there was a post on Friday from a guy wanting a late 2012, 221 with the old 273 engine - it now looks like the entire thread has been removed ? but I had posted some interesting info there so its notwin this post

I was a bit shocked as I thought all facelift ones moved on to the later engine - but it seems late 2010 221's first had the CGI direct injection M278 engine - but even that is unclear as the 278 is clearly identified as being produced in 2010 but info on where they went isn't out there. Only confirmation many 2011 models got the engine.

Whilst just checking when the 221's actually got the 278 engine I found a number of bits of information I had not been aware of.

1) seems the 221 was really signed off in 2002 but wasn't out till mid 2005 (with USA waiting nearly 2 years to get it)
2) there is a plant in Toluca Mexico that builds Mercedes Benz "Kit cars", but they don't seem to want you to know that - and maybe all S 221 for USA market are "assembled there"
3) there is now a separate mexican Nissan / Mercedes manufacturing plant
4) I think Merc do the usual german trick of a minor factory rejig after a summer break - and then start building the new model year cars in September (of the year before they claim is the MY)

Hence NTG3.5 was sept 2009 and the CGI likely came in from Sept 2010 ?

 

Here's the link to that deleted topic: https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w...2011-s550.html

 

The 273 was used till end of production from what I gather, the E47 S450 def, some markets got the E55 till 2011/12?

 

weird - tried to click got some strangeness about a moderator is reviewing the post...
did merc request it was pulled over the truth getting out there?

 

I doubt it. The W140 was.built in India well into the W220 production. Likewise the W124...

The W202/203 C Classes were built all over the place. Mercedes aren't alone in building cars around the world. And there are often significant tax advantages to shipping assemblies rather than complete cars. The Rolls Royce factory at Goodwood doesn't make cars, it builds kits and adds the garnish.

 

yes I know they have factories around the world - had no idea they had one in Mexico - seems Toluca is a car lorry automotive town and has been for many many years - BMW there, Merc trucks there, but is the Merc car assembly bit still there - it seems reliable info about what they do is harder to come by - one bit said car assembly started 2005 and lots of models were done there - but no specifics on the w221. Then Stellantis have the old Chrysler factory - so I wonder if they still chuck mercs together on that line but don't like to mention it.

Merc and BMW have factories in South Africa too, toured the VW one there last year - it used to make Studebaker kit cars in the 40's - they all seem to start out renting capacity as kit car builders, then the big manu buy more and more shares as they corrupt the local governments and bend tax laws, till its all theirs

German car manu are struggling big time - most factories globally are winding up shop or running short time. Not much suprise. Merc electric range are disgusting things... BM have gone mad and now only build these monsters no one normal would ever want. VW were producing such junk even the workers were on strike this year - saying its our own jobs you are killing because you make us use crap components - Skoda, VW's budget eastern European brand is far more reliable, and so is Seat, the Spanish ones - As they are ALL entirely VW platforms, suspension and drivelines - the VW reliability crisis must be junk rubber in bushes and chocolate sensors from the joke production runs Bosch spent most of their time on. And then we have around 100 new Chinese brands flooding the world, All making higher trim spec, more reliable cars at one third of the price - with 7 year warranties .

of course the germans might have the last word - by setting off ww3 they have so eagerly been creating (along with British establishment) - except Russia might have to make them vanish if they persist in the madness... just the other day your boy proposed a new world C5 without the sick morons in europe. USA Russia China India and Japan

 

This is very odd. I'm surprised the mods are active. The overall site doesn't see much traffic anymore.

 

to this entire MBWorld forum?

the cars are so unreliable with so much going on few can help with even minor gremlins.... u see it across all brands - as the hands on old boys die off, the new kids just buy a new spyware phone and do gaming and ****

rather sad the young lemmings can't see the wood for the tress of there own downfall....

 

So true.

Love or hate Our Donald, one thing that has become apparent is that there seems to be some attempt to bring manufacturing of both components and products back to the US. Many of the YouTube automotive channels I watch now seem to be actively seeking out US components over the Chinesium versions. Obviously non china can't compete on production costs, in part because we have labour laws and people expect to be paid for what they do🤐

Chinesium Inc operates at a loss because they know that by undercutting EVERYONE else they will eventually dominate the global market by forcing everyone else out of business and then be able to charge what they want. The only people who benefit are the individuals that run the WEF and their puppet companies. Oh and Jeff Bezos but best not get started on Amazon 🤐

And it's not just production...

They now own the bulk of the raw materials too... The abandoned colonies sold their souls to China for infrastructure construction loans in exchange for indefinite mineral rights (by way of non payment defaults). Make no mistake, shutting the world down because of TCV wasn't an accident. The economic power shift it caused probably accelerated the Chinesium master plan by two generations.

Back on topic, the previous and current A Class /CLA is basically a rebadged Renault using DC running gear assembled in Romania and supplied to MB, Renault, Dacia and Nissan.

Just because the parts are stamped with MB part numbers, it does not the 1.3 turbo a Mercedes engine make.

 

Excellent post. The day the WEF scammers are arrested I will put a 20 x 10' TRUMP flag outside my house. Waiting, and waiting, and waiting some more, but please Donald hurry up.

Great to see others aware of what's going on. Best regards & Merry Christmas to all!

 

I agree, all the boards have fallen off. Reddit and Facebook dominate social media. When I joined MBworld in 2013 I was a member of several Mercedes Forums. This one was the best. Eventually, I stopped posting on other boards.I still make an effort to drop by a few times a month to see what's going on and to help keep it going.