kleemann or hps?
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As you can see from Sleestacks posts a clk55k does 12.415 in 1/4 time and you're saying that a W211 55 will outperform a na 55 engine?
.............I just saw the post. Even at that, it shows that the CLK55K is a tad slower to reach the quatermile compared to w21E55. (12.42 vs 12.4). Even you decide that the numbers are the same, the biggest suprise to most is how damn fast the E55 is. Because ordinarily, you would not have even thought that a stock E55 can do that. Then if you consider the difference in price, the E55 becomes an even better bargain. Yes the CLK55K "feels" faster but it is not faster. With the E55, you can be going very fast but not feel it. I don't neccessarily prefer this, but the car is damn fast.
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.............I just saw the post. Even at that, it shows that the CLK55K is a tad slower to reach the quatermile compared to w21E55. (12.42 vs 12.4). Even you decide that the numbers are the same, the biggest suprise to most is how damn fast the E55 is. Because ordinarily, you would not have even thought that a stock E55 can do that. Then if you consider the difference in price, the E55 becomes an even better bargain. Yes the CLK55K "feels" faster but it is not faster. With the E55, you can be going very fast but not feel it. I don't neccessarily prefer this, but the car is damn fast.
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Originally posted by Ted Baldwin
Even you decide that the numbers are the same, the biggest suprise to most is how damn fast the E55 is.
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Even you decide that the numbers are the same, the biggest suprise to most is how damn fast the E55 is.
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Originally posted by moedigga
HPS= 8000.00 installed. Benzmac quoted me 16500.00 installed for Kleeman. So how are my prices off?-MOE
HPS= 8000.00 installed. Benzmac quoted me 16500.00 installed for Kleeman. So how are my prices off?-MOE
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Originally posted by Ted Baldwin
As you can see from Sleestacks posts a clk55k does 12.415 in 1/4 time and you're saying that a W211 55 will outperform a na 55 engine?
.............I just saw the post. Even at that, it shows that the CLK55K is a tad slower to reach the quatermile compared to w21E55. (12.42 vs 12.4). Even you decide that the numbers are the same, the biggest suprise to most is how damn fast the E55 is. Because ordinarily, you would not have even thought that a stock E55 can do that. Then if you consider the difference in price, the E55 becomes an even better bargain. Yes the CLK55K "feels" faster but it is not faster. With the E55, you can be going very fast but not feel it. I don't neccessarily prefer this, but the car is damn fast.
Ted
As you can see from Sleestacks posts a clk55k does 12.415 in 1/4 time and you're saying that a W211 55 will outperform a na 55 engine?
.............I just saw the post. Even at that, it shows that the CLK55K is a tad slower to reach the quatermile compared to w21E55. (12.42 vs 12.4). Even you decide that the numbers are the same, the biggest suprise to most is how damn fast the E55 is. Because ordinarily, you would not have even thought that a stock E55 can do that. Then if you consider the difference in price, the E55 becomes an even better bargain. Yes the CLK55K "feels" faster but it is not faster. With the E55, you can be going very fast but not feel it. I don't neccessarily prefer this, but the car is damn fast.
Ted
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Originally posted by Hank
Based on theoreticals?
Based on theoreticals?
Are you still stuck driving a 6 banger?
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Sorry even though i find this hard to believe guess it just depends on the driver of each car.
Sorry even though i find this hard to believe guess it just depends on the driver of each car.
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Originally posted by Sleestack
Notice I used the future tense... and yes, for the time being (although not for long), based on assumptions (I don't think theoreticals is even a noun). I think the assumptions are pretty sound... bigger engine, better parts, bigger displacement supercharger, lighter overall weight, stiffer chassis, custom suspension, wider wheels and tuned ECU.
Are you still stuck driving a 6 banger?
Notice I used the future tense... and yes, for the time being (although not for long), based on assumptions (I don't think theoreticals is even a noun). I think the assumptions are pretty sound... bigger engine, better parts, bigger displacement supercharger, lighter overall weight, stiffer chassis, custom suspension, wider wheels and tuned ECU.
