Ordered A 2010 S600 - Thinking Of Changing To S65 Instead
05-14-2009, 10:31 PM
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I drove the 65 prior to my purchase of the 600. I would have preferred the 65 but the financial premium did not justify the slight seat of the pants 15% torque increase. I am also missing a little more exhaust noise and brake caliper bling. So those are really the only 3 major differences IMO.
I'm not sure how long your planning to keep but you should also consider the steep depreciation especially in light of a new design for 3 years from now. If the last 65/600 is a good indication you will see about $90k depreciation on the 600 and about $130k dep on the 65 in 3 years.
I'm a 42 year old Codger
I'm not sure how long your planning to keep but you should also consider the steep depreciation especially in light of a new design for 3 years from now. If the last 65/600 is a good indication you will see about $90k depreciation on the 600 and about $130k dep on the 65 in 3 years.
I'm a 42 year old Codger
One thing to be closely aware of though is that the S65 will not automatically come with distronic. Make sure that is mentioned on the order. You don't want the bullet holes.
05-15-2009, 01:55 AM
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.......Not quite. More like sitting my *** in an S65 and setting the AMG race timers on both the 65 and 63. The S65 Came out about 1-2 secs. slower on the initial 0-60 mph drag.http://vlane.com/comparison_specific...s-s63-s65-s600 (scroll towards the bottom to see brake specs for S65 and S63.)
Here's the screen shot
"poseurish"? Wow! You do realize that the last time I checked, MB wasn't offering any options of slapping "AMG" badges on the S63, nor were they offering rotating chrome hub caps from Wal Mart as an option...... It IS an actual AMG sedan manufactured in Sindelfingen, GmBH..... along with it's brother, the S65, you know....
I know you're kidding WSH, right? Please tell me that you are
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05-15-2009, 02:26 AM
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"***-accelerometer" .......No quite. More like sitting my *** in an S65 and setting the race timer. Came out about 1-2 secs. slower on the initial 0-60 mph drag.
Really WSH? What if I told you that the S63 and S65 have the exact same brakes? Oh wait, what if I even provided you a link to show you that?
http://vlane.com/comparison_specific...s-s63-s65-s600
"Car w/no torque"? Man, seriously, can I have a little bit of whatever it is that you're smoking? It seems to be making you say funny things like "the S63 has no torque".
I know you're kidding WSH, right? Please tell me that you are
.......No quite. More like sitting my *** in an S65 and setting the race timer. Came out about 1-2 secs. slower on the initial 0-60 mph drag.Really WSH? What if I told you that the S63 and S65 have the exact same brakes? Oh wait, what if I even provided you a link to show you that?
http://vlane.com/comparison_specific...s-s63-s65-s600
"Car w/no torque"? Man, seriously, can I have a little bit of whatever it is that you're smoking? It seems to be making you say funny things like "the S63 has no torque".
I know you're kidding WSH, right? Please tell me that you are
05-15-2009, 03:36 AM
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I thought I had made up my mind but this is getting to be tougher than I expected. I have a print out here from my dealer on some info on all the 2010 S Class models.
S600 has everything in the S550 which includes Attention Assist (New), P1 including Active Bi-Xenon Headlamps with LED Daytime Running Lamps (Modified), Adaptive Highbeam Assist (New), Heated and Active Ventilated Front Seats. Plus Active Body Control (ABC) Suspension With Crosswind Stabilization (Modified), Exclusive Leather Interior With Alcantara Headliner, Brown Poplar Wood Trim, Heated Wood/Nappa Leather Steering Wheel, P2 Package, Driving Assistance Package (New), Rear Seat Entertainment Package (New), Power Rear Side Window Sunblinds, Panorama Sunroof, & Night View.
The S63 has everything in the S550 as stated above, plus ABC With Crosswind Stabilization and AMG Calibration (Modified), High Performance Dual-Piston Sliding-Caliper AMG Brakes, AMG Leather-Trimmed Sport Steering Wheel With Aluminum Shift Paddles, AMG Aerodynamic Bodywork, AMG Sport Exhaust System With Dual Twin Chrome Tailpipes, AMG Premium Leather Sport Seats, Drive-Dynamic Multicontour Front Seats With Four-Level Massage Function, AMG Brushed Stainless Steel Door Sills, PARKTRONIC, KEYLESS-GO, REAR VIEW CAMERA.
