Best Year
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Best Year
Hello Everyone!!!!
Im new to the S-Class forums but not to MBWorld. I currently have an E class and love to read the E forums W210
Anyway, I have decided to purchase an W220 S class and was hoping for some help.
I would like to know which year would be the best for the W220 S class. I know they all have problems and are prone to anything, but which production year seemed to be as good as a tank...
Also, if someone could break down the changes from year to year..
so far all i know is that the lights changed around 03.....i could be wrong on this.
Very appreciated..Thanks in advance!
Im new to the S-Class forums but not to MBWorld. I currently have an E class and love to read the E forums W210
Anyway, I have decided to purchase an W220 S class and was hoping for some help.
I would like to know which year would be the best for the W220 S class. I know they all have problems and are prone to anything, but which production year seemed to be as good as a tank...
Also, if someone could break down the changes from year to year..
so far all i know is that the lights changed around 03.....i could be wrong on this.
Very appreciated..Thanks in advance!
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You can see the changes from one model year to the next by going to MBUSA, the site map, and looking at the model year overview. Last time I checked, it went back 16 years.
The 2003 Facelift version marked a significant step up in reliability, though some problems persist - Airmatic is probably most notable. The trend to better reliability has continued, with the '07s (a very different design) coming out top in the class in the JD Power initial quality survey this year.
You are correct that the headlights and tail lights changed with the '03 facelift, and it went to the widescreen COMAND display. However, the '03 nav system was still CD based; it went to DVD in '04. The MOST fiber optic bus was first introduced in the W220 for '04. The MHI phone system, which is easiest to upgrade, came out in '05 in the U.S.
For a partial treatment on differences, see https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=124317; I have an '05 4-Matic, and love it. Very few problems so far.
The 2003 Facelift version marked a significant step up in reliability, though some problems persist - Airmatic is probably most notable. The trend to better reliability has continued, with the '07s (a very different design) coming out top in the class in the JD Power initial quality survey this year.
You are correct that the headlights and tail lights changed with the '03 facelift, and it went to the widescreen COMAND display. However, the '03 nav system was still CD based; it went to DVD in '04. The MOST fiber optic bus was first introduced in the W220 for '04. The MHI phone system, which is easiest to upgrade, came out in '05 in the U.S.
For a partial treatment on differences, see https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=124317; I have an '05 4-Matic, and love it. Very few problems so far.
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You can see the changes from one model year to the next by going to MBUSA, the site map, and looking at the model year overview. Last time I checked, it went back 16 years.
The 2003 Facelift version marked a significant step up in reliability, though some problems persist - Airmatic is probably most notable. The trend to better reliability has continued, with the '07s (a very different design) coming out top in the class in the JD Power initial quality survey this year.
You are correct that the headlights and tail lights changed with the '03 facelift, and it went to the widescreen COMAND display. However, the '03 nav system was still CD based; it went to DVD in '04. The MOST fiber optic bus was first introduced in the W220 for '04. The MHI phone system, which is easiest to upgrade, came out in '05 in the U.S.
For a partial treatment on differences, see https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=124317; I have an '05 4-Matic, and love it. Very few problems so far.
The 2003 Facelift version marked a significant step up in reliability, though some problems persist - Airmatic is probably most notable. The trend to better reliability has continued, with the '07s (a very different design) coming out top in the class in the JD Power initial quality survey this year.
You are correct that the headlights and tail lights changed with the '03 facelift, and it went to the widescreen COMAND display. However, the '03 nav system was still CD based; it went to DVD in '04. The MOST fiber optic bus was first introduced in the W220 for '04. The MHI phone system, which is easiest to upgrade, came out in '05 in the U.S.
For a partial treatment on differences, see https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=124317; I have an '05 4-Matic, and love it. Very few problems so far.
Sky, how do you know all of this? You are jam packed with knowledge. Do you scream out facts on the 220's in the throws of passion? lol
I would say the least gripes come from the 04-06 owners. The earlier models are a rolling jam packed vehicle full of terrible suprises. It's like being married to an Italian woman. Very tempermental!
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2006 was probably the best year for the W220. I believe all cars came standard with the AMG wheels and body kit.
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It seems a lot people have issues with this airmatic system. Was airmatic something that was standard on all S-class vehicles of W220 platform or was it an option? I'm hoping it was an option so I may be able to find an s500 without the airmatic to prevent a lot of problems. Thanks
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as far as airmatic is concerned, wouldn't replacing those parts with new, before they fail, be preventive maintenance?
