Run Flats?
03-07-2014, 05:42 PM
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03-07-2014, 05:46 PM
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Please set me straight Kratos. Why is it that MBUSA is allowing you to replace the RFT'd with non RFT's and they will not budge with Chuckey? Are you paying out of your pocket, is that the reason? Or, do you have 19 inch wheels in your car and that's the reason. I'm lost as you can tell.
I think its wrong Mercedes is obligating him to be in this position but truthfully, these run flats are for the birds.
03-07-2014, 05:50 PM
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I've been calm the entire discussion. And I have some good tires coming because of the info Chucky, Dave, Twin, Wolf, and others been sharing. :-)
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03-07-2014, 05:52 PM
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Please set me straight Kratos. Why is it that MBUSA is allowing you to replace the RFT'd with non RFT's and they will not budge with Chuckey? Are you paying out of your pocket, is that the reason? Or, do you have 19 inch wheels in your car and that's the reason. I'm lost as you can tell.
03-07-2014, 06:07 PM
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Condescending posts are not needed. I wholeheartedly disagree with what you wrote. I, too, did not test drive the car before I purchased it. I did not test drive the one before that. Or the one before that. Prior to that, I did test drive a 1999 S500 and loved it and knew any future cars would only be improvements upon this vehicle. Naturally, I loved the S500 from 2002 which replaced the 1999. I loved the S550 from 2007 which replaced the 2002. I ASSUMED I would love the 2014 S550 which would replace the 2007, especially with the Magic Body Control and updated ABC. I have never had a car with runflat tires before. I was not told in advance that the ride would be very different. (yes....very different). I had no way of knowing. On Mercedes website, the 19" wheels are noted to have Runflats....the 20" wheels are noted to have high performance tires. We were given ZERO warning. I purchase the insurance on the wheels and tires because in the past, I popped tires over pot holes and wished to sleep well at night knowing I was covered. After having to replace all four tires, and having a much harsher ride, I am asking Mercedes to see my side of this, and take the runflats off the car, and replace them with non runflats so that the rest of my years with this car would not involve me feeling the jarring experience of hitting a bump, pothole, or twig. If you are happy with your car, I am thrilled for you. I am not, and I think spending $128,000 plus warranty gives me the right to air my grievances out with the Mercedes dealership and corporate offices. Reading your post without reading the entire thread, one would assume Kratos and I wanted to move heaven and earth and turn this car into something it is not. I'm really not sure where you deduce that we are just bitter or trying to rile each other up when the problem extends to not just S Class drivers, but to other class drivers, and as documented above, other manufacturers such as BMW and Mini. I'm not declaring these runflats to be defective. I'm declaring them to be too stiff to offer a comfortable boaty ride, which is what the S Class is known for. With that said, I am glad you are entertained...that is the second reason for this forum's existence, only after its beneficial public spot to figure out solutions to problems.
This is a good conversation and important to know for others you are or planning to purchase the car.
Most people just don't think about RFT's and I was surprised as well that our new SL came with runflats. There was no indication on the specs or from my dealer.
Keep it coming! One suggestion though: just use the one "run flats" thread. No need for parallel threads for just tires
03-07-2014, 06:42 PM
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This is a good conversation and important to know for others you are or planning to purchase the car.
Most people just don't think about RFT's and I was surprised as well that our new SL came with runflats. There was no indication on the specs or from my dealer.
Keep it coming! One suggestion though: just use the one "run flats" thread. No need for parallel threads for just tires
This is a good conversation and important to know for others you are or planning to purchase the car.
Most people just don't think about RFT's and I was surprised as well that our new SL came with runflats. There was no indication on the specs or from my dealer.
Keep it coming! One suggestion though: just use the one "run flats" thread. No need for parallel threads for just tires
Will keep it all here
With that said.... an article from Motor Trend Magazine:
http://wot.motortrend.com/1311_2014_...#ixzz2vK3gj6ZL
The 2014 Mercedes-Benz S-Class may be the most technologically advanced 2014 Motor Trend Car of the Year contender. With a steering assist system, an advanced suspension that scans for road imperfections, and an automatic perfuming system, Benz's new flagship is the benchmark in its segment. It's hard to believe the 4.7-liter twin-turbo V-8 in the 2014 S550 is considered the base engine. With 455 hp and 516 lb-ft on tap, the large sedan needs only 4.7 seconds to run from 0 to 60 mph. The aforementioned suspension system, dubbed Magic Body Control, ensures an almost eerily smooth ride, occasionally marred, however, by the stiff run-flat tires.