The S65 has all the standards of the S600, plus ABC With Crosswind Stabilization and AMG Calibration (Modified), High Performance Dual-Piston Sliding-Caliper AMG Brakes, AMG Leather-Trimmed Sport Steering Wheel With Aluminum Shift Paddles, AMG Aerodynamic Bodywork, AMG Sport Exhuast System With V12 Design Tailpipes, AMG Exclusive Leather Sport Seats, Diamond Cross-Stitching On Seats And Door Panels, AMG Brushed Stainless Steel Door Sills, and Top Speed Raised To 186 MPH.
Basically I am assuming you don't get Panorama Sunroof or Night View Assist in the S65 or S63 but you do in the S600. No Parktronic, Keyless Go, or Rear View Camera in the S600 or S65 but you do in the S63. MBUSA better not screw this up like they did with the C63.
I will check and make sure this info is correct because I had and liked the Key Less Go, Night View Assist, Parktronic, and Rearview Camera in my 07 S550 Launch Edition. Also if I do choose the S65 there better be a Rear Seat Entertainment Package & Rear Seat Package as well.
S600 has everything in the S550 which includes Attention Assist (New), P1 including Active Bi-Xenon Headlamps with LED Daytime Running Lamps (Modified), Adaptive Highbeam Assist (New), Heated and Active Ventilated Front Seats. Plus Active Body Control (ABC) Suspension With Crosswind Stabilization (Modified), Exclusive Leather Interior With Alcantara Headliner, Brown Poplar Wood Trim, Heated Wood/Nappa Leather Steering Wheel, P2 Package, Driving Assistance Package (New), Rear Seat Entertainment Package (New), Power Rear Side Window Sunblinds, Panorama Sunroof, & Night View.
The S63 has everything in the S550 as stated above, plus ABC With Crosswind Stabilization and AMG Calibration (Modified), High Performance Dual-Piston Sliding-Caliper AMG Brakes, AMG Leather-Trimmed Sport Steering Wheel With Aluminum Shift Paddles, AMG Aerodynamic Bodywork, AMG Sport Exhaust System With Dual Twin Chrome Tailpipes, AMG Premium Leather Sport Seats, Drive-Dynamic Multicontour Front Seats With Four-Level Massage Function, AMG Brushed Stainless Steel Door Sills, PARKTRONIC, KEYLESS-GO, REAR VIEW CAMERA.
The S65 has all the standards of the S600, plus ABC With Crosswind Stabilization and AMG Calibration (Modified), High Performance Dual-Piston Sliding-Caliper AMG Brakes, AMG Leather-Trimmed Sport Steering Wheel With Aluminum Shift Paddles, AMG Aerodynamic Bodywork, AMG Sport Exhuast System With V12 Design Tailpipes, AMG Exclusive Leather Sport Seats, Diamond Cross-Stitching On Seats And Door Panels, AMG Brushed Stainless Steel Door Sills, and Top Speed Raised To 186 MPH.
Basically I am assuming you don't get Panorama Sunroof or Night View Assist in the S65 or S63 but you do in the S600. No Parktronic, Keyless Go, or Rear View Camera in the S600 or S65 but you do in the S63. MBUSA better not screw this up like they did with the C63.
I will check and make sure this info is correct because I had and liked the Key Less Go, Night View Assist, Parktronic, and Rearview Camera in my 07 S550 Launch Edition. Also if I do choose the S65 there better be a Rear Seat Entertainment Package & Rear Seat Package as well.
05-15-2009, 07:38 AM
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I thought I had made up my mind but this is getting to be tougher than I expected. I have a print out here from my dealer on some info on all the 2010 S Class models.
S600 has everything in the S550 which includes Attention Assist (New), P1 including Active Bi-Xenon Headlamps with LED Daytime Running Lamps (Modified), Adaptive Highbeam Assist (New), Heated and Active Ventilated Front Seats. Plus Active Body Control (ABC) Suspension With Crosswind Stabilization (Modified), Exclusive Leather Interior With Alcantara Headliner, Brown Poplar Wood Trim, Heated Wood/Nappa Leather Steering Wheel, P2 Package, Driving Assistance Package (New), Rear Seat Entertainment Package (New), Power Rear Side Window Sunblinds, Panorama Sunroof, & Night View.
The S63 has everything in the S550 as stated above, plus ABC With Crosswind Stabilization and AMG Calibration (Modified), High Performance Dual-Piston Sliding-Caliper AMG Brakes, AMG Leather-Trimmed Sport Steering Wheel With Aluminum Shift Paddles, AMG Aerodynamic Bodywork, AMG Sport Exhaust System With Dual Twin Chrome Tailpipes, AMG Premium Leather Sport Seats, Drive-Dynamic Multicontour Front Seats With Four-Level Massage Function, AMG Brushed Stainless Steel Door Sills, PARKTRONIC, KEYLESS-GO, REAR VIEW CAMERA.
