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the car won't start
All spark plugs and ignition coils replaced with new ones. the car won't start normally. it only starts when the gas pedal is pressed to the floor, but the engine jerks terribly, checks appear and misfire errors are posted below.
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Sure looks like your Voltage Transfromer is shot. Symptoms are usually all the plugs on one side misfire. Clark Rupp sells one called the boost box which uses upgraded components and moves it to a cooler spot than on top of a hot engine. Easy to replace it but it costs about $675. His products are quite good. Keep us posted.
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Originally Posted by vettebk
(Post 8946637)
Sure looks like your Voltage Transfromer is shot. Symptoms are usually all the plugs on one side misfire. Clark Rupp sells one called the boost box which uses upgraded components and moves it to a cooler spot than on top of a hot engine. Easy to replace it but it costs about $675. His products are quite good. Keep us posted.
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V12 or V8 ? - V8s don't have a separate voltage transformer
the generic P0300 misfire is interesting the others are the faults you get per cyl if a coil stick isn't working.... If its a V8 are you sure you fitted it altogether OK - didn't muddle wires to each coil stick etc. ? if its a V12 usual fun |
Originally Posted by BOTUS
(Post 8946751)
V12 or V8 ? - V8s don't have a separate voltage transformer
the generic P0300 misfire is interesting the others are the faults you get per cyl if a coil stick isn't working.... If its a V8 are you sure you fitted it altogether OK - didn't muddle wires to each coil stick etc. ? if its a V12 usual fun |
so a V8 - with each cyl having its own coil stick - they are quite basic, if it ran OK before and you swapped all for suitable viable parts then I'd look for wiring faults (particularly if you put the old bits back and now it still has the same fault conditions)
It wouldn't surprise me if the engine loom is all crispy and snapped wires - what mileage ? what (if any) other parts did you disturb - you can do all 8 coils sticks inside 30 mins - with plugs and a bit of extra cleaning 1 hour |
Originally Posted by zstx
(Post 8946763)
v8 Model: 221.086 engine m273.
new spark plugs and coils were installed because the car drove normally into the garage and could no longer be started. . did you fill with fuel ? check the receipt did you fill with diesel ? or check social media - its quite common for a garage to miss-fill their tanks - the best way to find out is everyone else saying their car is dead too... |
Originally Posted by BOTUS
(Post 8946768)
hang on - you did the work and drove to a garage where it all went wrong ?
did you fill with fuel ? check the receipt did you fill with diesel ? or check social media - its quite common for a garage to miss-fill their tanks - the best way to find out is everyone else saying their car is dead too... |
Originally Posted by zstx
(Post 8946763)
v8 Model: 221.086 engine m273.
you misunderstood. Once upon a time there was a problem with the engine starting to shake and there were misfire errors. But the car was turned off and started again and then drove for over a month and everything was fine. It went into the garage and the next day it couldn't be started again. so the mechanic replaced the spark plugs and coils in the garage. and as for refueling, there is definitely fuel in the tank, not diesel. interesting - just today a thread about CPS (crank position sensor), these wear out and cause interesting fun.... dead coil sticks normally stay dead, so if they were playing up it won't start normal next drive - but a CPS can and regularly does perform like that. we don't really know what the workshop has done..... and in my experience parts for these cost so much people tend to accidentally borrow your working parts for themselves - landing you with fun when you get your car back if we think they are legit - at the miles you mentioned it might be a CPS that caused the strange running - but now its snapped wires to the coil sticks making a big misfire with codes . |
Originally Posted by BOTUS
(Post 8946776)
ahh - in the post it would have helped changing the word garage to a workshop
interesting - just today a thread about CPS (crank position sensor), these wear out and cause interesting fun.... dead coil sticks normally stay dead, so if they were playing up it won't start normal next drive - but a CPS can and regularly does perform like that. we don't really know what the workshop has done..... and in my experience parts for these cost so much people tend to accidentally borrow your working parts for themselves - landing you with fun when you get your car back if we think they are legit - at the miles you mentioned it might be snapped wires |
So sorry, I thought it was a V12. V12s have a VT. Not V8s.
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I would also comment that V8s are famous for using Crankshaft Position Sensors (CPS) and if yours is older than say 45K miles or if you just don't know how old it is; I would replace that first and then work on your ignition system one coil at a time, Usually, you notice a CPS at a fuel stop. When you try to restart a warm engine - nada. Wait 30 minutes for a cool down; and she starts right up. After that over time (days) it simply fails and no start.
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Originally Posted by vettebk
(Post 8946984)
I would also comment that V8s are famous for using Crankshaft Position Sensors (CPS) and if yours is older than say 45K miles or if you just don't know how old it is; I would replace that first and then work on your ignition system one coil at a time, Usually, you notice a CPS at a fuel stop. When you try to restart a warm engine - nada. Wait 30 minutes for a cool down; and she starts right up. After that over time (days) it simply fails and no start.
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CPS is not expensive and not hard to install. There have been other posts with the procedure you can search including good pix. Check the part number but this is typical: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mer...r-642153072805
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Originally Posted by vettebk
(Post 8946996)
CPS is not expensive and not hard to install. There have been other posts with the procedure you can search including good pix. Check the part number but this is typical: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mer...r-642153072805
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Originally Posted by zstx
(Post 8946990)
it's strange that the car was working properly the day before and suddenly it didn't want to start the next day. But about a month ago there was a situation where the engine suddenly started to misfire and there were misfire errors, but after turning off the car started normally and drove for a month or more without any problems. and now with new coils and candles it is the same as before the replacement, the car does not want to start, only when the pedal is pressed to the floor it will start, but it throws the errors that I added in the photo and throws the engine.
this newer wording makes me think you should check this video - from a reply in this post https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w...sometimes.html |
Following this thread, did you try replacing the CPS?
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I have the same Issue
Originally Posted by zstx
(Post 8946579)
All spark plugs and ignition coils replaced with new ones. the car won't start normally. it only starts when the gas pedal is pressed to the floor, but the engine jerks terribly, checks appear and misfire errors are posted below.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...590eae3da.jpeg |
Have you guys verified that fuel pressure is correct when cranking?
Crank position sensors are a wear item. Knowing how they are inclined to fail the E-55 got one every two years. |
When flooring the gas pedal helps to start the engine it kind of points to flooded cylinders OR improperly atomized fuel spray. This then leads to possibly having too low fuel pressure that the previous poster also mentions as an item to check.
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Originally Posted by Arrie
(Post 8967887)
When flooring the gas pedal helps to start the engine it kind of points to flooded cylinders OR improperly atomized fuel spray. This then leads to possibly having too low fuel pressure that the previous poster also mentions as an item to check.
she in doors did a short 25 yard drive in a 2002 VW golf and switched it off - next day the car wouldn't start - jammed the butterfly open with a screw driver, had the plugs out and neat fuel spat out the plug holes - perfect after that - to say my advice to hold the revs up at 2k rpm for 2 mins before she switched it off was clearly heard (as it should be on any singe start !!!) and my 40 mins pulling engine covers and plugs was 100% necessary !!! |
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