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While we're on the subject, the one must-have option on a W220 or W221 for me is ABC. An Airmatic car and an ABC car are totally different driving experiences. Airmatic will appeal to those drivers who like soft, almost boat-like rides while ABC gives a much tighter feel, better dynamics, flatter cornering and a more road-connected experience. With the +1 or +2 wheel/tire packages that are standard on AMG vehicles (sport kit, S55 or S65), ABC is night-and-day compared with Airmatic and higher-profile stock rubber. The latter is cheaper to operate (much longer tire life and cheaper tires to boot) and much cushier, but ABC is a critical aspect of the S-class experience for me. If you don't want to go the AMG way (sport kit or more), at least look for an ABC-optioned car and test drive both it and an Airmatic.
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Thanks, I agree with your post. Maintenance is the key, no matter how hard you ride the vehicle. During my 10 years in Germany the one thing that the mechanic always stress, was run the vehilce hard but take the time to maintained it.
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Thanks, I agree with your post. Maintenance is the key, no matter how hard you ride the vehicle. During my 10 years in Germany the one thing that the mechanic always stress, was run the vehilce hard but take the time to maintained it.
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Each to their own, but I do not believe replacing Airmatic components and checking for leaks is a maintenance item. That's checking for ISSUES, and issues are not supposed to occur in a car of high standards such as a flagship Mercedes.
Other issues I currently have that are not preventable include failed sensors, broken CD changer and rattles.
Bottom of line, early W220 models are poorly built, even though many owners would rather believe otherwise.
Other issues I currently have that are not preventable include failed sensors, broken CD changer and rattles.
Bottom of line, early W220 models are poorly built, even though many owners would rather believe otherwise.
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There is no doubt that post facelift cars are best.
220 series got more aand more reliable as the years progressed. My 2005 model has been virtually faultless. BTW very few problems with airmatic over here after facelift.
The S class is built of a combination of aluminium and steel. For the aluminium components there is, of course, no galvanising process.
All steel panels were galvanised from Quarter 1 2003 production onwards.
During the previous quarter (Q4 2002) the process was gradually introduced
on the production line and therefore some vehicles were galvanised during
this lead-up period, but not all.
Personally I would go for 2004 or 5 or 6.
220 series got more aand more reliable as the years progressed. My 2005 model has been virtually faultless. BTW very few problems with airmatic over here after facelift.
The S class is built of a combination of aluminium and steel. For the aluminium components there is, of course, no galvanising process.
All steel panels were galvanised from Quarter 1 2003 production onwards.
During the previous quarter (Q4 2002) the process was gradually introduced
on the production line and therefore some vehicles were galvanised during
this lead-up period, but not all.
Personally I would go for 2004 or 5 or 6.
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E220cdi Estate Avantgarde March 2008
All makes of car are like this. There is a probability distribution: at one end are cars with few or no faults; at the other end cars with lots of faults; in the middle the average. What you can fairly say is that the early 220's had more cars with faults than the later 220's. And the later 220's (especially 2003 production and onwards) had a lot more with few or no faults.
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mine is a '02 with 50K on the clock and i have to say it does not inspire any confidence.
i've had it for 20 months and it's been at the dealer multiple times for a litany of issues.
nothing overly serious except for a faulty alternator that left me at the side of the road, but it is annoying and costly time-wise when you drop a significant chunk of change on what is supposedly mercedes' flagship class and it is constantly in the shop. and mine was a CPO! it makes one wonder about the certification process.
bottom line, for me at least is, a car of this stature should not have such a staggering amount of problems, be it mechanical or otherwise. and being an "early build" car is definately not a valid reason.
i should regret buying this car given the number of issues that it's had but, strangly, i don't. i still enjoy it. explain that one!
i've had it for 20 months and it's been at the dealer multiple times for a litany of issues.
nothing overly serious except for a faulty alternator that left me at the side of the road, but it is annoying and costly time-wise when you drop a significant chunk of change on what is supposedly mercedes' flagship class and it is constantly in the shop. and mine was a CPO! it makes one wonder about the certification process.
bottom line, for me at least is, a car of this stature should not have such a staggering amount of problems, be it mechanical or otherwise. and being an "early build" car is definately not a valid reason.
i should regret buying this car given the number of issues that it's had but, strangly, i don't. i still enjoy it. explain that one!
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I don't think that is quite fair. I meet owners with early 220's who have genuinely not had any major problems. It is not just that they want to believe this; they really have not had any major issues.
All makes of car are like this. There is a probability distribution: at one end are cars with few or no faults; at the other end cars with lots of faults; in the middle the average. What you can fairly say is that the early 220's had more cars with faults than the later 220's. And the later 220's (especially 2003 production and onwards) had a lot more with few or no faults.