The S65 has all the standards of the S600, plus ABC With Crosswind Stabilization and AMG Calibration (Modified), High Performance Dual-Piston Sliding-Caliper AMG Brakes, AMG Leather-Trimmed Sport Steering Wheel With Aluminum Shift Paddles, AMG Aerodynamic Bodywork, AMG Sport Exhuast System With V12 Design Tailpipes, AMG Exclusive Leather Sport Seats, Diamond Cross-Stitching On Seats And Door Panels, AMG Brushed Stainless Steel Door Sills, and Top Speed Raised To 186 MPH.
Basically I am assuming you don't get Panorama Sunroof or Night View Assist in the S65 or S63 but you do in the S600. No Parktronic, Keyless Go, or Rear View Camera in the S600 or S65 but you do in the S63. MBUSA better not screw this up like they did with the C63.
I will check and make sure this info is correct because I had and liked the Key Less Go, Night View Assist, Parktronic, and Rearview Camera in my 07 S550 Launch Edition. Also if I do choose the S65 there better be a Rear Seat Entertainment Package & Rear Seat Package as well.
S600 has everything in the S550 which includes Attention Assist (New), P1 including Active Bi-Xenon Headlamps with LED Daytime Running Lamps (Modified), Adaptive Highbeam Assist (New), Heated and Active Ventilated Front Seats. Plus Active Body Control (ABC) Suspension With Crosswind Stabilization (Modified), Exclusive Leather Interior With Alcantara Headliner, Brown Poplar Wood Trim, Heated Wood/Nappa Leather Steering Wheel, P2 Package, Driving Assistance Package (New), Rear Seat Entertainment Package (New), Power Rear Side Window Sunblinds, Panorama Sunroof, & Night View.
The S63 has everything in the S550 as stated above, plus ABC With Crosswind Stabilization and AMG Calibration (Modified), High Performance Dual-Piston Sliding-Caliper AMG Brakes, AMG Leather-Trimmed Sport Steering Wheel With Aluminum Shift Paddles, AMG Aerodynamic Bodywork, AMG Sport Exhaust System With Dual Twin Chrome Tailpipes, AMG Premium Leather Sport Seats, Drive-Dynamic Multicontour Front Seats With Four-Level Massage Function, AMG Brushed Stainless Steel Door Sills, PARKTRONIC, KEYLESS-GO, REAR VIEW CAMERA.
The S65 has all the standards of the S600, plus ABC With Crosswind Stabilization and AMG Calibration (Modified), High Performance Dual-Piston Sliding-Caliper AMG Brakes, AMG Leather-Trimmed Sport Steering Wheel With Aluminum Shift Paddles, AMG Aerodynamic Bodywork, AMG Sport Exhuast System With V12 Design Tailpipes, AMG Exclusive Leather Sport Seats, Diamond Cross-Stitching On Seats And Door Panels, AMG Brushed Stainless Steel Door Sills, and Top Speed Raised To 186 MPH.
Basically I am assuming you don't get Panorama Sunroof or Night View Assist in the S65 or S63 but you do in the S600. No Parktronic, Keyless Go, or Rear View Camera in the S600 or S65 but you do in the S63. MBUSA better not screw this up like they did with the C63.
I will check and make sure this info is correct because I had and liked the Key Less Go, Night View Assist, Parktronic, and Rearview Camera in my 07 S550 Launch Edition. Also if I do choose the S65 there better be a Rear Seat Entertainment Package & Rear Seat Package as well.
Parktronic,keyless go,night assist etc are standard in both 600 and 65.
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If you had S65 1-2 second slower to 60 then the S63 it is obvious that you had to slam the throttle to the floor with no regard to traction.
S65 will struggle to hook up while the S63 with it's much lower torque will grab the traction easier.
You are right,for people with elephant foot ,S63 would be much better choice.
I can promise you one thing though,any time you line up against any 65 series for an impromptu drag race to 60, you will see it's rear bumper before you see that 60(unless it's raining or snowing then it's more about tires).
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05-15-2009, 10:03 AM
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could you snap few pics of your rear windshield?
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This debate could really go one forever and obviously everyone has their heated opinions and preferences.
Whether your considering the 63-600-65 they are all 3 the best cars available in the market. This is a luxury problem you have, which is a good thing. Most people will never be fortunate enough to have this problem.
The 63 and 600 are close in performance. If you leaning toward more sport 63, more luxury 600, 65 both to the extreme. It really boils down to how much money you want to spend. If you like hot rodding around and you have another smaller and lighter car for that, I will repeat my suggestion for the 600.
