any thing from 320 HP - 354 HP at the flywheel.
To say that " used " cars do not get as much HP as a new is not fair, I read only about guys here at MBW with used cars and KLEEMANN S/C, and they all show nice numbers.
What I am trying to say between the lines, your car can have some easy fault, or you can spend $$$$$ on something you never will find.
Not 2 cars are the same, thats all.
so lucas, are you saying if mb give u a shiitty car that has 10% loss in hp and torque and what not... u are outta luck?! cuz u get a piece of junk and u can do nothing about it?!
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Originally posted by Lucas
The dyno messures the tranmision loss, and puts it on top of the RW curve, then there are 2 curves, 1 with RW HP and 1 on top with FW HP, European car manufactors use FW HP, so I have always done the same, no reason that's just the way it is.
On the 500 V8 I have seen all from 483 - 540 FW HP, it's just bad luck for me, that the lowest car I ever messured was my own, I tried all and spend really a lot of $$$$$$, nothing helps
So I know what I am talking about, I am living with it every day.
I assume your car feels exelent in power, the only things which doesn't feel good, is when you look at the dyno sheet, right ????
The dyno messures the tranmision loss, and puts it on top of the RW curve, then there are 2 curves, 1 with RW HP and 1 on top with FW HP, European car manufactors use FW HP, so I have always done the same, no reason that's just the way it is.
On the 500 V8 I have seen all from 483 - 540 FW HP, it's just bad luck for me, that the lowest car I ever messured was my own, I tried all and spend really a lot of $$$$$$, nothing helps
So I know what I am talking about, I am living with it every day.
I assume your car feels exelent in power, the only things which doesn't feel good, is when you look at the dyno sheet, right ????
damn 483-540 is a huge differencE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do we just simply jump off the bridge if this happens to one of us!?
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Originally posted by Todd1
I am a new CLK 430 owner and I was trained by Kleemann as one of their new SW distributors. I installed the Kleemann Kompressor on my personal higher mileage (46K) 1999 model. I did encounter some issues right after the system was installled. Brandon at Kleemann was very helpful in helping me with the diagnosis and solutions to my cars abnormal behavior. All I can add to this whole discussion is that every car is different. The installation and settings on my car were totally different from another car that we upgraded at the same time. After some minor changes including a new MAF, the car runs fantastic. All in all I feel that Kleemann makes an excellent product and I smile huge every time I mash the throttle.
FYI, I will be dyno testing my car this week and will post the data.
-Todd
I am a new CLK 430 owner and I was trained by Kleemann as one of their new SW distributors. I installed the Kleemann Kompressor on my personal higher mileage (46K) 1999 model. I did encounter some issues right after the system was installled. Brandon at Kleemann was very helpful in helping me with the diagnosis and solutions to my cars abnormal behavior. All I can add to this whole discussion is that every car is different. The installation and settings on my car were totally different from another car that we upgraded at the same time. After some minor changes including a new MAF, the car runs fantastic. All in all I feel that Kleemann makes an excellent product and I smile huge every time I mash the throttle.
FYI, I will be dyno testing my car this week and will post the data.
-Todd
So you're the one that Kleemann signed up as one of their new SW dist. Cory posted your company as one of their new dealers which i think is great! Glad to have you aboard with us!
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Originally posted by Lucas
No Hank, when the car works properly.
What has KLEEMANN to do with suspect sensors ???
No Hank, when the car works properly.
What has KLEEMANN to do with suspect sensors ???
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Tango :
I didn't mean MB in general have up to - 10 % power, I mean all engines, my lawn mover says 5 HP on the sticker, but is it really 4,5 or 4,4, who knows ????
It's all engines for boats, cars, bikes, lawn movers, chain saws, ect.ect. do you get the picture ?????.
Take 10 E 55, and you will see 10 different results, some over some under average, do the same with 10 chain saws and you will see the same.
Hank.
Just tell me the name of one technical product in the whole world, which never had a faliure. Not possible right.
