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Old Jun 29, 2024 | 10:52 PM
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Just dropped the pan on my transmission because my transmission would slip after 30ish seconds being in gear into "neutral" while the display shows in gear, the fluid was brown and the bottom of the pan was grey, figured the clutch on my torque converter was probably gone but was also met with a bunch of small metal shavings, threw up a huge red flag for me, what should I do?

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Old Jun 30, 2024 | 03:15 AM
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conventional auto gearboxes never slip in to neutral - they don't work like that

they work by the fluid applying pressure on and off to many wet multi-plate clutch packs - depending which is in use, it gives the various gear ratios
the electro-hydraulic solenoids that do the work to get the various clutch packs operating can fail or block.... the tiny amount of swarf in your box is "normal" on these hideous joke boxes Merc peddle. you need someone to tell you whats going on by looking at the fill rate adaptions of the solenoids... highly likely a full rebuild will be needed, if its not a failed or blocked solenoid

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Old Jun 30, 2024 | 09:49 AM
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Pull the TCU and pick up a used box.
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Old Jun 30, 2024 | 10:11 AM
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My S600 5 speed automatic transmission failed at 75K miles. Same story. Metal filings in pan. No pressure after warm-up. Replaced with a Mercedes remanufactured transmission on the extended warranty after their insurance adjuster visited the car and actually examined the codes. Approved the claim for transmission immediately. Also asked for a replacement torque converter and TCU; and extended warranty company denied the claim. I paid for it anyway since I love the car and wanted it properly repaired. Total bill was $9800 and I paid $4K; extended warranty paid $5800. You may be able to do it cheaper with a used box. Depends on how long you plan to keep the car.
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Old Jun 30, 2024 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by vettebk
My S600 5 speed automatic transmission failed at 75K miles. Same story. Metal filings in pan. No pressure after warm-up. Replaced with a Mercedes remanufactured transmission on the extended warranty after their insurance adjuster visited the car and actually examined the codes. Approved the claim for transmission immediately. Also asked for a replacement torque converter and TCU; and extended warranty company denied the claim. I paid for it anyway since I love the car and wanted it properly repaired. Total bill was $9800 and I paid $4K; extended warranty paid $5800. You may be able to do it cheaper with a used box. Depends on how long you plan to keep the car.
What was the code stored?
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Old Jun 30, 2024 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by vettebk
My S600 5 speed automatic transmission failed at 75K miles. Same story. Metal filings in pan. No pressure after warm-up. Replaced with a Mercedes remanufactured transmission on the extended warranty after their insurance adjuster visited the car and actually examined the codes. Approved the claim for transmission immediately. Also asked for a replacement torque converter and TCU; and extended warranty company denied the claim. I paid for it anyway since I love the car and wanted it properly repaired. Total bill was $9800 and I paid $4K; extended warranty paid $5800. You may be able to do it cheaper with a used box. Depends on how long you plan to keep the car.
Yikes. I'm down to 3 months on my warranty. I'd have a hard decision if I got a $9800 bill next year.
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Old Jun 30, 2024 | 11:32 AM
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Would a fluid change do the trick to get it running to a rebuild shop?
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Old Jun 30, 2024 | 11:35 AM
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It's toast bro. Drop it there in your garage, swap out the TCU and bolt up the used box. They don't weigh anything. I used to bench press Chevy TH350's into Camaros.
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specialist will rebuild - they do it all day long - I expect many could do in their sleep

the real cost aside from getting the box out - will be the need to buy a TC as the lock up clutch is also made of chocolate
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I would change the filter and add some fluid to see how it behaves. Might be able to nurse it to repair shop if you are not doing it yourself.
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Yikes. I'm down to 3 months on my warranty. I'd have a hard decision if I got a $9800 bill next year.

if you have a S600 these eat gearboxes every-time anyone notices the car was fitted with a throttle pedal - 30k mile rebuild is common - they make the 7G look like a good choice
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if you have a S600 these eat gearboxes every-time anyone notices the car was fitted with a throttle pedal - 30k mile rebuild is common - they make the 7G look like a good choice
They live a LOT longer when fluid gets changed with regularity.

Five speed box in my 221 S-65 was a happy camper at 150,000 miles when I traded out of that car for my current steed.

I’m fond of doing a drain and fill every other engine oil change. Your 221 cars have a dipstick tube, drain plug in the box and in the torque converter. Easy peasy.
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the way to make it last is to forget the last 2/3rd throttle travel - go there and fit a new gearbox when you get home from the short drive
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