All the more glad I am fighting for non runflats. Happy to see the test vehicle has MBC and still complains of the tires.
03-08-2014, 12:30 AM
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Finding buyers for the RFTs won't be difficult. On BMW forums the guys who lease frequently need new rubber before they return their cars. If you have space to store them at least.
03-10-2014, 11:46 AM
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WOW..........
Mercedes just called me back and have APPROVED ME for a 20" NON RUNFLAT TIRE! I don't know what happened, but I had my old service adviser and my current call MBUSA and tell them they were really making a bad decision with fighting me on this. Here's the tire!!! I couldn't be happier. They are also giving me a free tire repair kit!
KRATOS - you should call Robin (Number above) and tell them to compensate you for your purchase! If they are doing it for me - they need to do this for everyone!
Mercedes just called me back and have APPROVED ME for a 20" NON RUNFLAT TIRE! I don't know what happened, but I had my old service adviser and my current call MBUSA and tell them they were really making a bad decision with fighting me on this. Here's the tire!!! I couldn't be happier. They are also giving me a free tire repair kit!
KRATOS - you should call Robin (Number above) and tell them to compensate you for your purchase! If they are doing it for me - they need to do this for everyone!
03-10-2014, 12:14 PM
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WOW..........
Mercedes just called me back and have APPROVED ME for a 20" NON RUNFLAT TIRE! I don't know what happened, but I had my old service adviser and my current call MBUSA and tell them they were really making a bad decision with fighting me on this. Here's the tire!!! I couldn't be happier. They are also giving me a free tire repair kit!
KRATOS - you should call Robin (Number above) and tell them to compensate you for your purchase! If they are doing it for me - they need to do this for everyone!
Mercedes just called me back and have APPROVED ME for a 20" NON RUNFLAT TIRE! I don't know what happened, but I had my old service adviser and my current call MBUSA and tell them they were really making a bad decision with fighting me on this. Here's the tire!!! I couldn't be happier. They are also giving me a free tire repair kit!
KRATOS - you should call Robin (Number above) and tell them to compensate you for your purchase! If they are doing it for me - they need to do this for everyone!
Curious....why the Dunlops? Are they better?
03-10-2014, 12:36 PM
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I was going to argue to get the bridgestones but you know what - i won't fight them anymore.
At the end of the day - riding on the rims themselves would be a smoother ride - these dunlops are going to be perfectly acceptable.
I've had them before on previous S Classes and I'm fine with this.
Let this be a lesson to all - if you are absolutely 100% sure you are right, you never ever back down. Just make sure you can put on paper exactly what the issue is, and move forward with that. No opinions, just facts.
In this scenario - Mercedes put on their own website a picture of the Sports package with the 19" tires and a picture of the sports package plus 1 with the 20" tires.
19s were designated Runflats
20s were designated High Performance
20s were shipped with Runflats instead.
That's discrepancy #1.
When the problems with the bubbles arose, and we had to keep coming back to deal with it - that's above and beyond what a car buyer should have to go through - whether they are under warranty or not.
Thats Problem #2.
Finally, when you are driving the most luxurious brand ever, and we were riding around what felt like bricks.
That's an embarrassment to Mercedes (or should be).
We did not ask for anything out of the ordinary. We weren't being crybabies about it.
I have 3 tires NOW with bubbles. This, after replacing all 4 already!
There's not a soul on the road that would say this is acceptable, normal, or something that doesn't warrant a complaint, warranty or not.
Whatever the reason for the change of heart, can be debated later. I know I had people call them up and tell them that they'd all be making mistakes if they fought the customer on this. I'm glad they were able to back down and do what is right. We were not given any favors here...let that be clear.
03-10-2014, 12:36 PM
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As I have mentioned, the tire option 53R (20 inch 5 spoke wheel) is listed as non-runflat in the 2015 dealer ordering guide. Based on that, I cannot imagine why they would not have had a non runflat available they could put on the 2014.
