asg

Why is there no sport option for a new S600??

Does any one know the list of parts need to convert one?

I am also considering the Brabus kit, but dont like the dual fog lights.

Any other ideas.

Thanks.

Kar don

AMG front and rear bumpers, AMG side skirts, AMG wheels. Done.

Autobahn-Maniac

I have seen one. Don't know if was a factory option or done at dealer but I think it is a factory option you can order.

Kar don

glauser did a few of them, u can't order it.

CY

go brabus...maybe wald. AMG package is too common.

Ted Baldwin

...........Mercedes/AMG is trying to protect the sales of the S63 which has an inferior motor to the S600. The E63 and CLS63 have finally broken into the 12's. I won't be suprised if the heavier S63 is a 13sec car. They hope to sell a few S63's based on their AMG looks alone.

Ted

asg

My dealer told me that I will need more than just the bumper covers ad fog lights. They said that I will need to change all the foam and metal bumper behind it.

Germancar1

I don't see why Mercedes insists on doing this. I bet if enough people pass on the S600 and/or complain this will become a running change option or a new option for the 08' model year. This is no logical reason for the AMG package to not be availabe on the CL/S600 models. It isn't as if the AMG package is a real sports package (firmer suspension, bigger brakes etc.) anyway. Its cosmetic an does an awesome job on the 550 models so why not the top of the line CL/S600 models? Doesn't make sense to me anymore.

M

Ted Baldwin

............again, if they did then noone will buy the S63.

Ted

asg

You can't buy one of those anyway at the moment..

whoover

I don't see why a S600 Sport is more of a threat to the S63 than the S550 Sport. Anyone who cares about looks alone would be satisfied with an S550 with AMG kit, for a lot less money. An S550 with ABC has quite adequate performance for many drivers.

I'm also not sure that MB would care if current S55 owners chose to move to an S600 Sport rather than an S63. They would care much more if those owners moved to BMWs.

meegle

You may want to get the S63/65 front bumper instead as it looks (IMO) much more aggessive as well as having the side vents.

Germancar1

I hope you don't seriously believe that. People bought the W220 S55 and S600 and the W220 S600 had the AMG package as an option.

The engine is the deciding factor between a S600 and the S63 AMG, not the body kit.

M

cmcjo

My dealer told me that the AMG package added a stiffer suspension. Maybe he just thought that it rode different because of the wheels? Either way, I thought it did change the suspension.. guess I was misinformed.

Ted Baldwin

..........the W220 s600 and S55 are equivalent in performace. MB had no problem selling the W220 S55's. Currently the S63 is slower than the s600 . If you have AMG package on the S600, who will buy the S63 and for what purpose? You are exactly right that the egine is the decising factor......and the S600's twin turbo V12 wins hands down. MB is trying to figure out a gimick with which to sell the otherwise undesirable S63.......until it gets twin turboed in the future. What other reason will Mb care if the S600 gets the AMG package. You can get the AMG package for everything including your Yugo if you want, but not for the S600.

Ted

CynCarvin32

I have no desire for a S600. Squishy suspension that cant manage to be in sport mode without being over taxed, turbo lag, sounds like a hoover on high speed mode, and looks like a boring old mans luxo sled. The suspension and brake upgrades are enough for me to take the AMG car over the 600. Life goes well beyond a 1/4 track.

S63 or CL63 any day for me. 7.25k redline V8 with 500 hp.

Ever 63 I have driven was faster than my two stock 55's so this yapping about 63's being slow is just a joke. Car and driver tested a CLK63 and it was very quick. I saw a E63 go 0-60 in 4.1 and that sure beats my E55. I know people around her bash the 63 but its a better car in just about every way for me. If you need that tq renntech headers intake and ecu makes it have about 560 hp and 516 ft tq.

If the factory claims 0-60 of 4.4 for the S63 I think it will at leat do just that. They dont lie.

Im happy there.

Germancar1

Yeah he was mistaken. The AMG package on the S/CL cars are purely cosmetic.

M

Germancar1

Until both cars are tested in the U.S. by U.S. magazines you don't know anything about the S63's performance. MB's numbers are often conservative. Secondly if you don't get why someone would want either a S600 or S63 then you don't understand the point of either car. The S600 is about luxury and smooth, quiet power. No reason why it can't look better with the AMG kit. The S63 is the firmer riding, better handling, louder, more engaging V8 car for the S-Class buyer that wants a little more excitement.

