i heard it on the radio today, bmw drivers are #1 most rude drivers on the road (lol, not that i got anything against em.. i might by a M3 pretty soon) and they gave the top 5, i forgot who was on the list i think nissan was like 5 or something

 

Which radio station was this on, and how was the survey conducted? I'm very curious because I wholeheartedly agree that BMW drivers are the biggest fuccking dicks in the world! Yeah, yeah, yeah, "not all of them are", but something like 90% of them. Being one of the most road-experienced here, 80,000 miles/year, I'd say my opinion is worth more than a lot of yours who will inevitably disagree with me. Even my buddy's girlfriend, whom I'd say is far from rude in person has unwittingly cut me off badly two times in her 325ci on the way to class. She later apologized when she realized it was me honking at her, but still that damn car gives off an as$hole aura to anyone that sits in it.

 

lex400sc, are you sure you don't drive a BMW as well???

 

its just some crap i heard on the radio... geez

 

but i do agree with the radi0 crap

 

Here are the top ten WORST drivers on the road: http://www.epinions.com/content_960077956

 

hahaha Is that BMW review for real? I don't know very many BMW drivers, but the few ones I know must be the exceptions because they are all nice people.

 

Sorry, your opinion is just as worthless as mine. It doesn't matter if you drive 80,000 miles a year or 8 miles a year -- percentages work the same way! If you met 10,000 and thought 9,000 were *******s, that's your 90%. I only have to meet 10 to hit my 90%, given a sufficiently large and random sample. Increasing the sample set has very little to do with the weight of your opinion.

That said, I do disagree with you, but I'm not going to try to argue. It's obvious that your opinion is so set that I'd just be wasting my time.

 

Marauder, you can disagree all you want, but the facts and findings are all around and all apparent. Just because your coworker, wife, and golf buddy all drive Bimmers and *might* be nice jolly old chums with you, doesn't mean shiit to the other hundred people they will cut off on the road. Every time I get cut-off on the road, I take notice of who does it and the LARGE majority are Bimmer drivers. I should have rephrased, 90% of the moron drivers on the road I have witnessed or been involved with are BMW drivers. The rest of the 10% are a conglomerate of all other car brands out there, which is a few dozen. This is a large enough phenomenon to start making generalizations and stereotypes because the ONE Mr. Proper that owns a BMW out there can not offset the 30,000 other dicckhead drivers sitting behind the wheels of their Ultimate ***** Machine.

I have experienced this BMW attittude, the guy on the radio experienced this and enough people did in his poll to equate a majority, and the Epinions reviewer experienced it. If you ask anyone with a driver's license which car manufacturer they thought produced the most jack-assed drivers, I guarantee you an overwhelming majority will reply BMW. Even BMW drivers acknowledge they have this reputation. I have three good buddies that drive Bimmers, and they have all laughingly remarked about being a "BMW driver". So continue to disagree with me for disagreement's sake, but everyone, even YOU, knows what I'm talking about when I point out that BMW drivers are Ultimately the worst drivers.

 

lex400sc,

Well, at first I thought you were just exagerrating to make a point, but now I think that you honestly believe that 90% of the accidents, aggressive driving incidents, stupid mistakes, etc. out there on the road today are caused by BMW owners. I know what you're talking about -- BMW drivers have a bad reputation, joining the ranks of mini-vans, SUVs, Porsches, loud Civics. What you think and what actually is are two ENTIRELY different things. Consider this: most people think they're a better than average driver. Obviously that can't be true, but that's what people think. People aren't machines -- they have selective memories, prejudices, etc. which make them vulnerable to get perceptions.

So if you want to rail against BMW drivers saying that they're being mean to you and your feelings are hurt, that's fine -- say whatever you want and I'm not going to try to dissuade you from your experience. But if you're going to insist that your experiences are equivalent to statistics or that 90% of incidents out there -- cited by a statistically accurate source, not some dude with a mission -- are caused by BMW drivers, I'm sorry, but I can't possibly argue with that either because I'll be laughing so hard. I can write webpages, too, but that doesn't make me a source.

You know what? I'll even toss you a freebie and provide a link to the study that the radio station was possibly talking about: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...news.lifestyle. I completely believe that most people will cite BMW drivers as the worst brand. I would probably cite that in the top 3, at the very least. But that's a FAR CRY from scientific data.

I truly hope that you're not in the media, the government, or education. However, marketing would be an excellent choice for you. Sorry you get abused on the road so much.