Are you still stuck driving a 6 banger?
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Each should be happy with whatever he or she chosed and not to say other's are not good as his or hers. Seriously, your own opinion is more important than others' about your own car. You are happy with Kleenman, good, you are happy with HPS, good. They are two different companies with different ideas on what is best for performance. You choose whatever you think is best for your need and there is no rifght or wrong of what you did. To me, it's more or less comparing an red apple with a green apple. Whatever you choose, happy motioring and drive safely. Power came with responisibilites.
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Originally posted by pocholin
Well remember, James Cannon is running a N/A E55 with a renntech s/c and it runs faster than the W211 E55, so it is possible.
Well remember, James Cannon is running a N/A E55 with a renntech s/c and it runs faster than the W211 E55, so it is possible.
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..........I imagine that if you put an F-16 engine in your Na AMG55 it will probably fly. Everything is possible if you have the money. My point is that at only $76K, the new W211 E55 is a bargain and outperforms pretty much everything out there except the most extreme machines such as Sleestacks upcoming car. But by the time you get your car to the level of a W211 E55 or better, you would have spent a small fortune.
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Originally posted by Ted Baldwin
..........I imagine that if you put an F-16 engine in your Na AMG55 it will probably fly. Everything is possible if you have the money. My point is that at only $76K, the new W211 E55 is a bargain and outperforms pretty much everything out there except the most extreme machines such as Sleestacks upcoming car. But by the time you get your car to the level of a W211 E55 or better, you would have spent a small fortune.
Ted
..........I imagine that if you put an F-16 engine in your Na AMG55 it will probably fly. Everything is possible if you have the money. My point is that at only $76K, the new W211 E55 is a bargain and outperforms pretty much everything out there except the most extreme machines such as Sleestacks upcoming car. But by the time you get your car to the level of a W211 E55 or better, you would have spent a small fortune.
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Originally posted by Ted Baldwin
..........I imagine that if you put an F-16 engine in your Na AMG55 it will probably fly. Everything is possible if you have the money. My point is that at only $76K, the new W211 E55 is a bargain and outperforms pretty much everything out there except the most extreme machines such as Sleestacks upcoming car. But by the time you get your car to the level of a W211 E55 or better, you would have spent a small fortune.
Ted
..........I imagine that if you put an F-16 engine in your Na AMG55 it will probably fly. Everything is possible if you have the money. My point is that at only $76K, the new W211 E55 is a bargain and outperforms pretty much everything out there except the most extreme machines such as Sleestacks upcoming car. But by the time you get your car to the level of a W211 E55 or better, you would have spent a small fortune.
Ted
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Sleestack says:
They're both fast, expensive and great cars. The difference between 12.4 and 12.42 is a rounded number. They both have traction issues and could be helped by some wider rubber. In the end, they're both going to get spanked by my CLK.
Your car may be a straight line rocket, but after the first set of corners I will just wave bye, bye in my C43.
Jeff
They're both fast, expensive and great cars. The difference between 12.4 and 12.42 is a rounded number. They both have traction issues and could be helped by some wider rubber. In the end, they're both going to get spanked by my CLK.
Your car may be a straight line rocket, but after the first set of corners I will just wave bye, bye in my C43.
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Originally posted by speedybenz
Sleestack says:
They're both fast, expensive and great cars. The difference between 12.4 and 12.42 is a rounded number. They both have traction issues and could be helped by some wider rubber. In the end, they're both going to get spanked by my CLK.
Your car may be a straight line rocket, but after the first set of corners I will just wave bye, bye in my C43.
Jeff
Sleestack says:
They're both fast, expensive and great cars. The difference between 12.4 and 12.42 is a rounded number. They both have traction issues and could be helped by some wider rubber. In the end, they're both going to get spanked by my CLK.
Your car may be a straight line rocket, but after the first set of corners I will just wave bye, bye in my C43.