50-60% of the work in a MB aut. dealer workshop in Germany, is warrenty work for the factory.
A brand new Rolex goes 3-4 minutes to fast a month.
The difference between good and bad products, is the people behind the product and their willingness to walk on their hands
to help you, and I can read they did not just leave you in the dust, they back the product up 100%.
I didn't mean MB in general have up to - 10 % power, I mean all engines, my lawn mover says 5 HP on the sticker, but is it really 4,5 or 4,4, who knows ????
It's all engines for boats, cars, bikes, lawn movers, chain saws, ect.ect. do you get the picture ?????.
Take 10 E 55, and you will see 10 different results, some over some under average, do the same with 10 chain saws and you will see the same.
Hank.
Just tell me the name of one technical product in the whole world, which never had a faliure. Not possible right.
50-60% of the work in a MB aut. dealer workshop in Germany, is warrenty work for the factory.
A brand new Rolex goes 3-4 minutes to fast a month.
The difference between good and bad products, is the people behind the product and their willingness to walk on their hands
to help you, and I can read they did not just leave you in the dust, they back the product up 100%.
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Lucas,
You are absolutely right about the deviations in engine power. One can only hope to get a car that actually meets the factory ratings. As for Kleemann quality control, I think their products have excellent build quality. Cars are highly engineered (as is the Kleemann SC) and one cannot expect every application to be trouble free. Fortunately for Hank, the Kleemann warranty should cover any defects with the SC unit. As for a Rolex... I have one of the most beautiful solid gold, gold face, gold dial Rolex Daytonas that I wear almost every day... it loses about 5 minutes a day and even more if I have the stopwatch functions running.... a small price to pay.
You are absolutely right about the deviations in engine power. One can only hope to get a car that actually meets the factory ratings. As for Kleemann quality control, I think their products have excellent build quality. Cars are highly engineered (as is the Kleemann SC) and one cannot expect every application to be trouble free. Fortunately for Hank, the Kleemann warranty should cover any defects with the SC unit. As for a Rolex... I have one of the most beautiful solid gold, gold face, gold dial Rolex Daytonas that I wear almost every day... it loses about 5 minutes a day and even more if I have the stopwatch functions running.... a small price to pay.
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Sleestack, to bad with your Rolex, mine looses 4 minutes a month,
my freinds gain 4, as you said they are wonderfull to look at and a previlegde to wear, so live with it or buy a Timex.
Your CLK must be one of the better, but again nobody really had any experience with the mix between KLEEMANN and MKB.
I hear from Japan, that a mix of KLEEMANN and BRABUS B11 kit is a real bad a$$
By the way I have to stop posting, I have to pack for Tokyo auto saloon, be back in a week.
my freinds gain 4, as you said they are wonderfull to look at and a previlegde to wear, so live with it or buy a Timex.
Your CLK must be one of the better, but again nobody really had any experience with the mix between KLEEMANN and MKB.
I hear from Japan, that a mix of KLEEMANN and BRABUS B11 kit is a real bad a$$
By the way I have to stop posting, I have to pack for Tokyo auto saloon, be back in a week.
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Yep, thank God for the warranty.. Otherwise I'd would have been assed out. I just wanted to know how many other Kleemann owners experienced similar problems. I, for one, would like to know simply because I experienced some problems. As well as being curious.
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Originally posted by Lucas
Sleestack, to bad with your Rolex, mine looses 4 minutes a month,
my freinds gain 4, as you said they are wonderfull to look at and a previlegde to wear, so live with it or buy a Timex.
Your CLK must be one of the better, but again nobody really had any experience with the mix between KLEEMANN and MKB.
I hear from Japan, that a mix of KLEEMANN and BRABUS B11 kit is a real bad a$$
By the way I have to stop posting, I have to pack for Tokyo auto saloon, be back in a week.
Sleestack, to bad with your Rolex, mine looses 4 minutes a month,
my freinds gain 4, as you said they are wonderfull to look at and a previlegde to wear, so live with it or buy a Timex.