 

I think this is a bad case of exaggeration. 80,000 miles per year averages out to 219 miles per day. Are you enrolled in trucking school? That's approximately the distance from New York City to Boston. And I doubt you're the most road-experienced here, seeing as how you could have only been driving on the road between 3-4 years, even if your exalted 80k miles per year is true. Furthermore, driving around California is nothing like driving around New York City or even Boston and Philly. You want to see some really "courteous" driving? Try driving the West Side Highway/Henry Hudson during rush hour. You won't complain about BMW drivers; you'll be scared out of your pants driving down lanes that are so narrow it barely fits one car, while those next to you are traveling between 70-80mph. You'll be complaining about black Lincoln Town Cars that you *know* have poor handling nearly clipping bumpers weaving through, you'll complain about the yellow cabs, and just last week, if you were in my car, you would've complained about an LS400 that was weaving through traffic. Oh, and don't forget the huge potholes rampant around here, ready to bend your pretty 19" wheels. Want to have 18-wheelers drive a foot off your bumper? Hop onto the Major Deegan and enjoy the trucks all around you. BMW drivers are no better nor worse than the others here.

Fact of the matter is, I've spent several months in California, as well as many, many years in the Northeast. Just last month I drove through San Francisco, and had to stop for a moment because my contact lens popped out. I quickly turned on my hazards, and seeing no traffic behind me, double parked outside a store on Lombard. Within 20 seconds, 4 cars were behind me, not knowing exactly what to do with a car stopped with his hazards on. New Yorkers wouldn't have blinked -- they would've just gone around me, seeing as how the other lanes were empty! Of course, in SF, I bet there are now 4 people cursing Grand Marquis drivers.

So are NYC drivers better than California drivers? Saying that statement is true would be the same as generalizing that BMW drivers are worse than others and would be an incorrect assertion. But if you insist on saying that BMW drivers are the worst, allow me, too, to assert California drivers cannot compare to those of us on the Northeast.

 

Actually in Atlanta, BMW drivers never speed, never drive their cars like they should. They are usually cool.

Those focking NIssan drivers though, Maxima, Altima, Pathfinder, whatever, they are the WORST, IMO.

 

Who are you to tell me how much I drive???? Are you riding along with me every weekend when I put about a 1000-1200 miles on my odo driving down to LA? Or Sacremento? Or San Luis Obispo? Or Santa Cruz? Do you commute 12 miles each way to school with me twice a day? Maybe not 80k, maybe 60k, whatever . I don't run down to my car, read the odometer, calculate average mileage per month, times it by twelve, and compute that figure to create the most mathematically sound number for you. Hell I haven't even owned this car a full year yet, all I know is that I had to change my engine oil twice in one month and it was 1500 miles overdue. That's about 6500 miles in 30 days for you mathmaticians. And I did put 45k miles on my Camry, which I drove for about 10 months. Anyway, I could give a fucck less what you think I drive a year . And you act like I haven't been to NYC twice and driven through the city both times in my Ford rentals. If we were talking about psychotic drivers by region and not by make, I'll gladly hand NYC the award.

Marauder, I finally understand: you drive an M-coupe (aka dick on wheels :p). Sorry if I hurt your feelings by calling you an as$hole driver, but you are more biased in this issue than you make me out to be. 90% of my cut-offs were made by BMWs, AND THAT IS NO EXAGGERATION. That is my experience. Sorry if Nasa wasn't sitting in my passenger seat to make scientific analysis of the situation in a control environment, but you'll have to settle for my personal experiences .

I'm not talking about people switching lanes in front of me without using a blinker, I'm talking about full-on, all-out cut-me-off-and-make-me-swerve-and-brake-right cut-offs. I'm talking about idiots who don't know the term "right of way" and insist on pushing by me at a red light or stop sign. And idiot BMW drivers that try to play road warrior by weaving through heavy traffic to maintain their 80mph pace. I shiit you not, you can't find a more as$hole driver in the world than a BMW driver. They are so unconcerned with other people and they drive as if they are Gods. Ask anyone, hell ask EVERYONE! If you agree that BMW drivers are jackasses, then why are you still arguing with me?

 

You've made my point in your own post by retracting the 80,000 miles and restating them as 60,000 miles. You've exaggerated your own figures, and that makes the rest of your statements suspect. But let's examine your statements further. And while you may not give a !@!% (I, for one, will try to keep this conversation civil and reasoned) what I believe you drive in a year, if you wish for me, or anyone else to believe the rest of your assertions, perhaps your arguments would have more merit if they were reasonable.

A trip between Pleasanton, CA and Los Angeles is, according to MapQuest.com, 346.97 miles. A roundtrip, thus, is approximately 700 miles, and not the 1000-1200 miles you claim. Another exaggeration. Perhaps before you post that you *definitely* know that BMW drivers are the worst because you *absolutely* drive 80,000 miles, perhaps you should calculate how many miles you drive, on average, per month before making such strong allegations. Furthermore, even with that figure of 6500 miles over 30 days, you average 216 miles a day, which is just 3 miles short of the 219 miles per day average you'd require to hit 80,000 miles.