Jeff
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Originally posted by speedybenz
Sleestack says:
They're both fast, expensive and great cars. The difference between 12.4 and 12.42 is a rounded number. They both have traction issues and could be helped by some wider rubber. In the end, they're both going to get spanked by my CLK.
Your car may be a straight line rocket, but after the first set of corners I will just wave bye, bye in my C43.
Jeff
Sleestack says:
They're both fast, expensive and great cars. The difference between 12.4 and 12.42 is a rounded number. They both have traction issues and could be helped by some wider rubber. In the end, they're both going to get spanked by my CLK.
Your car may be a straight line rocket, but after the first set of corners I will just wave bye, bye in my C43.
Jeff
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Sleestack says;
Well 700 Hp is a lot of Hp but is will only be good for 1 sec or so at a track. So really not a hugh deal. My car already has all of chassis stuff that your wanting to add to yours plus more stuff. But no roll cage. I do have chassis stiffening bars. And I have the advantage of already driving mine.
I still will have a better chassis so make sure your helmet is strapped on tight when I come by.
Jeff
Maybe because you're a better driver but not because of your car. My car will have custom built coilovers and sway bars and a chromaly rollcage that will greatly improve the handling. Furthermore, it's going to be hard to over come 700 hp and 700 lb/ft torque.
I still will have a better chassis so make sure your helmet is strapped on tight when I come by.
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Originally posted by speedybenz
Sleestack says;
Well 700 Hp is a lot of Hp but is will only be good for 1 sec or so at a track. So really not a hugh deal. My car already has all of chassis stuff that your wanting to add to yours plus more stuff. But no roll cage. I do have chassis stiffening bars. And I have the advantage of already driving mine.
I still will have a better chassis so make sure your helmet is strapped on tight when I come by.
Jeff
Sleestack says;
Well 700 Hp is a lot of Hp but is will only be good for 1 sec or so at a track. So really not a hugh deal. My car already has all of chassis stuff that your wanting to add to yours plus more stuff. But no roll cage. I do have chassis stiffening bars. And I have the advantage of already driving mine.
I still will have a better chassis so make sure your helmet is strapped on tight when I come by.
Jeff
I don't live too far from Sacramentp, so if you would like to check out the CLK when it gets back, I'd be glad to meet up with you.
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I am sure your car is going to be top notch and it would be nice to hook up with you to see it.
But my suspesion setup is far more advanced than the Kleeman shock and springs and I have custom sway bars and other parts to achieve handling beyond the normal. I know for certain that the Kleeman springs are not stiff enough to really hold the car from roll induced camber changes that kill traction through long corners.
I also have very big nonstock brakes.
At Willow Springs the thing that makes for a very fast lap is corner speed. I don't think your 700 Hp will be enough to catch me if I can come out of turn 9, 10mph faster, plus I have hundreds of laps there on my Superbikes mostly with lap times of 1min 22-23 sec.
Anyhow it would be fun to meet at the track.
Jeff.
But my suspesion setup is far more advanced than the Kleeman shock and springs and I have custom sway bars and other parts to achieve handling beyond the normal. I know for certain that the Kleeman springs are not stiff enough to really hold the car from roll induced camber changes that kill traction through long corners.
I also have very big nonstock brakes.
At Willow Springs the thing that makes for a very fast lap is corner speed. I don't think your 700 Hp will be enough to catch me if I can come out of turn 9, 10mph faster, plus I have hundreds of laps there on my Superbikes mostly with lap times of 1min 22-23 sec.
Anyhow it would be fun to meet at the track.
Jeff.
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The Kleemann suspension is defintely not a true track oriented suspension, however, the suspension that is going into the car will be a true race suspension. Keep in mind that over a 16 months of R&D and a gross amount of money has gone into this car to make it a true street-to-track car. Almost all of that time and money has gone into the engine, transmission and chassis/suspension. I'm not the right person to test the car at a track, however, the guys at Evosport (who use Willowsprings for their testing and their driving courses) would surely give you a run for the money.