Whether your considering the 63-600-65 they are all 3 the best cars available in the market. This is a luxury problem you have, which is a good thing. Most people will never be fortunate enough to have this problem.
The 63 and 600 are close in performance. If you leaning toward more sport 63, more luxury 600, 65 both to the extreme. It really boils down to how much money you want to spend. If you like hot rodding around and you have another smaller and lighter car for that, I will repeat my suggestion for the 600.
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This debate could really go one forever and obviously everyone has their heated opinions and preferences.
Whether your considering the 63-600-65 they are all 3 the best cars available in the market. This is a luxury problem you have, which is a good thing. Most people will never be fortunate enough to have this problem.
The 63 and 600 are close in performance. If you leaning toward more sport 63, more luxury 600, 65 both to the extreme. It really boils down to how much money you want to spend. If you like hot rodding around and you have another smaller and lighter car for that, I will repeat my suggestion for the 600.
Whether your considering the 63-600-65 they are all 3 the best cars available in the market. This is a luxury problem you have, which is a good thing. Most people will never be fortunate enough to have this problem.
The 63 and 600 are close in performance. If you leaning toward more sport 63, more luxury 600, 65 both to the extreme. It really boils down to how much money you want to spend. If you like hot rodding around and you have another smaller and lighter car for that, I will repeat my suggestion for the 600.
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Obviously a problem with your launch technique.
If you had S65 1-2 second slower to 60 then the S63 it is obvious that you had to slam the throttle to the floor with no regard to traction.
S65 will struggle to hook up while the S63 with it's much lower torque will grab the traction easier.
You are right,for people with elephant foot ,S63 would be much better choice.
I can promise you one thing though,any time you line up against any 65 series for an impromptu drag race to 60, you will see it's rear bumper before you see that 60(unless it's raining or snowing then it's more about tires).
If you had S65 1-2 second slower to 60 then the S63 it is obvious that you had to slam the throttle to the floor with no regard to traction.
S65 will struggle to hook up while the S63 with it's much lower torque will grab the traction easier.
You are right,for people with elephant foot ,S63 would be much better choice.
I can promise you one thing though,any time you line up against any 65 series for an impromptu drag race to 60, you will see it's rear bumper before you see that 60(unless it's raining or snowing then it's more about tires).
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05-15-2009, 07:45 PM
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Now, I don't want to brag...
but if this dyno snapshot of my (not touched by any chips) 600 is accurarte....
then, go for 600... hands down...
And redistribute remining 50k. for a nice welcome party for all of us
How about that!
but if this dyno snapshot of my (not touched by any chips) 600 is accurarte....
then, go for 600... hands down...
And redistribute remining 50k. for a nice welcome party for all of us
How about that!
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Is it a modified one?
I remember similar numbers on my '04 S600 that had everything available from Renntech at the time....
05-15-2009, 08:50 PM
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The wierd thing is...that, it is NOT.
Check my thread here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/new-s-cla...half-dyno.html
I went back (two days after that) to the Auto Shop'
After questioning him, he called me an a$$hole and my car a freak and Dynojet superb.
I'll take that.
And the end of the day....
to the OP,
get whatever you test-drove and fell in love.
Obviousely...
can't go wrong with either one!!!
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Markopolo that Dyno is pretty good for an S600. I think I will test drive both to get an idead of what I want for the 2010 and make my final decision this weekend.
Thank you all for all the help and info!
Thank you all for all the help and info!
05-16-2009, 08:25 AM
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Markopolo's car is way more powerful,amazing numbers for a stock car ,make the new 600 best value in it's class IMO.
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The wierd thing is...that, it is NOT
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The wierd thing is...that, it is NOT.
Check my thread here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/new-s-cla...half-dyno.html
I went back (two days after that) to the Auto Shop'
After questioning him, he called me an a$$hole and my car a freak and Dynojet superb.
I'll take that.
And the end of the day....
to the OP,
get whatever you test-drove and fell in love.
Obviousely...
can't go wrong with either one!!!
Check my thread here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/new-s-cla...half-dyno.html
I went back (two days after that) to the Auto Shop'
After questioning him, he called me an a$$hole and my car a freak and Dynojet superb.
I'll take that.
And the end of the day....
to the OP,
get whatever you test-drove and fell in love.
Obviousely...
can't go wrong with either one!!!
Not to rain on the parade...BUT...only true power teller is at the strip...dynos are VERY unreliable no matter which one and how it's set up...each day a different reading...
This isn;t to say the 600s aren't underrated...they are very powerful but as with all cars take dynos with a pinch of salt...a guy in the W211 section with an E55 got 484 and on the next day got 410...