Going by your logic this is no need for anyone to buy anything but a S550 with the AMG package. To the untrained eye it looks just like a S63.

The peformance of the S600 and the S63 will be so close to the point of splitting hairs and neither driver is looking to set drag records.

M

pmb600

I think that many buyers would have chosen a 600 over a 55/63 because of the added luxury in the 600. The 55/63 does not have all the extra wood and exclusive leather that the 600 has. True, I do not own an S-Class, but it would seem like a different group of buyers to me. I think that perhaps the 600 demographic is probably an older group of buyers for Mercedes, whereas an S-Class AMG might tend to be a younger buyers. Bottom line is I think there is a customer base for both models.

No offense to anyone on this board, I don't think that MB World is a representative sample of MB buyers anyway, so to any of you with 600s don't get upset by my observations on it being purchased by an older crowd.

Personally I would take a W220 S600 or W221 S600 anyday over the AMG.

pmb600

Oh one more thing...

Earlier this year we had the product manager for the M-Class come to our school to talk to a bunch of marketing students. He said that they try to introduce something new every year to keep the interest. I certainly wouldn't rule out an AMG Sport Package for the S-Class in 2009, 1 year after the S63 AMG will be released.

Ted Baldwin

...........with all due respect you don't know what you are talking about. The the w220 S600 is easily an 11sec car. The 63 series struggles to brealk into the 12's in the mucg lighter Cls and e6e.

..........I am quite aware of the difference in the power delivery S55 and S600. These poer dilery differences are blurred in the smotther, less torquey and yes quite slower S63.

..........my point is that the AMG kit should be available for the W221 S600 just as it has always been for other cars. I just think that MB is afraid that no one will buy the S63. This is completely different from the situation between W211 S55 and S600.

............The S550 with or without AMG kit will sell well. So will the S65. The S63 is going to be big flop, especially if you can get a nicer looking S600 with the AMG kit. I think MB knows it.


Ted

Germancar1

Who the hell cares about a 1/4 mile time in a luxury car!

If you think a 1/4 mile time is going to decide who buys what in this class then you're the one that hasn't a clue as to what you're talking about. The S63 is a different driving experience, both in power delivery and sound compared the nearly silent S600. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that. You're talking about a 1/2 second to a full second difference in the quarter mile on full size luxury cars and you think that is going to make a difference to buyers in this class? Come on now, that is plum ridiculous. Buyers in this class don't drag race. Sure some might track their cars to see what they'll do, but that isn't the focus of a car of this size and cost. Putting a body kit on the S600 isn't going to make the S63 a flop, Mercedes S-Class buyers aren't the simple as to now know the differences between the two cars beyond how they look.

Like I said before you're splitting hairs about a 1/2 to 1 second difference in the 1/4 mile times for a 2 ton luxury cars, ridiculous. A S600 isn't going to handle or drive the same way as a S63 and vice versa so again putting a similar AMG kit on the S600 isn't going to kill the S63.

M

CY

Either way S600 vs S63 issues aside, the whole idea of buying, painting and installing the AMG kit just to look lik all the S550 sports is a joke IMO....if I had a S600 and wanted a body kit I would go with a clean aftermarket kit with rims and be truly unique...a 600 with with a tasteful kit is hot as hell .

Ted Baldwin

You keep saying same thing. No one will care about acceleration in a big luxury car. Yes, according to you someone will pay $190K to buy the "driving dynamics" of 2 ton luxury sedan. They'd rather buy a Porsche or if they want 4 doors, they'll buy a performance sedan like the M5 or E63. Why were owners of the NA S55 not happy when the supercharged S55 came out the next year? They don't care about acceleration, right? Talking about not caring, these cars are top speed limited at 155mph. Very few care to drive that fast. Yet MB, BMW and Audi came to an agrrement to have the same 155mph topspeed. Why? Ostentation and bragging rights drive this segment of the market and this is something you don't seem to get. No one is going to buy the S63, especially if a twin turbo version is coming out in the near future. Hence the gimick to sell the S63 on its visual appeal.

..........ok, forget about everything I said. Why is the AMG kit available from factory on every other Mercedes except the W221 S600?

Ted

Buffer

I totally agree with you. I'm an older guy and I bought the S600 for the very reasons you mentioned above...I have no interest in AMG.