Quality of Materials
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Originally Posted by Chi500
I sat in a w220 S-class, a 2000 model, and I remember feeling that the interior was of less quality. So now hearing that a W221 is of less quality than a w220 isn't hard to believe at all. Even with my ML's I've seen the degradation in interior quality. The interior of my w163 ML320 looked more expensive than the interior of my new w164 ML500.
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Originally Posted by PHYBENZ
I have heard and that is high praise except for one person.
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I strongly encourage everyone to just go see for yourself. The magazines are always going to point out the positive and not the negative. What magazine in the world be dumb enough to say anything negative about MB's flagship vehicle? Say bye-bye to those advertising dollars.
And the whole idea of an S550 base model... that's like a mansion with linoleum floors. Furthermore, the Designo option is the worst investment ever. If you are planning to keep the car forever then go for it. But if you are planning to sell or trade in three years then you can kiss that 10k good bye.
And the whole idea of an S550 base model... that's like a mansion with linoleum floors. Furthermore, the Designo option is the worst investment ever. If you are planning to keep the car forever then go for it. But if you are planning to sell or trade in three years then you can kiss that 10k good bye.
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Originally Posted by MBZFAN55
Speaking of materials, I noticed in the W221 brochure that in addition a to multiple Designo interior colors, there is a new interior option called "Exclusive Passion", as an upgrade. Does anyone have any info as to what kind of option this is as far as quality and cost ?
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Originally Posted by PHYBENZ
The W221 is definetly not of lesser quality that the 221. Every magazine review has praised and said the best things about the 221's interior in terms of its quality and the materials used. One person's opinion vs. quite a few reviews from car magazines, I will take the magazine's opinion since they are all saying the same exact thing. I will wait of course until I get to sit in one,for my final opinion, but until then I can only go from what I have heard and that is high praise except for one person.
But I do remember when the 220 came out and how magazines complained of its cheap looking interior. Hopefully the interior of the 221 turns out very well, I love the way the exterior looks and I'm seriously considering one.
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Originally Posted by Chi500
I haven't stepped into a 221 yet so I can't make a judgement. All I was saying was that it wouldnt surprise me if it was of lesser quality. I saw the same autoweek article you're referring to and it does look nice in the pictures, but I don't know how the quality of materials would look like in real life, though the design of it is very nice.
But I do remember when the 220 came out and how magazines complained of its cheap looking interior. Hopefully the interior of the 221 turns out very well, I love the way the exterior looks and I'm seriously considering one.
But I do remember when the 220 came out and how magazines complained of its cheap looking interior. Hopefully the interior of the 221 turns out very well, I love the way the exterior looks and I'm seriously considering one.
Chi500,
the interior is a major upgrade from the 220. Make sure you get the premium leather upholstery, it is very nice and better than the old nappa leather option. This car is much tighter and very well built compared to its 220 predecessor.
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Originally Posted by Kar don
Chi500,
the interior is a major upgrade from the 220. Make sure you get the premium leather upholstery, it is very nice and better than the old nappa leather option. This car is much tighter and very well built compared to its 220 predecessor.
the interior is a major upgrade from the 220. Make sure you get the premium leather upholstery, it is very nice and better than the old nappa leather option. This car is much tighter and very well built compared to its 220 predecessor.
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Man, I seriously hope that you're not losing sleep over this LOL. The car is a complete makeover of the S-Class. They are not even producing them in volume yet that I know of -- they are just getting started. This car is miles ahead of any other MBZ product out there (especially your MY00 S500) in terms of technology: all of their new tech of the last few years and the best of the new stuff that they've culled from the development boys are all going into, and being showcased, in this car -- do you really think that it is going to be a POS? MBZ flagship class? Get real. Take deep breaths. It'll be alright.
Let 'em start produing them. Let them get the kinks out. Let them put the higher quality and evolution parts in the production bins.
This car will be utterly fantastic -- probably one of the best Benzes ever...they've just got to get a little further up the hill on the production curve. I am waiting until after the June builds to make my decision; may I suggest that you do the same?
Man, I seriously hope that you're not losing sleep over this LOL. The car is a complete makeover of the S-Class. They are not even producing them in volume yet that I know of -- they are just getting started. This car is miles ahead of any other MBZ product out there (especially your MY00 S500) in terms of technology: all of their new tech of the last few years and the best of the new stuff that they've culled from the development boys are all going into, and being showcased, in this car -- do you really think that it is going to be a POS? MBZ flagship class? Get real. Take deep breaths. It'll be alright.
Let 'em start produing them. Let them get the kinks out. Let them put the higher quality and evolution parts in the production bins.
This car will be utterly fantastic -- probably one of the best Benzes ever...they've just got to get a little further up the hill on the production curve. I am waiting until after the June builds to make my decision; may I suggest that you do the same?
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Originally Posted by esntrk1
What magazine in the world be dumb enough to say anything negative about MB's flagship vehicle? Say bye-bye to those advertising dollars.
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Where did you get a brochure?
http://www.mbfaq.com/docs/catalogos/...221_ingles.pdf
Edit: Revise url address
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i originally found it on spanish website...this is the english translation if the spanish broshure..english version will be slightly different since there is no s350 or shortbody
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Originally Posted by MBZFAN55
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The link did not work. Please repost.