I ordered 53R on my 2014 as I did not want the sport package. I half-expect that when I gt to the Center of Excellence on next Tuesday to see non-runflats on my car. I know the majority of the folks on here ordered the sport package when they got their 20 inch wheels. I figured MB may not have validated that combo (53R tire on the 20inch sport wheel). If that was the case, perhaps that is what they just did.
On another note, I wanted to say thanks to the folks on this forum. You have made this wait a little more bearable. I received the email the other day that Herbert set me up to take delivery of the car in the Center of Excellence rather than the regular delivery center. Business Class to Frankfurt, ICE train to Stuttgart, the Cuban cigar shop, then off to the factory early on Tuesday. I am greatly looking forward to the trip.
I will post in a separate thread my EDP experience, pictures and other parts of the trip related to the car.
Tom
8 Days to Stuttgart
PS Someone will have to remind me how excited I was this week as I am moping around waiting for the car to be delivered to the dealer here in Clearwater by June (I hope).
I ordered 53R on my 2014 as I did not want the sport package. I half-expect that when I gt to the Center of Excellence on next Tuesday to see non-runflats on my car. I know the majority of the folks on here ordered the sport package when they got their 20 inch wheels. I figured MB may not have validated that combo (53R tire on the 20inch sport wheel). If that was the case, perhaps that is what they just did.
On another note, I wanted to say thanks to the folks on this forum. You have made this wait a little more bearable. I received the email the other day that Herbert set me up to take delivery of the car in the Center of Excellence rather than the regular delivery center. Business Class to Frankfurt, ICE train to Stuttgart, the Cuban cigar shop, then off to the factory early on Tuesday. I am greatly looking forward to the trip.
I will post in a separate thread my EDP experience, pictures and other parts of the trip related to the car.
Tom
8 Days to Stuttgart
PS Someone will have to remind me how excited I was this week as I am moping around waiting for the car to be delivered to the dealer here in Clearwater by June (I hope).
Last edited by TomS; 03-10-2014 at 12:40 PM. Reason: Typo - Change runflat to non-runflat
03-10-2014, 12:44 PM
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03-10-2014, 02:51 PM
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WOW..........
Mercedes just called me back and have APPROVED ME for a 20" NON RUNFLAT TIRE! I don't know what happened, but I had my old service adviser and my current call MBUSA and tell them they were really making a bad decision with fighting me on this. Here's the tire!!! I couldn't be happier. They are also giving me a free tire repair kit!
KRATOS - you should call Robin (Number above) and tell them to compensate you for your purchase! If they are doing it for me - they need to do this for everyone!
Mercedes just called me back and have APPROVED ME for a 20" NON RUNFLAT TIRE! I don't know what happened, but I had my old service adviser and my current call MBUSA and tell them they were really making a bad decision with fighting me on this. Here's the tire!!! I couldn't be happier. They are also giving me a free tire repair kit!
KRATOS - you should call Robin (Number above) and tell them to compensate you for your purchase! If they are doing it for me - they need to do this for everyone!
Btw, it was confirmed today that I will not be taking delivery in mid March. The new scheduled ETA for Baltimore is March 15 (it was suppose to be the 12th) So, It will not get to KC at least until the 20th. Darn! Does anyone here know why it takes so long to cross the ocean? That boggles my mind. Does it make a stop in the Eastern Provinces of Canada (like Nova Scotia) before heading to Baltimore? That's the only possible explanation I can come up with. The ship has been in the water since about February 25 I believe.
03-10-2014, 03:13 PM
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It's all the stops they make before the Baltimore port. I tracked my ship everyday with marinetraffic.com and knew exactly where it was all the time and could guess when it would port.
03-10-2014, 03:16 PM
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I feel like I am waiting to hear if OJ really did kill Nicole.... you know...since the ride of the car is killing my back.
03-10-2014, 03:18 PM
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Btw, it was confirmed today that I will not be taking delivery in mid March. The new scheduled ETA for Baltimore is March 15 (it was suppose to be the 12th) So, It will not get to KC at least until the 20th. Darn! Does anyone here know why it takes so long to cross the ocean? That boggles my mind. Does it make a stop in the Eastern Provinces of Canada (like Nova Scotia) before heading to Baltimore? That's the only possible explanation I can come up with. The ship has been in the water since about February 25 I believe.
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