Out of curiosity, when did you makes these trips to our esteemed city? I disagree with your assessment that New York City is filled with psychotic drivers; I tend to think most are highly skilled, considering the *relatively* low number of accidents given the fast driving as well as disregard of local traffic laws. Philadelphia on the other hand ...

Given your exaggerations, perhaps it's not much of a stretch to suggest that your 90% figure is similarly an exaggeration? Perhaps you admire BMWs to the point that you only remember when BMW drivers are less than courteous. Personally, I think cabs are by far the worst types of drivers (making Crown Victorias, I guess, the make that "cuts me off all the time and swerves and creeps up behind me at red lights") and behind that, any of those Import cars with a loud exhaust and obnoxiously large wheels (ricecars!). But I'm not going to say that either of these categories comprise 90% of bad drivers ... as even then, it would be an exaggeration. Even in New York City.

 

A salesman once likened drivers to fish:
BMW drivers are like sharks- aggressive, this is why all the drivers instruments are hidden from passengers and directed towards the driver- "its mine, im in control" attitude

Audi drivers were likened to dolphins- nippy, playful, young

and Mercedes as whales- cruise around, content with sticking to the speed limit -probrably no so representitive of the new gen of mercedes: SL55 etc

Interesting analogy I thought

 

Well, lex400sc, you still don't get it. You assume that I don't give you any credibility because you're railing against BMWs. You claim that I'm biased against you, when I've hardly stated any opinions saying anything positive or negative about BMWs (so how could I be biased?). I KNOW that BMW drivers have a bad reputation -- they do. The E36 m3 guys have the worst rep, I think. People have bad experiences and I believe it. I'm not here saying that BMW drivers are great drivers, or showing examples of where other drivers were really poor, or that your observations aren't really correct. So I'd like you to point out the statements where you feel I'm biased. I even said myself that I would put BMW drivers in the at least in the top three most intimidating drivers.

What I AM saying is that while you have these observations, your conclusion is faulty. It may SEEM to you like it's 90% of all aggressive driving incidents and accidents are caused by BMW drivers, but you should have the logic to know that it can't possibly be true. You're a human just like everyone else and have a selective memory and choose to say things when it fits your purpose. It's not a "small world" -- we just don't think about how big the world is when we run into a stranger.

So let's try a different approach. Have you ever read the explanation of how it's physically impossible for Santa Claus to actually do the antics that he does, despite children's perceptions that he's real? Well, we have the same sort of deal here:
- If the ~1.3 million BMWs on the road cause 90% of the 6 million accidents on the road every year, each BMW is responsible for 3.6 accidents per year, every year.
- BMW shops must be on every corner to get BMWs fixed and out on the road again to cause other crashes. Not to mention all the cutting off and squeezing through you're talking about.
- Of the 42,000 motor vehicle accidents per year, 37,800 of them were because of some stupid BMW driver. That makes BMW drivers responsible for twice as many deaths as murder. Someone should make them illegal.
- With all those deaths, those BMWs must be death traps. They keep getting in extremely serious accidents, killing people, but go back out there to kill more people. Somebody better tell the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety that they're doing something very seriously wrong with testing their BMWs, because they seem to do be doing pretty damn well in their tests.
- I'd hate to own a BMW in an area with only a few BMWs, because I'd have a lot more cars to wreck and people to hurt if I drove one. There aren't as many BMWs to go around and I just don't have that kind of time.
- Insurance premiums must be super high for BMWs -- nine times higher than other cars! I either got a really good deal or I really got jacked.
- If 90% of all incidents are caused by BMW drivers, almost every cab that cuts me off in NYC must be a damn BMW. Funny, because they don't look like BMWs.

So if all these things are true, there are only a few conclusions that can be drawn:
- 90% is correct and there are many more BMWs than the statistics say there are.
- 90% is correct and you live at a BMW dealership and drive 80k a year on the showroom floor.
- 90% is incorrect because you don't know what a BMW looks like and assume that almost every car is a BMW, including yellow cabs.
- 90% is incorrect because you're human and you make mistakes, as ridiculous as they are.

This has nothing to do with BMWs specifically. I read the article and thought it was funny and of course there's some truth to it. The report doesn't surprise me and I welcome any opinion you have about my car or BMWs in general. I never once stated anything about why a BMW is a better car or why BMW drivers are more in tune or any other garbage like that. It's human nature to think that perception equals truth. I hope I'm not telling you something new here. That's the same reason why I thought your 90% figure was just a joking exaggeration and we would have all had a good laugh. Sadly, I was mistaken.