Your CLK must be one of the better, but again nobody really had any experience with the mix between KLEEMANN and MKB.
I hear from Japan, that a mix of KLEEMANN and BRABUS B11 kit is a real bad a$$
By the way I have to stop posting, I have to pack for Tokyo auto saloon, be back in a week.
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Originally posted by Sleestack
The MKB parts really worked well with the Kleemann system having my 4.3 liter engine's output very close to that of a Kleemann 55... my current round of tuning should really push the barriers of Mercedes V-8 tuning... Kleemann 6.2 K... should be interesting.
The MKB parts really worked well with the Kleemann system having my 4.3 liter engine's output very close to that of a Kleemann 55... my current round of tuning should really push the barriers of Mercedes V-8 tuning... Kleemann 6.2 K... should be interesting.
Has MKB products treat you well? You've never experienced problems with them? No cracking, no nothing?
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It will be very interesting to see if that 6,2 can run at all.
The KLEEMANN S/C is not much help on a 6,2 L engine, it's way too small in capasity, so what is your / Vadims plan to feed that large engine with air. ???
The KLEEMANN S/C is not much help on a 6,2 L engine, it's way too small in capasity, so what is your / Vadims plan to feed that large engine with air. ???
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Originally posted by Lucas
It will be very interesting to see if that 6,2 can run at all.
The KLEEMANN S/C is not much help on a 6,2 L engine, it's way too small in capasity, so what is your / Vadims plan to feed that large engine with air. ???
It will be very interesting to see if that 6,2 can run at all.
The KLEEMANN S/C is not much help on a 6,2 L engine, it's way too small in capasity, so what is your / Vadims plan to feed that large engine with air. ???
that inspires me, too.
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Originally posted by JamE55
Hey Todd!
So you're the one that Kleemann signed up as one of their new SW dist. Cory posted your company as one of their new dealers which i think is great! Glad to have you aboard with us!
Hey Todd!
So you're the one that Kleemann signed up as one of their new SW dist. Cory posted your company as one of their new dealers which i think is great! Glad to have you aboard with us!
Last edited by Todd1; Jan 7, 2003 at 08:52 PM.
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Originally posted by Sleestack
The MKB parts really worked well with the Kleemann system having my 4.3 liter engine's output very close to that of a Kleemann 55... my current round of tuning should really push the barriers of Mercedes V-8 tuning... Kleemann 6.2 K... should be interesting.
The MKB parts really worked well with the Kleemann system having my 4.3 liter engine's output very close to that of a Kleemann 55... my current round of tuning should really push the barriers of Mercedes V-8 tuning... Kleemann 6.2 K... should be interesting.
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Originally posted by Shine
I'm listening, Sleestack did demo a good MKB & Kleemann mix.
that inspires me, too.
I'm listening, Sleestack did demo a good MKB & Kleemann mix.
that inspires me, too.
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Originally posted by Todd1
I have always held the MBZ in the highest regard. Now I not only truley love my car, but I know now that Mercedes is the best built and engineered car in the world.
I have always held the MBZ in the highest regard. Now I not only truley love my car, but I know now that Mercedes is the best built and engineered car in the world.
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Originally posted by Lucas
It will be very interesting to see if that 6,2 can run at all.
The KLEEMANN S/C is not much help on a 6,2 L engine, it's way too small in capasity, so what is your / Vadims plan to feed that large engine with air. ???
It will be very interesting to see if that 6,2 can run at all.
The KLEEMANN S/C is not much help on a 6,2 L engine, it's way too small in capasity, so what is your / Vadims plan to feed that large engine with air. ???
Have you actually tried to fit a Kleemann SC on a 6.2 liter V-8? A 6.2 liter only has about 13% more displacement than a 5.5 so how is it that the Kleemann SC is "way too small in capacity" for a 6.2. You may be right, but I'm just wondering how you came to that conclusion.