All makes of car are like this. There is a probability distribution: at one end are cars with few or no faults; at the other end cars with lots of faults; in the middle the average. What you can fairly say is that the early 220's had more cars with faults than the later 220's. And the later 220's (especially 2003 production and onwards) had a lot more with few or no faults.
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E220cdi Estate Avantgarde March 2008
I have never been in any S class that feels remotely flimsy. It would not have been made best saloon car in the world by numerous top motoring magazines if it had been. Either yours is incredibly unusual or your perception of flimsy is just very different from other peoples.
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In particular, the door soft-closes should work well and the feel should be of closing a bank vault with the actuation of a kitchen cabinet. If it doesn't, something is seriously out of adjustment or broken. A latch can be bad, the vacuum pump or lines can be leaky, the door can be misadjusted or it can simply be that the door seals need to be lubricated. I've never heard it described as a rattle, but S-class door seals need occasional lubrication or they can cause squeaks when the door closes or when you're going over rough surfaces. I hate to sound like a broken record (and I'm not criticizing you), but a good service department will do these things. Your reaction might be "What a ripoff! Silicone treatment for my door rubbers?" but that sort of attention to detail makes a big difference in owner satisfaction. Thus "maintenance matters." Of course this doesn't mean that the car is without systemic problems.
If your door rattles or the car feels flimsy, let a good mechanic check it out.
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mine is a '02 with 50K on the clock and i have to say it does not inspire any confidence.
i've had it for 20 months and it's been at the dealer multiple times for a litany of issues.
nothing overly serious except for a faulty alternator that left me at the side of the road, but it is annoying and costly time-wise when you drop a significant chunk of change on what is supposedly mercedes' flagship class and it is constantly in the shop. and mine was a CPO! it makes one wonder about the certification process.
bottom line, for me at least is, a car of this stature should not have such a staggering amount of problems, be it mechanical or otherwise. and being an "early build" car is definately not a valid reason.
i should regret buying this car given the number of issues that it's had but, strangly, i don't. i still enjoy it. explain that one!
i've had it for 20 months and it's been at the dealer multiple times for a litany of issues.
nothing overly serious except for a faulty alternator that left me at the side of the road, but it is annoying and costly time-wise when you drop a significant chunk of change on what is supposedly mercedes' flagship class and it is constantly in the shop. and mine was a CPO! it makes one wonder about the certification process.
bottom line, for me at least is, a car of this stature should not have such a staggering amount of problems, be it mechanical or otherwise. and being an "early build" car is definately not a valid reason.
i should regret buying this car given the number of issues that it's had but, strangly, i don't. i still enjoy it. explain that one!
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E220cdi Estate Avantgarde March 2008
I also had a 2001 and didn't have any issue like you seem to have. It's certainly no reason to get flamed, but it does sound like something or things are wrong with your car. Stuff happens with any car.
In particular, the door soft-closes should work well and the feel should be of closing a bank vault with the actuation of a kitchen cabinet. If it doesn't, something is seriously out of adjustment or broken. A latch can be bad, the vacuum pump or lines can be leaky, the door can be misadjusted or it can simply be that the door seals need to be lubricated. I've never heard it described as a rattle, but S-class door seals need occasional lubrication or they can cause squeaks when the door closes or when you're going over rough surfaces. I hate to sound like a broken record (and I'm not criticizing you), but a good service department will do these things. Your reaction might be "What a ripoff! Silicone treatment for my door rubbers?" but that sort of attention to detail makes a big difference in owner satisfaction. Thus "maintenance matters." Of course this doesn't mean that the car is without systemic problems.
If your door rattles or the car feels flimsy, let a good mechanic check it out.
In particular, the door soft-closes should work well and the feel should be of closing a bank vault with the actuation of a kitchen cabinet. If it doesn't, something is seriously out of adjustment or broken. A latch can be bad, the vacuum pump or lines can be leaky, the door can be misadjusted or it can simply be that the door seals need to be lubricated. I've never heard it described as a rattle, but S-class door seals need occasional lubrication or they can cause squeaks when the door closes or when you're going over rough surfaces. I hate to sound like a broken record (and I'm not criticizing you), but a good service department will do these things. Your reaction might be "What a ripoff! Silicone treatment for my door rubbers?" but that sort of attention to detail makes a big difference in owner satisfaction. Thus "maintenance matters." Of course this doesn't mean that the car is without systemic problems.
If your door rattles or the car feels flimsy, let a good mechanic check it out.