 

That really is an interesting analogy, though all three have gotten large enough that it's hard to pigeonhole them into a category. I think it better describes their bread and butter approach and how they try to rope in buyers to see their other cars, so extremes like the SL55 should be ignored. BMW has its dolphin (525iT) and its whale (750iL), Audi has its shark (RS6) and whale (A8), and Mercedes has its shark (SL55) and its dolphin (C Coupe). It bespeaks when can be done, but isn't really representative of what is done, though we can expect to see more thorough coverage of all kinds of cars from all manufacturers as they grow. It's very easy to see how most of the manufacturers pick out their target market for their whole brand.

 

Okay idiot, I don't drive from Pleasanton to Los Angeles City, stop, then turn around and head back. Here's what I did on my last trip to LA: Drove from Pleasanton to Santa Barbara and dropped off a friend there, then proceeded on to Canyon Lakes to party at Tommy Lee's summer house. Drove back from Canyon Lakes to Huntington Beach the next morning to watch my friend's band play at the Core Tour. While at Huntington, I got a call from my other friend in Arcadia who wanted a ride to HB, drove to Arcadia to pick her up and back to Huntington Beach. After the Core Tour we drove to a house part in HB then later that night drove to USC for a frat party. After a few hours of USC, we drove to some bar in West Hollywood, then at the end of the night drove back to my friend's house in Huntington Beach. In the morning I drove back up to Pleasanton stopping at Santa Barbara to pick up the girl we dropped off there, and headed back to Pleasanton where I dropped off three people at three different houses. If you want to continue being nitpicky like an old lady, I'll supply you all the addresses of the places I stopped including all gas stations and restaurants and you can MapQuest again and make sure I'm dead on to the tenth of a mile . That whole trip was no less than 1000 miles, and I'll bet however much you have ***** enough to bet on that. One trip to LA we headed down to a night club in Rosarita, Mexico--another 5 hours south of LA. And many many times on my way down to LA--which I might add I'm not always driving my own car--- we stop by to visit our friend in San Diego State. And FYI, I'm driving to Stockton this weekend to attend BoardStock 2002, good for another 150 miles, with a possible stop at Lake Don Pedro.

Once again, let me reiterate that the "80,000 miles" figure, LIKE the "60,000 mile figure" I produced were off the top of my head estimations. Do you want my VIN number so that you can read through my service track record and verify those figures as well??? Christ, some people will split as many hairs as it takes in attempts to discredit someone else. Pathetic.... I can't believe I'm here trying to justify myself to someone like you who I'd normally make look like a fool with a simple facial expression.

 

You make a rational arguement based off an irrational and quite inaccurate asseration. My statement simply claimed that 9 out of 10 jack-assed manuevers I've witnessed or been involved in were carried out by BMWs. How many accidents occurred out of all 10 scenarios? Zero. Thankfully at least one party is a compotent enough driver to avoid accidents and thus your entire line of reasoning is flawed because there were no accidents as a result, due almost soley to defensive/evasive driving manuevers. If someone cuts me off, I do not accelerate in a straight line like normal and let them clip my car. No, I brake hard and right to avoid a collision and save my own *** from getting plastered against a median.

And say BMWs did cause 90% of the accidents like your logic attempts to illustrate. That would only be one car out of two or more involved in an traffic accident. So in theory, based off your logic, BMW could account for no more than 45% of the wrecked cars unless two BMWs got into it together. Pile ups involving ten or twenty cars on the freeway may only have the one BMW that started it and maybe nineteen other Buicks. Get my point? Not that it matters, that whole scernario was proven moot from above.

 

Too much B S !!! I rather drive a german luxury beerburner than a japanese luxury riceburner!!!

 

Riiiiight, speaking of BS, that last post was completely off topic from this thread. There are two other active threads for you to spread your Japan vs Germany opinions on.

 

oops, you are right!!, I got confused in the middle of all your BS between BMW drivers and Lexus greatness

 

It's okay, I forgive you. As long as you acknowledge that I am right


But just to clarify because I know your braindeath kicks in sometimes---especially when people use big words and long sentences--- I never spoke one word about "Lexus greatness" on this thread .

 

No, my statement stands. The reasoning is simple: the rate of accidents and the rate of dumb moves are proportional with each other. While you didn't see one, there must have been 15,000 BMWs that did get into accidents today somewhere in the country (since they do make up 90%, right?).

I'm looking at the clock, and the date has now rolled over not too long ago to 9/11. It's a reminder that there are better things to worry about, so I'm going to just drop this thread -- it's no longer entertaining and I know that I won't be able to get you to acknowledge that the truth is different from your perception. I've tried presenting questions which logically refute your 90% figure, but you're either dodging them or coming up with more silly claims. So good luck out there and drive safely.

 

I admit you are right on the fact that you don't speak about the Lexus on this thread, but I've been reading this (BMW drivers) and the S MB vs SC or LS Lexus, so that is where I got my posting confused