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http://www.mbfaq.com/docs/catalogos/...221_ingles.pdf
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I sat in one last week. Although i was not blown away, id classify it as adequate. id expect it to be more. the buttons are more audi-esqe.
what absolutely KILLS me is that A) STILL no steering wheel presets to scroll thru and B) STILL you can not view street names on the map unless you zoom all the way in. Since these are both annoying, simple and lame issues that have been around for years, it pisses me off to the point where I wouldnt buy the car. Pathetic. Petty, yes, but thats why you buy a car like this. Overall the car was nice and had a decent feel. Dont think I'd get one without all the options, which would push it to 100k. Not worth it.
what absolutely KILLS me is that A) STILL no steering wheel presets to scroll thru and B) STILL you can not view street names on the map unless you zoom all the way in. Since these are both annoying, simple and lame issues that have been around for years, it pisses me off to the point where I wouldnt buy the car. Pathetic. Petty, yes, but thats why you buy a car like this. Overall the car was nice and had a decent feel. Dont think I'd get one without all the options, which would push it to 100k. Not worth it.
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Sat in one today. Interior looks nicer and less cheap than the W220 (although I think the W220 isn't too bad... definitely many steps down from the W126 interior, though). Materials feel the same, however, from leather seating surfaces to plastic buttons. Even the door locks are the same early 90's squared off style. The metal buttons do seem to be real metal, however. No deforming when I pressed them...
Rear fender flare is still hideous in person. Trunk's a tad small, too. Otherwise, the car is quite nice.
Rear fender flare is still hideous in person. Trunk's a tad small, too. Otherwise, the car is quite nice.
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Originally Posted by Incendiary
Sat in one today. Interior looks nicer and less cheap than the W220 (although I think the W220 isn't too bad... definitely many steps down from the W126 interior, though). Materials feel the same, however, from leather seating surfaces to plastic buttons. Even the door locks are the same early 90's squared off style. The metal buttons do seem to be real metal, however. No deforming when I pressed them...
Rear fender flare is still hideous in person. Trunk's a tad small, too. Otherwise, the car is quite nice.
Rear fender flare is still hideous in person. Trunk's a tad small, too. Otherwise, the car is quite nice.
I finally realized what was bothering me about the front flares. Because of the way they curve towards the ground on the trailing edge, the car looks like it is ready to collapse downward where the front door meets the front fender. In other words the lines of the car do not extend from the front fender to the rear, but follows the line of the fender flare to the ground. It looks front heavy.
But...I will still reserve judgement until I see one in person. I have to be careful in my criticism because it may end up in my driveway in a year or two...:-)
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Originally Posted by ewde1
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Yea I am pretty upset about it. The W221 is supposed to be the undisputed king of luxury sedans. I should not be able to find any discrepancies with the interior of the vehicle.
I am still trying to download the brochure but the link is not active. If anyone has it please email it to me.
I am still trying to download the brochure but the link is not active. If anyone has it please email it to me.
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Here is another one by the English who are always critical of MB.
"Once inside, our misgivings evaporate. Nearly all the switchgear has been revamped to create a bespoke cabin feel, and build quality is out of this world."
Here is the whole article: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/preview...nz_s350_l.html
"Once inside, our misgivings evaporate. Nearly all the switchgear has been revamped to create a bespoke cabin feel, and build quality is out of this world."
Here is the whole article: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/preview...nz_s350_l.html
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phybenz: regarding the Autoexpress article, you are correct in saying they are usually critical of Merc. but the fact that they think the W220 has "imposing angles" makes me a little worried about their editorial quality :p
moving on, the metal buttons aren't 100% metal (much too expensive for a mass production car), but they should NOT deform when anyone presses them. not even plastic deforms when you press hard.
there's no way the quality can be worse than a '00 W220 - that car has plastics worse than a Kia! (i should know, had a second-hand one for a few months). only the facelifted ones are worth a comparison.
moving on, the metal buttons aren't 100% metal (much too expensive for a mass production car), but they should NOT deform when anyone presses them. not even plastic deforms when you press hard.
there's no way the quality can be worse than a '00 W220 - that car has plastics worse than a Kia! (i should know, had a second-hand one for a few months). only the facelifted ones are worth a comparison.
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S550: Disappointing !
Spent some time in the new S550 2 days ago......
Buttons that are real metal or not ...who cares...The point is the car interior is very disappointing. They are supposed to be the best quality cars out there...and this is just not cuting it. The design is as mediocre as the pictures I had seen seemed to show.....The clock in the center is horrible...cheap looking and just doesn't fit the theme.......The "I drive" button feels way cheaper than the BMW 7. I think that the overall quality of materials in the BMW 7 IS noticeably better...even though I am not in love with that car's interior also...
The exterior is very nice I thought....but why do I have to work SO hard at just tolerating the interior !!!!!!!
By the way...this car was fully configured, not a base model......
Buttons that are real metal or not ...who cares...The point is the car interior is very disappointing. They are supposed to be the best quality cars out there...and this is just not cuting it. The design is as mediocre as the pictures I had seen seemed to show.....The clock in the center is horrible...cheap looking and just doesn't fit the theme.......The "I drive" button feels way cheaper than the BMW 7. I think that the overall quality of materials in the BMW 7 IS noticeably better...even though I am not in love with that car's interior also...
The exterior is very nice I thought....but why do I have to work SO hard at just tolerating the interior !!!!!!!
By the way...this car was fully configured, not a base model......
